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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 9:10:26 AM(UTC)
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Trailing 34-30 with 3:47 remaining on Sunday, Aaron Rodgers had a chance to lead a game-winning touchdown drive to help the Green Bay Packers escape with a victory in Cincinnati. With the stage set for a classic finish after a wild game, this should have been a legacy-growing moment for the player many believe is the best quarterback in the NFL, right?

Not so fast. The Packers are just 5-24 (.172) in games when Rodgers had the ball in the fourth quarter, trailing by 1-8 points. Five comebacks in 29 tries? Tony Romo, considered by some to be a choker, led five comeback wins in the 2012 season alone. Among active starters, only Cam Newton (2-16) has a worse record than Rodgers.

He has numerous passing records, both a regular-season and Super Bowl MVP, but this is the one area on the résumé that continues to be a sore spot for Rodgers. Sunday was one of his worst finishes yet.

This time, while the drive was long in plays (13), it ended at the Cincinnati 20 after Rodgers' pass was tipped on fourth-and-5. That was the third tipped ball of the drive, as the Packers' offense ended the game with two interceptions, a fumble returned for the go-ahead score, and this turnover on downs.

These close-game failures have been the hush-hush hallmark of coach Mike McCarthy's otherwise successful tenure as Packers head coach. While the blame should be distributed everywhere, why are we not looking at the quarterback more?
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#2 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 9:31:18 AM(UTC)
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Very seldom have I been happy with the play calling when the team needs to drive to win.

This last game, why did they not attempt anything over the middle? We had 2 TO and were not in any time crunch that would require short passes and getting OB.

Not very happy with playcalling and game plans most of the time? We almost never seem to have guys dragging across the middle of the field, like basically every other team. Especially when Finley is in. Run him up the seam like the play he got knocked out on, and trail a WR across under, there would be no LBers standing there.

It seems like or entire passing game as almost come to WR screens, Finley, Backshoulder on the sideline or scramble drill.

We don't even run the slants right anymore. Go back and watch Favre or SF and Rice. Those were all but unstoppable because the QB was under center, 1 step and throw, and if the DB's started jumping. Hello Mr. Slugo. Today with Rodgers being in shotgun, slants take longer to happen and defenders have more time, which is what happened on Rodgers first INT.

Aikman can try to blame Jones, but there was NO chance for him to run the route because the DB had position. Rodgers never should have thrown that ball.
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#3 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 9:36:56 AM(UTC)
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Apparently they were right about Rodgers.. he is short. Could have used a couple more inches on this throws at the end. Big Grin


This game unraveled well before the last drive.. his last pick should be talked about more than the teams inability to end it with the final drive. My opinion.
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#4 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 9:45:55 AM(UTC)
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Apparently they were right about Rodgers.. he is short. Could have used a couple more inches on this throws at the end. Big Grin


This game unraveled well before the last drive.. his last pick should be talked about more than the teams inability to end it with the final drive. My opinion.


Another play I will never figure out. Cobb is the last player who should be running that route. Had that been Jordy or Jones, there was a chance for them to at least break up the play because they both have the size to get up and knock the ball down if the DB happens to get position. All Cobb could do was make a tackle. It wasn't that Cobb was open and the defender made a play, he was never open and Rodgers threw the ball up.

Both INTs were on Rodgers shoulders.
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#5 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 10:10:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Another play I will never figure out. Cobb is the last player who should be running that route. Had that been Jordy or Jones, there was a chance for them to at least break up the play because they both have the size to get up and knock the ball down if the DB happens to get position. All Cobb could do was make a tackle. It wasn't that Cobb was open and the defender made a play, he was never open and Rodgers threw the ball up.

Both INTs were on Rodgers shoulders.


I disagreed with the first pick is on Rodgers.. so apparently does Jones. Thought I would throw that into the this thread.

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WR James Jones on Rodgers' two interceptions...

"The first interception was my fault. Hands down. I stopped on the route. I can never do that. I put the quarterback in a bad situation right there, giving him mixed reads. That was completely all me. I have a slant route. I have to cross the defender's face. I can't do that to the quarterback. That was my fault. Overall, we did not play well on offense. We've got to find a way to get it done and help our defense. Our defense played well."


Rodgers isn't prefect.. even though at times he may act like it, but I truly thought Jones quit on that route.
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#6 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 10:39:37 AM(UTC)
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I disagreed with the first pick is on Rodgers.. so apparently does Jones. Thought I would throw that into the this thread.



