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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 8, 2013 6:09:56 PM(UTC)

LombardiAve said:
A.J. Hawk is one of the most well-known members of the Green Bay Packers in the NFL today. He is admired for his hard-nosed, physical style of play, a style that is missing in the current Packers' defense. Sure he records a solid number of tackles per game, as he should playing the most
go.pack.go.  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 8, 2013 6:48:11 PM(UTC)

I agree that he was not worthy of the 5th overall pick. However, I do really like Hawk. He's a great person and like the article says, he plays nasty and I like that. You can always count him to be there every Sunday, and he seems like a good leader on the defensive side of the ball. I wouldn't like to see the Packers part ways with him, especially since we have nobody that could replace him.
buckeyepackfan  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 8, 2013 7:04:38 PM(UTC)

Good to see there are other Packer fans who actually "GET IT"

Article comments.

WyomingPackerBacker
Stick with him -- slow and steady beats a flash in the pan.


Gbfan2196
Hawk was worth the pick no doubt I for one would rather have a steady player who dosent ever get sidelined because injury then a player who is above good but then gets hurt then you have to put in someone a whole lot worse. Ted Thompson likes hawk because he does what they ask him to do Ted Thompson even said he was worth it. I hate how some people only look at statistics when talking about players.

Geno
BTW Dan. Despite the claims in your bio you are not an "inspiring" writer, you are an "aspiring" writer. You may or may not be able to put together a sentence, we will leave that to your 5th grade English teacher to decide . Based on the above drivel we know you are not a sports writer. Try again Junior.

ray zuniga
what a dumb prick??????????????? not nfl caliber yoru not writer material jack ass?? how is the most consistent player on the team not nfl caliber??? is stood by while bishop was behind barnet, dont you think with your small brain that the team people who manage the team you know the pros would have said man this guy sucks lets put bishop in and not have this "not nfl caliber player" on field?? jump off a bridge.jackass.. and yea hes not the best has flaws but this is clown bullshit right here


Zach Savage
He was worth the pick. First 3 years if you had to do the draft over he would have been the number 1 pick. Long term he has not panned out to be great. He's slow and seems weak. But we could be a lot worse off and we have nobody to replace him with in 8 years.


Starr57
Really Dan?
Tired of all The "Hawk haters".
Led the team or in top 3 in tackles his 1st 3 years.
Played through injuries in 2009 that would have shelved most other guys. Never missing a start.
Then in 2010 when lbr's started dropping like flies, who stepped up, taking over for a once again injured Nick Barnette , playing alongside a bunch of no-name lbr's, qbing the defense, keeping them together until the so called "SUPERSTAR" could return.
Let's fast forward to now, once again, Hawk will be playing alongside, raw, but hopefully talented lbr's for at least a month, maybe longer. Who knows who the starting lbr's will be the next few weeks.
I for one am glad that odds are A.J. Hawk will be there anchoring the middle, calling the plays, making sure the young guys know their responsibilities.
In retrospect, I wish Ted Thompson would have never drafteD A.J. Hawk, tired of writers and fans alike who can't appreciate a true Professional!!!!
The importance of a player doesn't always show up in "stats".
THIS IS NOT FANTASY FOOTBALL!!!!
Worth the pick and every dollar he has earned in the NFL!!!

tech4hire
Geesh...you "journalist" have nothing better to do than pick on AJ Hawk. If he is so bad, why is he still starting and calling the signals for the defense? Fortunately for the Packers, clowns like you are not in charge because you complain about the steady players and would have the Packers get rid of them all. Hawk was drafted because he is a "football guy" according to TT. True, he isn't flashy but he is the consumate professional according to his coaches. He is hard nosed like many of the Packers who have gone before him. If the entire defense was as hard nosed, we would have the best defense in the league. Lay off Hawk and go back to covering dog shows or some other bit of tripe.

Geno
Dumb kid. Ever watched a Packer game? Hawk reminds me of Nitschke every time he plays. Got his nose in the middle of the action. Busting his hump and the guys he plays against. Steady player you don't have to worry about. Clearly you know more than TT. Dope!
Porforis  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 8, 2013 7:44:09 PM(UTC)

You can't have a superstar at every position. Not worth the pick but reliable, consistent, and a known quantity. And not in the way Jarrett Bush was pre-2009.
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sschind  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:50:32 PM(UTC)

I've said it before and I'll say it again. A.J. Hawk is a victim of his draft pick status. If the Packers were getting Hawk production out of a late round pick people would be calling him a steal. Well, It's time to forget about A.J Hawk the former #5 pick over all. It's been 8 years, it does not make one bit of difference if he was #5 or Mr. irrelevant. All that matters is how he is producing. If you don't think Hawk is a starting caliber NFL linebacker based on his play then fine, you can have that opinion and make that argument but if you don't think he is a starting caliber NFL linebacker because he was the #5 pick over all and he hasn't lived up to that lofty draft status you are an idiot.

