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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Friday, October 4, 2013 8:52:14 PM(UTC)
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Through three games, there’s been less B.J. Raji. He hasn’t been featured as a pass rusher, giving way to Mike Daniels, Datone Jones and Mike Neal. The Packers, for now, have significantly reduced Raji’s snaps.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 5:58:52 AM(UTC)
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B.J. believes he is "one of the best in the league".
Who am I to argue but I disagree. He looks incredibly average for the 9th pick in the draft.
I am happy that he is taking a team first approach, at least publicly, however.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 8:23:06 AM(UTC)
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BJ Raji is incredibly talented for a big man. Unfortunately for the Packers, BJ Raji is incredibly lazy. I would be very surprised to see him in Green Bay next year, when Daniels and Jolly are giving the kind of effort they have been. Sign Shields, Jolly, and Greasy Pickett instead for the same money.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:54:42 PM(UTC)
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The way I look at it, they've over-utilized him in the past.

If they're decreasing his snap count, then maybe that means we have enough of a rotation to go around, and his snaps are going back to normal.

Raji is a better player when we're not wearing him down. And btw, he's more of a penetrator than a run stuffer like Pickett.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 3:55:48 PM(UTC)
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a big guy like him needs to stay fresh, and we have depth, so nothing wrong with a few snaps in then rest a little !!
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#6 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 4:57:38 PM(UTC)
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Someone once asked, "what did you expect of him? another Warren Sapp?" Well, yes, I expected every bit of that and more when he was drafted.

He's a long term disappointment - a mediocre player commanding a star-quality salary. I REALLY hope they don't pay him that. If someone else does, at least we get a decent compensatory pick for him.

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#7 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 9:03:59 PM(UTC)
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Raji makes me mad because he has shown flashes of greatness but he just gets pushed around so much that overall he hasnt really been much more than an average player. There hasnt been a noticeable drop off between when hes in the game and when any replacement is in there imo. I hope they dont spend much if they re sign him. He might be one of those guys you are better off letting hit the market for a bit and see what other teams think of him
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#8 Posted : Saturday, October 5, 2013 11:42:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Someone once asked, "what did you expect of him? another Warren Sapp?" Well, yes, I expected every bit of that and more when he was drafted.

He's a long term disappointment - a mediocre player commanding a star-quality salary. I REALLY hope they don't pay him that. If someone else does, at least we get a decent compensatory pick for him.



Warren Sapp is grotesquely overrated.

Glorified version of Chris Hovan.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 5:11:31 AM(UTC)
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Warren Sapp is grotesquely overrated.

Glorified version of Chris Hovan.


I guess he made it to the Hall of fame my fooling everyone. I don't exactly care for the guy but it is just a little difficult to "overrate" a HoFer. What more can he do to to be worthy in nermannland cure cancer, end poverty and balance the budget?

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#10 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 6:13:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I guess he made it to the Hall of fame my fooling everyone. I don't exactly care for the guy but it is just a little difficult to "overrate" a HoFer. What more can he do to to be worthy in nermannland cure cancer, end poverty and balance the budget?



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Never liked the Sapp much, but did enjoy him and Brett going at it, players like him, imho, kept Brett interested in the game.

Looks like Raji is becoming the next AJ Hawk, no matter how he plays, he will always be expected to do more because of where he was drafted.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 6:52:38 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post


Looks like Raji is becoming the next AJ Hawk, no matter how he plays, he will always be expected to do more because of where he was drafted.


You got that right on both counts.

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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#12 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 7:21:35 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
You got that right on both counts.



You're damn right I'm right and am glad that I am on the other side,

You're one who will always be whining about how there is something better out there.

Long before you ever showed up there was several articles stating The Packers were trying to reduce the playing time of their d-lineman and lbr's, because they realized they were getting worn down by the end of the year.

Because of injuries they haven't been able to do that the past couple of years.

This year they have the depth to rest their starters, and I for one am glad of that.

Like it or not, Raji and Hawk, have a ring just like the other so-called 'superstars" of the team.

They both were a big part of that 2010 season.

The Packers happen to go on and win another ring this year, they will once again be a part of the reason why.

Championship aren't won by having a few "superstar" players on the roster, they are won by putting together a solid surrounding cast to make those so called "superstars" shine.

Just keep whining about "expectations" of the starters on the roster, every time you do you show your football ignorance.

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Offline Tezzy  
#13 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 8:00:56 AM(UTC)
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I thought last season was a step in the right direction for Raji. And week one against San Francisco was what I hoped we would get out of Raji every week. Last two weeks he has dropped off the cliff in terms of production on the stat sheet. Right now, PFF has 30, that's right, 3...0..., 3-4 DEs rated better than Raji at this point in the season.

