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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#1 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:06:59 PM(UTC)
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I can't type fast enough to chat, so I will put my accumulated thoughts here.

These were the two best teams in the NFL, and in a lot of ways, we out played 'em. The blown replay of 3rd down by the refs is a convenient excuse, but the turnovers and bonehead plays by Ross on the returns were the real keys. I would not be at all surprised to see Ross cut before next week.

I am a lot more optimistic about our front seven than I was before. Raji, Pickett, B. Jones, and Hawk, probably my four least favorite Packers, all played decent football. The safeties were disappointing, and Hyde didn't seem to do much.

The Packers O Line was hot and cold, mostly cold. After looking downright pathetic early, they seemed to wear down the Niners briefly. However, in the end, five of them couldn't even keep 3 pass rushers out long enough for a decent hail mary.

Some of McCarthy's strategy really pisses me off. Coming out and "establishing the run" - or rather trying and failing - just wasted a couple of series that Rodgers could have used. Then doing the same in the second half was like the definition of crazy - expecting a different outcome. Also, benching Lacy for the rest of the half instead of a play or two was an overreaction IMO.

All things considered, I am optimistic for the season - we shoulda beat the other best team in football at their house; The good things should only get better, and the mistakes shouldn't get repeated.

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#2 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:10:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Hyde didn't seem to do much.


I wish Jennings and Mcmillian wouldn't have seemed to do much but they were unfortunately involved in what seemed like 90% of the defensive plays.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:16:45 PM(UTC)
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This Dom Capers defense seems to always have someone open over the middle and no adjustments made to stop it. Remember the '09 Cardinals playoff game? That's what this reminded me of.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:23:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
This Dom Capers defense seems to always have someone open over the middle and no adjustments made to stop it. Remember the '09 Cardinals playoff game? That's what this reminded me of.


Yeah, but we should know by now Dom doesn't adjust well during the course of a game.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:34:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
This Dom Capers defense seems to always have someone open over the middle and no adjustments made to stop it. Remember the '09 Cardinals playoff game? That's what this reminded me of.


I still can't make up my mind about the Capers system. What you say is true, and whether that was a scheme problem or bad play by Jennings and McMillian, I don't know.

The key to me, though, is where would we be without the Capers crap? We just don't seem to have the personnel to go head to head, no scheming and scamming. I think if we were plain vanilla, we'd have no pass rush at all and very little run-stopping ability. And while more zone might seem to mean better coverage, with no pass rush, it wouldn't work.

If you need to scheme scam and scramble by necessity, it's inevitable that something is gonna be open, I guess. Capers just needs to keep 'em guessing and have the openings where they do the least harm.

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#6 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:36:31 PM(UTC)
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I hate making excuses but this san fran team is REALLY farging hard to defend. That being said. We are the team in transition still. We should technically be further behind them than we were. We will improve our running game and defense over the course of the year I have no doubt.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:43:54 PM(UTC)
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The safeties fucking suck.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:45:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
I can't type fast enough to chat, so I will put my accumulated thoughts here.

These were the two best teams in the NFL, and in a lot of ways, we out played 'em. The blown replay of 3rd down by the refs is a convenient excuse, but the turnovers and bonehead plays by Ross on the returns were the real keys. I would not be at all surprised to see Ross cut before next week.

I am a lot more optimistic about our front seven than I was before. Raji, Pickett, B. Jones, and Hawk, probably my four least favorite Packers, all played decent football. The safeties were disappointing, and Hyde didn't seem to do much.

The Packers O Line was hot and cold, mostly cold. After looking downright pathetic early, they seemed to wear down the Niners briefly. However, in the end, five of them couldn't even keep 3 pass rushers out long enough for a decent hail mary.

Some of McCarthy's strategy really pisses me off. Coming out and "establishing the run" - or rather trying and failing - just wasted a couple of series that Rodgers could have used. Then doing the same in the second half was like the definition of crazy - expecting a different outcome. Also, benching Lacy for the rest of the half instead of a play or two was an overreaction IMO.

All things considered, I am optimistic for the season - we shoulda beat the other best team in football at their house; The good things should only get better, and the mistakes shouldn't get repeated.

One more thought: 6 or 7 years ago - whatever it was, I am on record as saying take Davis, not Hawk.


What blown replay of the third down. Are you referring to the offsetting personal fouls that should have made it 4th instead of replaying 3rd? Also, if they had blown the whistle for delay like they should have Lacy's fumble never would have happened. I know though, the offense usually get about a half second benefit of the doubt. I've seen it that close a lot of times and it doesn't get called.

They ran the ball 17 times. Do you want them to pass on every single down? Lacy did better than Gore and he showed flashes of what I think we can expect. Against lesser defenses and late in the game if we can wear down the defense I think he will be gold.

I agree that the benching for the half was an overreaction. Hopefully he isn't as bad as Coughlin was last year when Wilson fumbled in game 1. He hardly played the rest of the year. At least Mike McCarthy went back to Lacy. I never understood it when you take your best option at the position out of the game for a single mistake. We will see if he reacts to Ross' mental errors in the return game the way he did to Lacy's fumble. I hope so.