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wpr
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 3:12:49 AM(UTC)

I say it's completely fair to compare Hawk to what we coulda and shoulda got with the 5th pick in the draft - NOT to what some low round pick did or could do, many of which have actually out-performed Hawk anyway. I'm on record as favoring Vernon Davis instead of Hawk - the big controversy at the time he was drafted, and even though Davis has been kind of up and down, I'd still take his career over Hawk. Furthermore, if we hadn't gotten Hawk, there's a strong chance we would have somebody a LOT better in that position now.
Zero2Cool  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:04:53 AM(UTC)

Say what you want about A.J. Hawk but consider this.

Nick Barnett
Desmond Bishop
D.J. Smith
Brad Jones
Robert Francois
etc ...


the mainstay has been Hawk. His counter part is always getting hurt.
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wpr  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 5:24:39 AM(UTC)

buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Good to see there are other Packer fans who actually "GET IT"

Article comments.

WyomingPackerBacker
Stick with him -- slow and steady beats a flash in the pan.


Gbfan2196
Hawk was worth the pick no doubt I for one would rather have a steady player who dosent ever get sidelined because injury then a player who is above good but then gets hurt then you have to put in someone a whole lot worse. Ted Thompson likes hawk because he does what they ask him to do Ted Thompson even said he was worth it. I hate how some people only look at statistics when talking about players.

Geno
BTW Dan. Despite the claims in your bio you are not an "inspiring" writer, you are an "aspiring" writer. You may or may not be able to put together a sentence, we will leave that to your 5th grade English teacher to decide . Based on the above drivel we know you are not a sports writer. Try again Junior.

ray zuniga
what a dumb prick??????????????? not nfl caliber yoru not writer material jack ass?? how is the most consistent player on the team not nfl caliber??? is stood by while bishop was behind barnet, dont you think with your small brain that the team people who manage the team you know the pros would have said man this guy sucks lets put bishop in and not have this "not nfl caliber player" on field?? jump off a bridge.jackass.. and yea hes not the best has flaws but this is clown bullsh!t right here


Zach Savage
He was worth the pick. First 3 years if you had to do the draft over he would have been the number 1 pick. Long term he has not panned out to be great. He's slow and seems weak. But we could be a lot worse off and we have nobody to replace him with in 8 years.


Starr57
Really Dan?
Tired of all The "Hawk haters".
Led the team or in top 3 in tackles his 1st 3 years.
Played through injuries in 2009 that would have shelved most other guys. Never missing a start.
Then in 2010 when lbr's started dropping like flies, who stepped up, taking over for a once again injured Nick Barnette , playing alongside a bunch of no-name lbr's, qbing the defense, keeping them together until the so called "SUPERSTAR" could return.
Let's fast forward to now, once again, Hawk will be playing alongside, raw, but hopefully talented lbr's for at least a month, maybe longer. Who knows who the starting lbr's will be the next few weeks.
I for one am glad that odds are A.J. Hawk will be there anchoring the middle, calling the plays, making sure the young guys know their responsibilities.
In retrospect, I wish Ted Thompson would have never drafteD A.J. Hawk, tired of writers and fans alike who can't appreciate a true Professional!!!!
The importance of a player doesn't always show up in "stats".
THIS IS NOT FANTASY FOOTBALL!!!!
Worth the pick and every dollar he has earned in the NFL!!!

tech4hire
Geesh...you "journalist" have nothing better to do than pick on AJ Hawk. If he is so bad, why is he still starting and calling the signals for the defense? Fortunately for the Packers, clowns like you are not in charge because you complain about the steady players and would have the Packers get rid of them all. Hawk was drafted because he is a "football guy" according to TT. True, he isn't flashy but he is the consumate professional according to his coaches. He is hard nosed like many of the Packers who have gone before him. If the entire defense was as hard nosed, we would have the best defense in the league. Lay off Hawk and go back to covering dog shows or some other bit of tripe.

Geno
Dumb kid. Ever watched a Packer game? Hawk reminds me of Nitschke every time he plays. Got his nose in the middle of the action. Busting his hump and the guys he plays against. Steady player you don't have to worry about. Clearly you know more than TT. Dope!



Buck they are all from Ohio and would follow you anywhere. [grin1]
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Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 5:33:46 AM(UTC)

Brad Jones is ranked 8th ILB
A.J. Hawk is ranked 34th ILB


According to ProFootballFocus.com


1 Brandon Spikes
2 Kiko Alonso
3 Luke Kuechly
4 Derrick O. Johnson
5 Akeem Jordan
6 Mason Foster
7 NaVorro Bowman
8 Brad Jones
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User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 7:13:18 AM(UTC)

Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Brad Jones is ranked 8th ILB
A.J. Hawk is ranked 34th ILB


According to ProFootballFocus.com


1 Brandon Spikes
2 Kiko Alonso
3 Luke Kuechly
4 Derrick O. Johnson
5 Akeem Jordan
6 Mason Foster
7 NaVorro Bowman
8 Brad Jones


I don't know how much I would trust any publication that has Brad Jones rated 8th best in the NFL hahahahahaha. However, a lot of those guys, and a lot of others way better than Hawk were not picked in the first or even second or third round.

