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Offline K_Buz  
#1 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:27:03 PM(UTC)
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After watching today's game, I have to wonder if how the preseason was handled this year had a big effect on the way the Packer's played today.

I saw a total team failure. Aikman really wanted us to believe that the Packer's D did a good job. The stats don't lie...400 yds passing and 31 pts. The offense turned the ball over twice and there were a bunch of 3 and outs. Ross should be given his pick slip.

The play calling...its what we come to expect from McCarthy. Plain, boring, predictable.

This year's team has the talent to make a run, but it's hard to overcome one of these failures we saw today, much less failures in all three/four aspects of the game.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:31:12 PM(UTC)
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The 49ers played their starters in preseason less than we did. Both sides of the ball have been in the same system now for several years and they shouldn't even need as many preseason reps as most other teams. I really doubt the rep count in preseason had anything at all to do with it.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:00:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
The 49ers played their starters in preseason less than we did. Both sides of the ball have been in the same system now for several years and they shouldn't even need as many preseason reps as most other teams. I really doubt the rep count in preseason had anything at all to do with it.


Mike never has his team ready to play 60 minutes. Maybe last year against Houston. But it's rare.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:05:01 PM(UTC)
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Mike never has his team ready to play 60 minutes. Maybe last year against Houston. But it's rare.


That must be why they don't win very much
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#5 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:46:20 PM(UTC)
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Missed the game but I wondered if the lack of time together in the preseason was a contributing factor.
trouble is if they play half a game in the pretend season and CM3, Aaron Rodgers or some of the other key players was injured we would all say that they needed to play less.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:59:48 PM(UTC)
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Cobb and Nelson didn't play in the fake games, and both of them looked good.

Our D, when it mattered most, couldn't stop the niners.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:15:32 PM(UTC)
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I don't think preseason was an issue, at all. The better team won, but it was close. McMillan and Jennings played a lot in the preseason, and they were both horrible. Nelson and Cobb did next to nothing, but were very good.

The Packers made a few too many mistakes, and they lost. If they could play a little better, they could very well win the game next time.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:28:53 PM(UTC)
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I think the biggest reasons for the bad day is injuries to Hayward and Burnett.

I was thinking with Hyde there, Hayward injury wouldn't hurt us too much... and for the most part I think I was right on that one.

BUT the Burnett injury killed the Packers.


I think McMillian has huge potential, but he SERIOUSLY struggles when he is asked to read the field instead of attacking or focusing on one guy. I feel like McMillian is a slot CB that's being asked to learn a new position. It's not just him, but at times he did seem lost.


M.D. Jennings surprised me. He didn't look too good but didn't look too bad either from what I saw. It'd be nice to get a true FS back there again...

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#9 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:47:16 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
I don't think preseason was an issue, at all. The better team won, but it was close. McMillan and Jennings played a lot in the preseason, and they were both horrible. Nelson and Cobb did next to nothing, but were very good.

The Packers made a few too many mistakes, and they lost. If they could play a little better, they could very well win the game next time.


I disagree about "the better team" winning. No doubt, the Niners are a very good team, and a lot more balanced/complete/whatever. I have said, these were the two best teams in the NFL. However, the Packers passing game i.e. Aaron Rodgers, is so good that it outweighs having a D that isn't nearly as good as the Niners, an O Line that may not be as good as anybody else, and whatever other weaknesses the Packers may have. If the Packers played the Niners ten times, the Packers would win 6 or 7.

The point about Nelson, Cobb, also Lacy and Rodgers, maybe even Tramon and Shields and Matthews playing good belies the whole idea of the thread title.

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#10 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:54:04 PM(UTC)
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I think the reason why they beat us through the air is because we didn't challenge their receivers. They just got open way to fast over the middle through that zone. We worried to much about Kap running we forgot about Bolden/Davis.

Preseason means nothing like other pointed out.

Rodgers, Nelson, Cobb, Matthews. Didn't play much in preseason games. And they came to play like usual. I think it shows the depth of positions on your team but it doesn't show who your team really is. You really don't know how good a team is until about week 6-8 of a season. Then you can really see how they go through adversity and who their identity is.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 8:38:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
That must be why they don't win very much


They win against inferior opponents, because Ted has stocked this team with talent.

With TWO turnovers and FIVE 3 and outs, do you think this team lived up to it's potential?

I don't.

I won't even count how many times Boldin was UNCOVERED. Or the amount of time Vernon Davis was uncovered.

But thanks for your contribution.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 8:40:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
I think the reason why they beat us through the air is because we didn't challenge their receivers. They just got open way to fast over the middle through that zone. We worried to much about Kap running we forgot about Bolden/Davis.

Preseason means nothing like other pointed out.

Rodgers, Nelson, Cobb, Matthews. Didn't play much in preseason games. And they came to play like usual. I think it shows the depth of positions on your team but it doesn't show who your team really is. You really don't know how good a team is until about week 6-8 of a season. Then you can really see how they go through adversity and who their identity is.


The reason the Niners beat us through the air was:

1: They had the ball twice as much as we did.

2: We didn't cover Boldin.

3: Sometimes we didn't cover Davis.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 9:21:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
The reason the Niners beat us through the air was:

1: They had the ball twice as much as we did.

2: We didn't cover Boldin.

3: Sometimes we didn't cover Davis.



Or basically, the Packers lost because the 49'ers outplayed them. Such insight.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, September 8, 2013 10:13:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
They win against inferior opponents, because Ted has stocked this team with talent.

With TWO turnovers and FIVE 3 and outs, do you think this team lived up to it's potential?

I don't.

I won't even count how many times Boldin was UNCOVERED. Or the amount of time Vernon Davis was uncovered.

But thanks for your contribution.


So what you expect them to be undefeated? They lost a close game to the most talented team on the schedule in their house, BFD. You can't go 13-3 without losing a few games and you can't lose a few games without having some shit you need to work on.
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#15 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 5:56:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
We worried to much about Kap running we forgot about Bolden/Davis.



Bingo. Such an emphasis was placed on stopping Kaepernick the runner that we forgot that he can throw the ball as well. Couple that with the poor coverage and you have a passing game massacre. The niners really played us up on that one. I'm guessing Harbaugh had that figured out as soon as he saw the schedule for this season. He made such a big deal out of it in the days leading up to the game that we outthunk ourselves.

On McCarthy's behalf though, he really didn't have a choice. Its like halftime adjustments. If your team is winning you don't have to adjust and when the other team does a lot of times you lose the second half. Harbaugh was winning (from the playoffs last season) so he had to do nothing. McCarthy was forced to adjust and he did. I think if the 49ers tried to run the same game they did in the playoffs last year we would have won this game. The thing is Harbaugh adjusted to our adjustment and beat us that way.

The preseason didn't matter.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#16 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 5:58:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
We worried to much about Kap running we forgot about Bolden/Davis.


Forgot or didn't have Casey Hayward and Morgan Burnett?
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#17 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 2:45:01 PM(UTC)
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Forgot or didn't have Casey Hayward and Morgan Burnett?


Fair point, but the guys on the field should have still been able to cover better than that. Especially for a team that supposedly has "good depth."


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#18 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 3:37:56 PM(UTC)
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They played without Crabtree and that other dude.
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#19 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 3:41:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
They played without Crabtree and that other dude.


They didn't practice all week expecting either of those guys to play.
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