Rodgers isn't prefect.. even though at times he may act like it, but I truly thought Jones quit on that route.


When I watch the replay, the defender had position on the route before Rodgers ever through the ball. Jones might have been able to play defender and break the pass up, but it never should have been thrown.

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He should have dumped the ball to the back, or waited until Cobb cleared the LBer.
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#7 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 10:44:14 AM(UTC)
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or threw it to the RB in the flat there and let let him fight for the first down.

I rather the Packers attack first downs than getting greedy so much. But then I'm also one of the people who says stay on the gas and put the game away.

If the RB wasn't there, I'd be okay with this being Jones fault. Since there's someone wide open and could most likely get the first down if the WR on the edge blocks... I think this is on Rodgers decision making.
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#8 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 10:56:25 AM(UTC)
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I'm not defending Rodgers bad game, at all. But I find the whole "QB winning drive" to be a laughable thing. Football is a team sport...all the way up until that game winning drive? Please.

Sure, maybe Rodgers should have realized that the defensive lineman were swatting a lot and gave a pump fake or something...but maybe the tackles should have done their jobs correctly and cut the lineman too.

The interceptions- Rodgers fault.

Not coming back to win the game- the entire offenses fault.
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#9 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 11:30:34 AM(UTC)
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All f'in off season McCarthy said we are going to run the ball. Franklin was tearing it up and McCarthy wasn't giving him the ball. McCarthy can't have some boring balanced drive he's gotta go for the home run ball. This team is full of talent so don't see them missing the playoffs.
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#10 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 12:35:44 PM(UTC)
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Rodgers played pretty bad all game. I don't know why we're getting on him for not winning the game when the Bengals Defense had momentum stopping him throughout the game. Idc what the stats say. Could any other qb win that game with the Bengals D covering every single receiver and knocking down passes left and right with no solid protection?
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#11 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 1:02:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers played pretty bad all game. I don't know why we're getting on him for not winning the game when the Bengals Defense had momentum stopping him throughout the game. Idc what the stats say. Could any other qb win that game with the Bengals D covering every single receiver and knocking down passes left and right with no solid protection?



That is a good point. Everyone blames the Packers offense and Rodgers but they forget that the defense gets paid to do what they do as well. I think a lot of it goes back on the fact that people feel better about the loss if they can claim our offense didn't get the job done as opposed to their defense did get the job done. It's our fault we lost, we didn't get beat.

We got beat by the 49ers and now we got beat by the Bengals.
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#12 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 1:41:45 PM(UTC)
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Rodgers did not play well but if there is a positive that can come from it I would venture to say he will not allow it to happen again. Just his personality. He will take this performance to heart.

Over the balance of 16 games I am not worried about Arod.

I am worried about how our defense has a tendency to coast when we get a lead. There is this thing called momentum and I don't think some of the younger guys get it.

The pass D lapsed for awhile against the Redskins and then again this week. Yeah, we were killing the Redskins but it still happened. Once the Bengals D saw the O starting to move they became even more motivated and they had already done a pretty damn good job given the field position they were often left with.

In '10 there were games when the offense struggled but the D was there to make sure we walked off with a W. THIS week should have been a W. If our D had played as hard for 60 minutes as the Bengals D it would have been one.

I will be glad to see Burnett and Hayward back. We need them.
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#13 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 3:18:17 PM(UTC)
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He was up and down but so was the team. We have to deal with the fact that right now we are not the best team in our division. Swallowing pride time I guess. In any case, I will give the Bengals D credit again, but in that last drive, I assume it is easy when the other team doesn't have a running back available... at all. The worst thing to be is predictable. No running back? You won't beat a great team missing an integral part of an offense like that.
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#14 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 3:27:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
That is a good point. Everyone blames the Packers offense and Rodgers but they forget that the defense gets paid to do what they do as well. I think a lot of it goes back on the fact that people feel better about the loss if they can claim our offense didn't get the job done as opposed to their defense did get the job done. It's our fault we lost, we didn't get beat.

We got beat by the 49ers and now we got beat by the Bengals.


Here's how they did it: Taking an illegal shot to Finley's head.

How do we defend that?
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#15 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 8:48:10 PM(UTC)
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Here's how they did it: Taking an illegal shot to Finley's head.

How do we defend that?



Let me guess, it was bullshit and we shit ourselves.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:48:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
Let me guess, it was bullsh!t and we sh!t ourselves.