My point above all else is that it AIN'T a positive that Hawk has hung around this long. If he wasn't there, we coulda, shoulda, and almost certainly woulda gotten somebody a helluva lot better, and probably not needed a first round pick to do it.

DoddPower  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:17:53 PM(UTC)

Hawks a really good player to have on your team. He's incredibly available, which means a lot in todays NFL. He's definitely not elite, but a team can win with him, as the Packers have shown. I'm fine with Hawk, but it would be nice if the Packers could get a very good to elite player to play beside him.

He isn't the best #5 overall pick ever, but it could have easily been much, much, worse. Things don't always work out perfectly.
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PackFanWithTwins  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:33:21 PM(UTC)

People really need to get past the number he was picked at, and expecting him to be something he never was expected to be. He was not drafted to be Ray Lewis, or Urlacher. That was Nick Barnett. Hawk was the most surefire pick, never expected to have the greatest upside, but never expected to have a huge downside either. And that is exactly what he has been.

Barnett, Bishop, and Jones have been the Mike backers for the Packers, that is the position that is suppose to make the plays. Hawk has been the will. His job is more to help the mike make plays. He is suppose to prevent the cutback to the weak side if the RB get past the dline. He takes on lead blockers, he blitzes to occupy blockers so the mike can get a free shot on the QB.

His only real issue was that he got to big for a while, which cost him movement and speed. He has dropped about 10 lbs and has gained some of that back. His coverage problems are overblown as well. When I re-watch games, he is normally right on his man. Most of the time, in order to have close coverage he would be flagged for PI. And he normally makes the tackle.

If you look at his actual position he is top 2 or 3 with the likes of Bowman.
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DoddPower  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:48:16 PM(UTC)

PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
If you look at his actual position he is top 2 or 3 with the likes of Bowman.


I agree with most of your post, but not this one. Bowman is a phenomenal player who not only routinely makes impact plays, but also puts up decent stats. IMO, he plays much faster, too. He was a great pick for the 91st player picked in 2010.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:07:21 PM(UTC)

PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
People really need to get past the number he was picked at, and expecting him to be something he never was expected to be. He was not drafted to be Ray Lewis, or Urlacher. That was Nick Barnett. Hawk was the most surefire pick, never expected to have the greatest upside, but never expected to have a huge downside either. And that is exactly what he has been.

Barnett, Bishop, and Jones have been the Mike backers for the Packers, that is the position that is suppose to make the plays. Hawk has been the will. His job is more to help the mike make plays. He is suppose to prevent the cutback to the weak side if the RB get past the dline. He takes on lead blockers, he blitzes to occupy blockers so the mike can get a free shot on the QB.

His only real issue was that he got to big for a while, which cost him movement and speed. He has dropped about 10 lbs and has gained some of that back. His coverage problems are overblown as well. When I re-watch games, he is normally right on his man. Most of the time, in order to have close coverage he would be flagged for PI. And he normally makes the tackle.

If you look at his actual position he is top 2 or 3 with the likes of Bowman.


If somebody has sure-thing knowledge of the Capers D, or what came before it for that matter, I'd yield to that, but ...... as far as I know, there is no differentiation between the two ILB positions as the Packers play them. Also, "Mike" means starting with M - Middle. "Will" means starting with W - Wing or Wide. It's kind of hazy this many years later, but wasn't the plan when Hawk was drafted for Nick Barnett to be bumped from Middle Linebacker to Outside Linebacker - making room for Hawk to be the Middle Linebacker? I would suggest that indeed he WAS drafted to be something resembling Ray Lewis or Urlacher. I would further suggest AGAIN that it is extremely appropriate to take into consideration the high position in the draft when judging whether Hawk has been a good thing or a bad thing for the Packers.

And most of all, I say AGAIN, the WORST thing about A.J. Hawk IMO is that he has lasted so long, preventing the Packers from filling that spot with somebody a whole lot better - as most of the good and a lot of the bad teams in the league have playing MLB or ILB.

Gaycandybacon  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:27:50 PM(UTC)

DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
Hawks a really good player to have on your team. He's incredibly available, which means a lot in todays NFL. He's definitely not elite, but a team can win with him, as the Packers have shown. I'm fine with Hawk, but it would be nice if the Packers could get a very good to elite player to play beside him.

He isn't the best #5 overall pick ever, but it could have easily been much, much, worse. Things don't always work out perfectly.