I won't say we should have won but we certainly could have. We played well enough to win but so did the 49ers. We simply made too many mistakes and they capitalized on them. Hopefully the mental ones can be worked out quickly.

Overall I am disappointed of course. I'm extremely frustrated at our pass coverage and third down performance although we did make a few nice stands. I was impressed with the run D and the containment of Kaepernick.

Offensively I think we will be fine. We put up 28 against a damn good defense we just need to act rather than react (score first not score to match them ) but that is on the defense for letting them score in the first place.


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#9 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:48:24 PM(UTC)
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I agree that the benching for the half was an overreaction. Hopefully he isn't as bad as Coughlin was last year when Wilson fumbled in game 1. He hardly played the rest of the year.



The funniest part of this is Wilson just fumbled again. hauhauah
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#10 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:53:05 PM(UTC)
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The Packers once again shit themselves multiple times, and it cost them a game.

Two turnovers, one in the red zone. That in and of itself was enough to cost us this game.

The defense was left out on the field for 40 of the 60 minutes and did wear down in the end. They also left Boldin uncovered for most of the day, and occasionally Vern Davis too.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:55:13 PM(UTC)
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Couldn't watch the game until the end when the Arizona-St Louis game ended but read that Bush played over House on defense?
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#12 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:57:32 PM(UTC)
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Five 3 and outs is completely unacceptable.


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#13 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:58:24 PM(UTC)
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and turnovers. Which you cannot do against great teams.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:04:48 PM(UTC)
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Wow.

I am shocked by some of the negativity.

We played one of the best teams in the league and should have/could have won the game. Our own miscues lost the game (turnovers, offensive penalties, CM3's penalty, boneheaded returns from the end zone).

We had lousy field position all night, starting at/behind the 20 most of the evening. Our D did a good job stuffing the run, shutting down the read option, and containing Krapernick.

Yeah, the D left too many guys wide open down the middle of the field (and that's a consistent problem with Capers' defense--so I'm thinking that's a scheme issue), but even with that we almost beat the 49ers.

I was highly encouraged by the performance in the first game of the season--the penalties & boneheaded returns can be addressed.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:06:16 PM(UTC)
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Because it's more important to rack up stats than it is to keep the other team off the field, or rest your defense. If Kaepernick had 1/3 fewer plays, he'd only have had about 264 yards passing. I think we win.

We also saw what happened when the defense gets worn down in the 4th quarter.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:26:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
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Because it's more important to rack up stats than it is to keep the other team off the field, or rest your defense. If Kaepernick had 1/3 fewer plays, he'd only have had about 264 yards passing. I think we win.

We also saw what happened when the defense gets worn down in the 4th quarter.


considering whenever they tried to control the ball they turned it over on downs... Your obsession with it being about stats is just completely fucking stupid and old. You simply have no clue what you are talking about. The difference between the two offenses today was the 49ers had all day to sit in the pocket. Gb had a much smaller window to work with.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:31:03 PM(UTC)
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It was a perfect loss. I could not be more pleased.

Todays loss will result in a 14 -2 season.

Now.. If the Packers won big today.. It would have resulted in a 10 - 6 season.

The best thing that could have happened to this team is to lose on week one the way they did today.

Think about it, and think deep.







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#18 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:41:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RaiderPride Go to Quoted Post
It was a perfect loss. I could not be more pleased.

Todays loss will result in a 14 -2 season.

Now.. If the Packers won big today.. It would have resulted in a 10 - 6 season.

The best thing that could have happened to this team is to lose on week one the way they did today.

Think about it, and think deep.




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#19 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:18:00 PM(UTC)
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I wish they would of put Tramon on Bolden. Shields is fast and a good cover guy, but he's gonna get out toughed by players like him. We missed Burnett a lot today. We need guys who can cover TEs. Jennings and McMillian is simply to small to cover Davis. I really wanted some emphasis this offseason to really work on that safety position.. Obviously not focusing on that position is showing it's effects now.

I think the 49ers surely had the right idea to play us today. We wanted to play heavy run, and play tons of Zone. So Kaepernick couldn't run free. They played opposite of what we thought they would try to do. Recievers had free releases ALL day. Didn't even feel like we blitzed a lot today either. Honestly if he's gonna beat us with a 4 man rush. Why not send more guys and press the recievers more. We played them better than we did in the playoffs, but like I said they just went in another direction that we wanted to attack them with.

If we play them in the playoffs we need to get physical with their recievers or else we'll lose to them 4 times in a row. I think this might be the last year dom is our cordinater despite the results of this season.

I like how Lacy and Finley came back after their rough start in the beginning. Lacy just looks so much more dynamic than the backs we've had here in the past. Bakhtiari played pretty well and played the best he could against Smith(Aldon). I was really cringing on the 3 big runs that came back because of Holding calls.. Sheesh that is bad luck on that part. Aaron just played lights out... He is just so damn consistant year to year. Nelson and Cobb also just played lights out coming off of injuries. AMAZING CATCHS by both of them Especially Nelson's sideline catches. wow... Those guys caught everything that came their way. Absorbed big hits and still held onto the ball. I don't think this offense will miss a beat this season again.

