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Offline nerdmann  
#76 Posted : Tuesday, September 3, 2013 11:10:59 PM(UTC)

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yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
He may have coached those 3 quarterbacks at one time or another but to say he developed them is BS.



Gannon was a career journeyman until Mike got ahold of him.
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#77 Posted : Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:27:47 AM(UTC)

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yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Your first sentence makes my point and Flynn drives my point home.
He wasn't developed well enough to find a starting job even with a team that is desperate to find a starting QB.



You mean a below average QB was made to look solid on the Packers playing under coach Mike McCarthy but doesn't look very good on an otherwise piss-poor team? Either that speaks to McCarthy's quarterback development skills or his coaching ability. Either way, it reflects well on McCarthy for being able to get the most out of the player. I don't see much negative for Mike McCarthy in the Flynn situation, at all. Quite the opposite, actually. You're reaching hard.
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#78 Posted : Wednesday, September 4, 2013 2:32:33 AM(UTC)

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yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
He may have coached those 3 quarterbacks at one time or another but to say he developed them is BS.



If I wanted to go the coached at one point route I would have added Brett Favre and Joe Montana.

Both Gannon and Hasselback have gone on record stating McCarthy was a very influential catalyst to their successful careers. I'd imagine Brooks would say the same as McCarthy was Brooks' coach his first 6 years (rookie year in Green Bay and 5 years in New Orleans).
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#79 Posted : Wednesday, September 4, 2013 3:39:38 AM(UTC)

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yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Your first sentence makes my point and Flynn drives my point home.
He wasn't developed well enough to find a starting job even with a team that is desperate to find a starting QB.



Developing QBs isn't about taking guys who have no talent and magically making them talented. It's about getting a QB to reach their potential. Did Brohm, Harrell, Flynn, or even Rodgers have more potential than they've showed with MM? I doesn't seem like it. Now if a bunch of QBs had sucked with Mike McCarthy and went to another coach/system and reached a higher potential I'd agree with you but I don't really see any example of that happening.
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#80 Posted : Wednesday, September 4, 2013 3:47:03 PM(UTC)

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Developing QBs isn't about taking guys who have no talent and magically making them talented. It's about getting a QB to reach their potential. Did Brohm, Harrell, Flynn, or even Rodgers have more potential than they've showed with MM? I doesn't seem like it. Now if a bunch of QBs had sucked with Mike McCarthy and went to another coach/system and reached a higher potential I'd agree with you but I don't really see any example of that happening.


You hit it right on the head. For a QB to make it in the NFL he has to have NFL caliber talent to begin with. He doesn't necessarily have to show it right away (that what development is for) but if he doesn't have it he probably isn't going to learn it. Whether you are talking about a high draft pick chosen as a franchise QB or a 7th round pick you hope to develop into a serviceable backup or perhaps even a starter and trade bait, no amount of development will bring out talent he doesn't have.

Take guys like Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell. Were they just victims of a bad situation who would have developed nicely under the right mentor. I don't think so. Most of these guys try a few different systems and they still fail and that tells me that while they were great in college their talent, for whatever reason, didn't translate into the pro game.


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#81 Posted : Wednesday, September 4, 2013 4:21:43 PM(UTC)

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K_Buz said: Go to Quoted Post
While that MAY be true, why is it that Mike McCarthy could mold Aaron Rodgers into a Hall Of Fame QB, he couldn't mold one of the other guys into a serviceable backup?

Remember who were Favre's backups?

Brunell
Hasselback
Rodgers



add ty detmer to the mix !!

and kurt warner was a cut in camp one year !!
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My wife and I met during the Seneca days at Iowa State. I am just glad we got the better of the two career backup Cyclones in the NFL. No Rosencopter please!!
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