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Offline mi_keys  
#16 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 11:15:38 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
I think we were one of the worst in the league last year. We need to beat a team on sunday who I think is the best against 3rd downs.


While I largely agree with your premise; 3rd down conversions are very important, far more so than time of possession. You recall incorrectly on the above. The Packers were 9th in 3rd down conversion last year.

Unless of course you were referring to our defensive rank. We were 20th defensively in third down conversions last year.

In 2011, we were 3rd offensively and 27th defensively. In 2010, we were 8th offensively and 9th defensively.

At the end of the day, our defense needs to do better getting off the field on third down; and, in fairness, they have done a better job since the 49ers game.

The other key, as buckeye points out, is turnovers. Our offense (and special teams) needs to cut out the historically uncharacteristic turnovers.

If we do those two things, we can lose time of possession all day and destroy teams anyway.

source: http://www.sportingchart...rd-down-efficiency/2012/

http://www.teamrankings....sion-pct?date=2012-02-05
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#17 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:57:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
So The Packers are using a run and shoot deep passing strategy to move the ball down the field ?

Do you realize that Aaron Rodgers has thrown for 1057 yds this year, of that 510 are YAC.

That's 48.25% of Aarons yardage is YAC

Again are the receivers suppose to fall down when they catch the ball so the drive may or may not be extended?

Sorry to blow your run and shoot theory out of the water, but you make it to damn easy.

http://www.sportingchart...ds-after-the-catch/2013/

BTW Packers were leading in the 4th quarter at San Fran when Eddy Lacy fumbled and gave them good field position, and we've already discussed how The Packers 2 2nd half turnovers cost them the Bengals game.

Packers are -2 in turnover ratio for the year, their record reflects that at 1-2.


No one's saying turnovers don't hurt.

What I'm saying is, clock should have run out by the time those other teams got them.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 4:07:21 PM(UTC)
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Yeah the clock should have run out vs the 49ers before the Packers would have had a chance to take the lead in the 4th. That would have helped.
Offline DoddPower  
#19 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 11:14:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
The defense clearly wore down against the Niners.



Then what was the problem at the beginning of the game when they weren't stopping them either?

I don't think it had nearly as much to do with being "wore down" as it was being outplayed. Regardless of how tired they were, it's still the defenses job to get off the field. The offense shouldn't have to compensate for the defense. If the Packers defense was actually good or better, they could compensate more often for the offense. Far too often in the past few years, it's been the offense picking up the defenses slack.

NFL players should be in good enough shape to play well for a football game. As long as the offense is scoring ~30 points most games, the Packers should win a lot of games. I would take an offense that puts up a lot of points quickly over one that has some longer drives, but only scores a few field goals. Besides, it's not like the Packers only throw deep, anyway. If a receiver turns a short pass into a long touch down, that's a good thing. As others have said, should Cobb et al. fall down just to extend the drive? Of course not. Yet another silly argument.

Score touchdowns whenever possible, however possible. The rest is up to the defense. Of course they (the defense) could score some points too, if, they'd like to get off the field to rest.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 11:51:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
Then what was the problem at the beginning of the game when they weren't stopping them either?

I don't think it had nearly as much to do with being "wore down" as it was being outplayed. Regardless of how tired they were, it's still the defenses job to get off the field. The offense shouldn't have to compensate for the defense. If the Packers defense was actually good or better, they could compensate more often for the offense. Far too often in the past few years, it's been the offense picking up the defenses slack.

NFL players should be in good enough shape to play well for a football game. As long as the offense is scoring ~30 points most games, the Packers should win a lot of games. I would take an offense that puts up a lot of points quickly over one that has some longer drives, but only scores a few field goals. Besides, it's not like the Packers only throw deep, anyway. If a receiver turns a short pass into a long touch down, that's a good thing. As others have said, should Cobb et al. fall down just to extend the drive? Of course not. Yet another silly argument.

Score touchdowns whenever possible, however possible. The rest is up to the defense. Of course they (the defense) could score some points too, if, they'd like to get off the field to rest.


The defense was without Burnett and Hayward. Was Tramon playing? I forget. But we had guys out in the secondary.

Meanwhile the front 7 were focused on preventing Kaepernick from running, forcing him to throw.

This was a very good plan, imo and is in fact what I wanted them to do. The problem was that their WRs kept getting open. Boldin is a very good player. He's gonna beat backups.

This is why you try to help your defense out in that situation. If it was the offense that was depleted, you might ask your defense to step up and make some plays. But in this situation, the d was reeling from injuries. So give them some help, and maybe we win that game.
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