My expectations aren't about where a player is drafted, but how he is compensated by the organization. Right now Ted Thompson is winning on his strategy of letting Raji set his market value. I like Raji as a piece of the puzzle, but realistic about his low ceiling as a dominant 3-4 DE.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 8:23:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I guess he made it to the Hall of fame my fooling everyone. I don't exactly care for the guy but it is just a little difficult to "overrate" a HoFer. What more can he do to to be worthy in nermannland cure cancer, end poverty and balance the budget?



Sapp ran his mouth for the cameras, and took advantage of being on an otherwise all time great defense.

As for cancer, if you get it, come see me.

As for the budget, it's a meaningless "planning" document. A list of stuff that costs money. If I have a million dollar in the bank, I can still "budget" myself to $10,000.00. Then when I hit $10,001.00, I can say, "I'M OVER BUDGET!" Does that mean there's no more money? No.

The REAL set of books is the COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT. But no one ever talks about that. Includes also revenue generating ventures. There are over 35,000 state and local municipalities in this country. They all have two sets of books. They all only ever talk about one.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:07:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Sapp ran his mouth for the cameras, and took advantage of being on an otherwise all time great defense.

As for cancer, if you get it, come see me.

As for the budget, it's a meaningless "planning" document. A list of stuff that costs money. If I have a million dollar in the bank, I can still "budget" myself to $10,000.00. Then when I hit $10,001.00, I can say, "I'M OVER BUDGET!" Does that mean there's no more money? No.

The REAL set of books is the COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT. But no one ever talks about that. Includes also revenue generating ventures. There are over 35,000 state and local municipalities in this country. They all have two sets of books. They all only ever talk about one.


????????
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#16 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:48:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Sapp ran his mouth for the cameras, and took advantage of being on an otherwise all time great defense.

As for cancer, if you get it, come see me.

As for the budget, it's a meaningless "planning" document. A list of stuff that costs money. If I have a million dollar in the bank, I can still "budget" myself to $10,000.00. Then when I hit $10,001.00, I can say, "I'M OVER BUDGET!" Does that mean there's no more money? No.

The REAL set of books is the COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT. But no one ever talks about that. Includes also revenue generating ventures. There are over 35,000 state and local municipalities in this country. They all have two sets of books. They all only ever talk about one.


Nerdmann...Now you can cure cancer??
As for Raji if he is happy with his reduced role... i hope he is happy with his reduced contract.
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Offline DakotaT  
#17 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:51:45 AM(UTC)
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Warren Sapp a blowhard, yes; a questionably dirty player, ask Clifton and Jerry Rice; but the guy was an incredible defensive tackle. If I were to compare him to a Viking tackle, it wouldn't be Chrissy Hovan, it would be John Randle.

As for Raji, I really would like to see some more tackles for loss and sacks and not get pushed around by less talented offensive lineman. I have the same opinion of Raji as Texas, he's been a disappointment, except for the second half of the 2010 season.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:53:11 AM(UTC)
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B.J. Raji has played more snaps (115) than any other DL on the Packers this season.

Ryan Pickett is second with 95 snaps and Johnny Jolly is third with 78.


People seem to forget that the DL in a 3 - 4 is not glorified. They are supposed to be big powerful men who eat up blockers. How are you gauging this when blasting Raji? I'm interested.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 1:13:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gotarace Go to Quoted Post
Nerdmann...Now you can cure cancer??
As for Raji if he is happy with his reduced role... i hope he is happy with his reduced contract.


No.

The word "cure" can only be legally used to refer to successful treatments based on drugs or therapy.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 1:44:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gotarace Go to Quoted Post
Nerdmann...Now you can cure cancer??
As for Raji if he is happy with his reduced role... i hope he is happy with his reduced contract.


I could not have said it any better so I won't.
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#21 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 2:12:40 PM(UTC)
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I could not have said it any better so I won't.


Raji's job isn't to rack of stats. It's to take up blockers.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 3:28:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Raji's job isn't to rack of stats. It's to take up blockers.


And how much is that worth?
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#23 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2013 3:59:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Prepare for a 3 page argument of why YOU ARE WRONG and he is right!!!

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Never liked the Sapp much, but did enjoy him and Brett going at it, players like him, imho, kept Brett interested in the game.

Looks like Raji is becoming the next AJ Hawk, no matter how he plays, he will always be expected to do more because of where he was drafted.


Yeah I expected more. Much more. nerd rambled on as usual. Complained that Sapp likes the mic and standing in front of the camera which is absolutely shocking. Never has a professional athlete done that before. That certainly reduces a players on field abilities.

said he (nerdmann) is the answer to cancer and babbled about the budget- Both non issues

but never explained how a HoFer can be considered over rated which was the real meat of my post. Oops I guess he had no answer so he blew smoke yet again.
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