Yes this. There's millions of Busts in the draft each year, it doesn't matter where you're drafted unless you're pretty much relying on them to completely change your team like a Quarterback.

If you can stay active every game and tackle, you're a good Linebacker to me.
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wpr  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:36:04 PM(UTC)

texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
If somebody has sure-thing knowledge of the Capers D, or what came before it for that matter, I'd yield to that, but ...... as far as I know, there is no differentiation between the two ILB positions as the Packers play them. Also, "Mike" means starting with M - Middle. "Will" means starting with W - Wing or Wide. It's kind of hazy this many years later, but wasn't the plan when Hawk was drafted for Nick Barnett to be bumped from Middle Linebacker to Outside Linebacker - making room for Hawk to be the Middle Linebacker? I would suggest that indeed he WAS drafted to be something resembling Ray Lewis or Urlacher. I would further suggest AGAIN that it is extremely appropriate to take into consideration the high position in the draft when judging whether Hawk has been a good thing or a bad thing for the Packers.

And most of all, I say AGAIN, the WORST thing about A.J. Hawk IMO is that he has lasted so long, preventing the Packers from filling that spot with somebody a whole lot better - as most of the good and a lot of the bad teams in the league have playing MLB or ILB.



W means Weak side LB
S strong
M Middle

In a 4 LB set up you can have the 2nd Middle LB take the role of the Will LB. And who says GB has 4 LB out there all the time? That is only the base package. Last week they were in nickle and dime almost all the game. In the nickle they had 2 LB and the dime only 1.
PackFanWithTwins  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:50:04 PM(UTC)

texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
If somebody has sure-thing knowledge of the Capers D, or what came before it for that matter, I'd yield to that, but ...... as far as I know, there is no differentiation between the two ILB positions as the Packers play them. Also, "Mike" means starting with M - Middle. "Will" means starting with W - Wing or Wide. It's kind of hazy this many years later, but wasn't the plan when Hawk was drafted for Nick Barnett to be bumped from Middle Linebacker to Outside Linebacker - making room for Hawk to be the Middle Linebacker? I would suggest that indeed he WAS drafted to be something resembling Ray Lewis or Urlacher. I would further suggest AGAIN that it is extremely appropriate to take into consideration the high position in the draft when judging whether Hawk has been a good thing or a bad thing for the Packers.

And most of all, I say AGAIN, the WORST thing about A.J. Hawk IMO is that he has lasted so long, preventing the Packers from filling that spot with somebody a whole lot better - as most of the good and a lot of the bad teams in the league have playing MLB or ILB.


There is a difference in the positions. Why do you think, they switch sides depending on the offensive formation. Hawk will always line up on the weak side of the offensive formation, Jones (or whoever) on the front/strong side. Some say the same thing that we don't have a FS and SS, that they are the same and that is also incorrect. While at times they may change up. While we may see Burnett deep, he most often playing SS.

No idea of the team has planned on him moving Barnett out. But if they had, I expect they would have. Hawk was fully capable as demonstrated when Barnett went out in 08' and Hawk moved inside without a problem.

Perhaps, the reason Hawk has lasted is because nobody can beat him out. If there was a weakness at the position, Ted would certainly address it.

The problem is not Hawk, the problem is fans that expected him to be what he was never suppose to be.
steveishere  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:26:32 PM(UTC)

I'm not as down on Hawk as some and I agree that he has kept his job because nobody has showed up and been better than him so he's deserved it.

He does have some faults that make him an average player IMO. Regardless of his job responsibilities he doesn't make all of the plays that are out there for him to make like tackling guys for short gains near the line or making decisive tackles in space. He's better in coverage than he gets credit for. He is not good at all at taking on blocks, he gets moved out of plays way too easily when another team gets a hat on him. Taking on a block IMO doesn't just mean running up there and getting blocked out of the play, he doesn't often get past the blocker or take on the blocker early enough to re-route the runner he just gets blocked and that's it. He's been a better pass rusher it seems the last couple years but he still doesn't have the ability Bishop had to slip past a block at the line and get after the QB.

I think the thing that bugs most people about him is he hit his ceiling pretty early (which wasn't that high) and hasn't really shown any improvement over the years and has even had years where he regressed. He's definitely a guy you can win with if he's on your team but if your whole D was made up of AJ Hawks it wouldn't be very good.
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Porforis  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:12:15 PM(UTC)

steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
He's definitely a guy you can win with if he's on your team but if your whole D was made up of AJ Hawks it wouldn't be very good.


Would an entire defense made up of any single NFL player be any good at all?
steveishere  
#20 Posted : Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:07:41 AM(UTC)

Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
Would an entire defense made up of any single NFL player be any good at all?


Come on now you know what I was saying. I'm obviously talking about players with the same ability level not the same build. Don't be dense.
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