We shit ourselves repeatedly to be sure.

But the illegal hit on Finley's head went uncalled, and that cannot continue.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:06:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
or threw it to the RB in the flat there and let let him fight for the first down.

I rather the Packers attack first downs than getting greedy so much. But then I'm also one of the people who says stay on the gas and put the game away.

If the RB wasn't there, I'd be okay with this being Jones fault. Since there's someone wide open and could most likely get the first down if the WR on the edge blocks... I think this is on Rodgers decision making.


The RB just doesn't look that open to me. I see a LB within range that would very likely close and lay the wood right as the RB caught the ball, if he caught it at all. I wouldn't expect that option to get a first down. Sure, the defender could miss, but Jones could have also had better position and caught the ball, but that didn't happen either. Overall, just a bad offensive play/good defensive play.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:09:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
We sh!t ourselves repeatedly to be sure.

But the illegal hit on Finley's head went uncalled, and that cannot continue.


We see things very differently then as I didn't see anything wrong with the hit on Finley.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:29:18 PM(UTC)
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We see things very differently then as I didn't see anything wrong with the hit on Finley.


Even Pereira mentioned it. Defenseless player.

Three shots to the head in a row, uncalled. Lacy, Starks and Finley. Finally they did one against JJ iirc and it got called.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:49:57 PM(UTC)
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We see things very differently then as I didn't see anything wrong with the hit on Finley.


You mean other than it being against the rules? You can't hit a receiver who is catching a pass in the head. It's as simple as that. The defender didn't hit Finley anywhere BUT his head.
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:52:43 PM(UTC)
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We see things very differently then as I didn't see anything wrong with the hit on Finley.


I don't think it was an intentional hit, but it was illegal by rule.

Cannot hit the head or neck area of a defenseless player with helment, shoulder or forearm.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:30:10 PM(UTC)
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People seem to forget how good the Bengal defense is, they haven't given up 300 yards passing in 17 straight games
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:21:54 AM(UTC)
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People seem to forget how good the Bengal defense is, they haven't given up 300 yards passing in 17 straight games


hey dhazer havnt seen you post in awhile ... welcome back (or maybe Ive missed em).

ya that was a wacky game ... 0-14 ..... 30-14 ..... ends with 30-34 .... I mean come on.

I dont think we should feel so bad - the niners touted as the second coming this season have the same record as us. I mean seriously we heard more about them then the ravens whom won the superbowl.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:50:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
You mean other than it being against the rules? You can't hit a receiver who is catching a pass in the head. It's as simple as that. The defender didn't hit Finley anywhere BUT his head.


The ONLY other option would have been for him not to hit him at all them because they were going straight for each other. I can see the illegality in light of the defenseless receiver rule but I still don't think it was a bad hit. He didn't dive at him and he didn't lead with his helmet. He was leading with his shoulder (isn't that the way tackles are supposed to be made) and his shoulder hit Finley in the helmet. It was an illegal hit by definition of the rules but I don't think it was intentional and I don't think it was worthy of a fine. Yes it should have drawn a penalty because it was against the rules but it wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

This is exactly the kind of play that so many Packers fans who are bitching about it now would be defending it as perfectly fine if the roles were reversed. Not saying anyone here in particular but a lot of them would be and you know it.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:00:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
The ONLY other option would have been for him not to hit him at all them because they were going straight for each other. I can see the illegality in light of the defenseless receiver rule but I still don't think it was a bad hit. He didn't dive at him and he didn't lead with his helmet. He was leading with his shoulder (isn't that the way tackles are supposed to be made) and his shoulder hit Finley in the helmet. It was an illegal hit by definition of the rules but I don't think it was intentional and I don't think it was worthy of a fine. Yes it should have drawn a penalty because it was against the rules but it wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

This is exactly the kind of play that so many Packers fans who are bitching about it now would be defending it as perfectly fine if the roles were reversed. Not saying anyone here in particular but a lot of them would be and you know it.


I don't know it was a weird looking hit. Like he was just running by and his shoulder happened to hit Finley in the helmet. I think he just took a bad angle or something and didn't make contact where he wanted to. If he took a better angle he could have smashed Finley legally and it would have been a great hit but it didn't work out that way. I think his fine was less than is usual for those hits so they took some of that into account. I don't think anyone has said it was an intentional hit though so I don't know where that is coming from.
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