The only question marks is our PASS defense and our special teams. Mainly returning kicks and punts. I'm not as concerned with our Offensive line surprisingly because it won't get worse than what we have. I believe Bakhitari and having Sitton on that side will be better than last years Newhouse and Lang Combo. I think we should try someone else on KR other than Ross. That or he needs to be a better decision maker in that endzone. Defiantly not as dynamic as Cobb is. Hell try Hyde back there. I thought we were using him in that role. Well punts, but I bet he'd do a decent job returning kicks.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:46:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
I wish they would of put Tramon on Bolden. Shields is fast and a good cover guy, but he's gonna get out toughed by players like him. We missed Burnett a lot today. We need guys who can cover TEs. Jennings and McMillian is simply to small to cover Davis. I really wanted some emphasis this offseason to really work on that safety position.. Obviously not focusing on that position is showing it's effects now.


And Tramon isn't going to get "out toughed" by Bolden?

Bolden beat them both at times today.
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#21 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:56:38 PM(UTC)
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And Tramon isn't going to get "out toughed" by Bolden?

Bolden beat them both at times today.


I guess you're right, he was all over the field. The matchups were a nightmare on our part though.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 8:02:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
What blown replay of the third down. Are you referring to the offsetting personal fouls that should have made it 4th instead of replaying 3rd? Also, if they had blown the whistle for delay like they should have Lacy's fumble never would have happened. I know though, the offense usually get about a half second benefit of the doubt. I've seen it that close a lot of times and it doesn't get called.

They ran the ball 17 times. Do you want them to pass on every single down? Lacy did better than Gore and he showed flashes of what I think we can expect. Against lesser defenses and late in the game if we can wear down the defense I think he will be gold.

I agree that the benching for the half was an overreaction. Hopefully he isn't as bad as Coughlin was last year when Wilson fumbled in game 1. He hardly played the rest of the year. At least Mike McCarthy went back to Lacy. I never understood it when you take your best option at the position out of the game for a single mistake. We will see if he reacts to Ross' mental errors in the return game the way he did to Lacy's fumble. I hope so.

I won't say we should have won but we certainly could have. We played well enough to win but so did the 49ers. We simply made too many mistakes and they capitalized on them. Hopefully the mental ones can be worked out quickly.

Overall I am disappointed of course. I'm extremely frustrated at our pass coverage and third down performance although we did make a few nice stands. I was impressed with the run D and the containment of Kaepernick.

Offensively I think we will be fine. We put up 28 against a damn good defense we just need to act rather than react (score first not score to match them ) but that is on the defense for letting them score in the first place.



Yeah, that's the "blown replay of third down" I meant; Was there another one hahaha?

I agree about Lacy's fumble. My impression at the time was it should have been blown dead because his forward progress was stopped (which I assume was what you were trying to say hahaha).

No, I don't want them to pass every time, but after the first two or three possessions, which were ruined by running into the line once or twice, they settled into playing the game that has been so successful the past few years - letting Rodgers pass on early downs, maybe setting up the run - which indeed happened for a brief stretch later. Then, they inexplicably started the second half with another wasted possession or two with the same crap of running it into the line. We just don't have an O Line capable of making that work, and the effect of trying it is to diminish the benefit of having an ALL WORLD QB.

Let Lacy get his carries, and try a few more screens and swing passes to him, but DON'T just run him into the fat asses of our defective O Linemen. Set it up with the pass, and get off this silly notion of running to set up the pass.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 8:06:26 PM(UTC)
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Kerry Rhodes is starting to look like a better option.

Also based on week 1 I wouldn't be surprised to see Neal challenge Perry for the starting spot down the line.

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#24 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 8:26:39 PM(UTC)
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Kerry Rhodes is starting to look like a better option.


That depends... does he want to play football? is he retired? Haven't heard anything out of him recently... is he looking for a football job?

Another guy that seem interested in playing football (though it'd cost a lot to get him) is Jairus Byrd, who who seems to want to be traded.

Though it's hard to see Ted Thompson coughing up draft picks and cash... a young play maker that possible could fix a big hole in the Packers defense might be interesting. Though already got enough guys that need to be resigned next year.

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#25 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 8:35:59 PM(UTC)
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That depends... does he want to play football? is he retired? Haven't heard anything out of him recently... is he looking for a football job?

Another guy that seem interested in playing football (though it'd cost a lot to get him) is Jairus Byrd, who who seems to want to be traded.

Though it's hard to see Ted Thompson coughing up draft picks and cash... a young play maker that possible could fix a big hole in the Packers defense might be interesting. Though already got enough guys that need to be resigned next year.



He's also injured and probably not even in football shape at this point. They also came out and said they weren't looking for a trade. That's a situation I wouldn't even worry about.
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