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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:23:29 AM(UTC)
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Mike McCarthy discusses the Packers’ chances to achieve “greatness,” injuries that bedevil the team and if it should be considered physical.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:27:27 AM(UTC)
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i truly like him as a coach and really seems like a genuine good guy off the field !!
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I like him too - within a few limitations.

I never was as comfortable with Holmgren as coach as I am with McCarthy, and if I can indulge in some REAL heresy hahaha, I like McCarthy's overall style even better than Vince Lombardi - I speak as one old enough to remember the Lombardi Era.

Some might lament/compare today's toughness and D to Vince's. I recall, however, even back in the day, the Packers played a lot of "bend/don't break" defense. And yeah, there was the outstanding running game which has been lacking the last few McCarthy years, but Lombardi's Packers played more finesse football than gets remembered. The Heresy? I PREFER this throw-it-down-the-field Darryl Lamonica/Kenny Stabler type offense to either the predominantly run-oriented Lombardi way or the West Coast Offense Holmgren way. I say that both in terms of success and style. Of course, the huge stipulation is that not every team can get away with that type offense. The singular reason for the success is the ability of Aaron Rodgers.

So McCarthy should be confident in his approach, but he should also know on which side his bread is buttered (or whatever that old expression is). Take away Aaron Rodgers, and that McCarthy confidence is not worth much, especially when "bend/don't break" degenerates to "break/just not all the time".
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#4 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:32:18 AM(UTC)
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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
I like him too - within a few limitations.

I never was as comfortable with Holmgren as coach as I am with McCarthy, and if I can indulge in some REAL heresy hahaha, I like McCarthy's overall style even better than Vince Lombardi - I speak as one old enough to remember the Lombardi Era.

Some might lament/compare today's toughness and D to Vince's. I recall, however, even back in the day, the Packers played a lot of "bend/don't break" defense. And yeah, there was the outstanding running game which has been lacking the last few McCarthy years, but Lombardi's Packers played more finesse football than gets remembered. The Heresy? I PREFER this throw-it-down-the-field Darryl Lamonica/Kenny Stabler type offense to either the predominantly run-oriented Lombardi way or the West Coast Offense Holmgren way. I say that both in terms of success and style. Of course, the huge stipulation is that not every team can get away with that type offense. The singular reason for the success is the ability of Aaron Rodgers.

So McCarthy should be confident in his approach, but he should also know on which side his bread is buttered (or whatever that old expression is). Take away Aaron Rodgers, and that McCarthy confidence is not worth much, especially when "bend/don't break" degenerates to "break/just not all the time".


As one who is also old enough to remember the Lombardi era very well, it's hard to compare the styles of Lombardi and McCarthy due to the significant changes in rules and overall style of the NFL over the years.
Lombardi's teams were always much more physical on both offense and defense. You can say they played a finesse game and to some extent they did but they did it with a toughness that McCarthy's teams haven't shown to date.
Vince Lombardi always had his team show up prepared and ready to play. I have seen a number of big games in which McCarthy's teams have appeared unprepared and flat.
Both coaches had the balls to dare teams to stop what they do best. Lombardi dared teams to stop the vaunted "Green Bay sweep" and would run it mercilessly.
McCarthy dares teams to stop his vaunted passing game.
When teams have been able to stop either approach, I believe Lombardi was better at adjusting his game to overcome what the opponent was doing.

I believe your view is correct that if Aaron Rodgers is taken out of the equation McCarthy's approach is dead in the water; that is unless the Packers do develop an effective running game. Then perhaps Mike McCarthy will show us a better ability to make effective adjustments during a game.

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#5 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 9:58:54 AM(UTC)
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Agree on McCarthy v. Holmgren. Always thought the latter overrated. Ron Wolf, Reggie White, Brett Favre and Super Bowl XXXI. Letting the Broncos score in Super Bowl XXXII.

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