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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:03:49 AM(UTC)

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Jason Wilde said:
GREEN BAY — Why didn't Mike McCarthy accept the 10-yard holding penalty that would have pushed the Baltimore Ravens back into a third-and-goal from the 11-yard line instead of declining it and giving them a fourth-down chance from less than a yard out during Sunday's 19-17 victory?

Simple: The Green Bay Packers coach was convinced his guys were going to get a stop.

Which, of course, is exactly what happened. The defense, after stopping running back Ray Rice on the first three plays, stuffed Bernard Pierce for no gain on fourth down, completing a goal-line stand that was a major momentum-shifter in the Packers' win.

It was also a different tack than McCarthy had taken in the Sept. 8 season opener at San Francisco, when the 49ers committed a 5-yard illegal formation penalty on a third-down play and McCarthy accepted the penalty — even though the 49ers had come up short and it was fourth down and inches — to give the 49ers an extra play.

That decision led to quarterback Colin Kaepernick scrambling and drawing a personal foul penalty on Clay Matthews for a late hit out of bounds, leading to a touchdown.

In fairness to McCarthy, Kaepernick was 2 yards short of the first down when Matthews hit him in that game, meaning the strategy essentially worked.

On Sunday, McCarthy didn't flinch even though by declining the penalty he set up a fourth-and-inches, just as he would have faced if he'd have declined the penalty in San Francisco. When the defense stopped Pierce, it preserved the Packers' 3-0 lead.

"The thinking was simple and it's exactly what I said on the headsets (to the others coaches): "We're playing great defense. I'm declining the penalty,'" McCarthy explained Monday. "So it wasn't really a conversation. I just felt strongly, just knowing the personality of their football team, they were going to try to run it again, (and) I was just confident that we'd be able to stop it.

"Our defensive line did a great job. The penetration on that goal-line stand was outstanding, particularly on the road. That's a moment as a defense that you can really build off of and I thought it was definitely one of the big, big plays, big segment of plays in the game."
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:20:09 AM(UTC)

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I was surprised by the call. If GB took the penalty and held them out of the endzone Baltimore kicks the FG instead.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 6:50:26 AM(UTC)

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I liked the call - very gutsy. The D stood them up when we were having problems moving the ball. Even without Clay, they still stood strong. Consider last season - this defense couldn't stop the run to save their own lives, but this year it has been quite the opposite. Hawk had the best game I can recall in recent memory - please tell me there is more where that came from!ThumpUp

Way to grow a pair D!
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:26:43 AM(UTC)

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I thought it was a no brainer. Wilde is a little off on his description. It didn't set up 4th and inches. It was 4th and a complete yard unless you call that 4th and 36. In that position, the playbook becomes very small. If you push them back, you give them much more choices in play possibilities to defend against. 3rd and 11 you more than likely will face a pass which opens up the risk for a PI possibly giving them 4 more downs from the 1.

Taking the penalty in SF was the call of the two I would question.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:34:47 AM(UTC)

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It seems like the Packers have struggled or made mistakes on stopping 3rd and long a lot more often than struggling / making mistakes on 4th and short for what ever reason.

I would think the norm would be struggling to stop the short yardage ones than the long yardage ones, but doesn't seem like the case for the Packers.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 3:03:26 PM(UTC)

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beast said: Go to Quoted Post
It seems like the Packers have struggled or made mistakes on stopping 3rd and long a lot more often than struggling / making mistakes on 4th and short for what ever reason.

I would think the norm would be struggling to stop the short yardage ones than the long yardage ones, but doesn't seem like the case for the Packers.


You may be right. They do seem to be giving up a lot of 3rd and longs. The difference IMO is that we have a stout run defense and most teams are going to run between the tackles on 3rd and 1. We don't seem to be as good defending the pass so 3rd and long so we give up more of those.

I've often thought that against defenses like ours a play action would be a good call on third and 1. The Packers used to like to go for it all on third and 1 but they never used the play action (never had the running game to sell it) so it was not as successful. Now with a running game maybe a play action bomb would work better. As soon as I saw the PA to Lacy and saw Rodgers set up all by himself I knew that was going to be a TD to Nelson. It just looked so pretty and he had all the time in the world. That's just one way a decent running game can help out your passing game.

I think the benefit of 4 weeks of seeing what our run defense can do helped make his decision a little easier as well.
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