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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:28:42 PM(UTC)
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LombardiAve wrote:
The red zone statistic is vitally important to a team's success on offense — a statistic that the Green Bay Packers have been bucking as of late.

This stat, which measures how many times a team gets to the red zone and how many times they score a touchdown in the red zone, is probably an underrated statistic, in that it doesn’t get as much attention as other statistics.

The “red zone theory” has long been taught in “football philosophy.” It says that a team consistently settling for field goals instead of touchdowns while in the red zone, is a team that will have trouble achieving success in the win/loss column.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:41:12 PM(UTC)
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Problem in the red zone, is that Aaron can't throw deep.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:07:03 PM(UTC)
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The red zone problem is partly an aberration which will take care of itself, partly a product of playing good teams with strong defenses, and partly the fault of this new attitude of trying to run more on early downs. Just let Aaron be Aaron, and we will be back to a strong percentage of TDs in the red zone.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:43:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
The red zone problem is partly an aberration which will take care of itself, partly a product of playing good teams with strong defenses, and partly the fault of this new attitude of trying to run more on early downs. Just let Aaron be Aaron, and we will be back to a strong percentage of TDs in the red zone.


As much as I am enjoying the Lacy show along with more balanced playcalling - you have a valid point. We are watching a team in an offensive transition. Once they find the best mix of plays that suits our team - things should even out and we will see more touchdowns.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:08:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 Go to Quoted Post
As much as I am enjoying the Lacy show along with more balanced playcalling - you have a valid point. We are watching a team in an offensive transition. Once they find the best mix of plays that suits our team - things should even out and we will see more touchdowns.


I believe what you say is true and the Packers will be a better team down the stretch as a result.

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:22:37 AM(UTC)
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The Packers are bound to catch up to their Red Zone issues.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:09:54 AM(UTC)
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Well, in those last two games the packers have been 0/6 in the red-zone, though I would say only 0/4 based on the circumstances.

Two against Detroit
one we ran 5 plays in the red zone - 1 run for 7 yards, and 4 passes before kicking the FG
the second was two plays in the redzone - Both passes

4 against Baltimore
one was 2 runs gaining 7 and 1 incomplete pass
another was 4 passes with 2 offensive penalties.
third was Crosby kicking when the defense force the turnover at the end of the half
Forth was Rodgers taking a knee at the end of the game.

Total for the season, 20 trips into the redzone 3 of them were knees or Crosby FG in BAl with no time for the offense so I only count 17. Of those 17 times we went into the redzone and tried to score we succeeded on 53% to get a TD. 94% overall.

Of the 8 times we tried to score and settled for FG. we have dropped back to pass 19 times and run 5 times. So the theory that the run game is somehow causing this is completely BS. Of those 8 only once did we run the ball more than once in the redzone downs. 3 times we never ran. One of them being Jones fumble touchback.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:21:49 AM(UTC)
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I feel pretty good about our team being 3-2 against for the most part against quality opponents with as bad of a red zone efficiency as we have had. If defense continues to improve on the path they are heading, I think we have something special brewing if the red zone efficiency improves.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:31:00 AM(UTC)
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Easy fix......JUST SCORE FROM OUTSIDE THE REDZONE!!!

Pound Lacy enough and ,as we saw against baltimore, it's only a matter of time until a team will load up the box, that's when Jordy and jermicheal will shine deep!!!

Funny how the games The packers won is the games we didn't score in the redzone.

My feeling is that the writer is just trying to find doom anf gloom stories to write about.

Keep thinking the worst is going to happen, it probably will.

Browns are going to be tough to score on, I predict another low scoring slobberknocker.

packers one advantage is Weeden, keep the pressure on him and he will turn the ball over.

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#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:36:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Easy fix......JUST SCORE FROM OUTSIDE THE REDZONE!!!

Pound Lacy enough and ,as we saw against baltimore, it's only a matter of time until a team will load up the box, that's when Jordy and jermicheal will shine deep!!!

Funny how the games The packers won is the games we didn't score in the redzone.

My feeling is that the writer is just trying to find doom anf gloom stories to write about.

Keep thinking the worst is going to happen, it probably will.

Browns are going to be tough to score on, I predict another low scoring slobberknocker.

packers one advantage is Weeden, keep the pressure on him and he will turn the ball over.



I find the article more curious from the perspective of how much Rodgers gets lauded for his red zone beast mode.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:14:31 PM(UTC)
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What percentage of this is due to passing on third and short?
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:22:28 PM(UTC)
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What percentage of this is due to passing on third and short?


Don't know about distance but all of the failures we dropped back to pass on 3rd down.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:57:09 PM(UTC)
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Pound it in with Lacy ........ IF we have 1st and Goal inside the 5. Run a normal pass first offense if we have 1st and 10 outside the 15. 1st and 10 between the 5 and 15, don't waste downs by running that could be used to throw for a TD. Deviate only if the defensive set is extreme against what we have called, in which case, Rodgers can change the play at the line.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 2:43:34 PM(UTC)
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#15 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:02:31 PM(UTC)
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Didn't the 2010 Packers struggle in the red zone early on?


EDIT: False alarm, they struggled on third downs.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:27:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
1 game 100% red zone - L. 2 game 0% red zone - W, W. Weeeee!!


Very intersting stat.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Pound it in with Lacy ........ IF we have 1st and Goal inside the 5. Run a normal pass first offense if we have 1st and 10 outside the 15. 1st and 10 between the 5 and 15, don't waste downs by running that could be used to throw for a TD. Deviate only if the defensive set is extreme against what we have called, in which case, Rodgers can change the play at the line.


I agree about point it with Lacy. In past years it would seem like Mike McCarthy offense would chance once it got inside of the other team 40. They would take a couple more shots at big play or the end zone around there. Seems like that's still happening, but the pass rush is getting to Rodgers a lot more often now than in the past.

Maybe because the other team know it's coming or expect a pass in that range if Mike McCarthy play calling patterns show anything... but I'm thinking that little change in offense seems to hurt the Packers moving the ball, it's not working like it used to.

I remember when FB Hall was still around it seemed like Hall was always used between the 30 yard lines, and Kuhn was always inside the 30 yard lines, line there was some sort of automatic offensive switch that went on when they pasted a certain line in their play calling. Seems like Mike McCarthy is still switching it up at some point and the switch up isn't always working nearly as well as it has in the past.

Maybe pounding it more would help...

I still want to see Mike McCarthy use a RB some what like the Saints do... where they basically use the RB out of the back field more or less as a WR (like they did with Bush and Sproles) and I think Franklin could fit that role perrty well.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:50:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
What percentage of this is due to passing on third and short?


It feels like a most of our third down drive enders are third and short and we flub the pass play. I really wish we'd have the sure-hand check-down receiver that could keep plays alive. Normally I'd see that as a slot receiver or a TE, but our team hasn't had a guy like that since Driver with Favre.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:28:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla Go to Quoted Post
It feels like a most of our third down drive enders are third and short and we flub the pass play. I really wish we'd have the sure-hand check-down receiver that could keep plays alive. Normally I'd see that as a slot receiver or a TE, but our team hasn't had a guy like that since Driver with Favre.


I disagree... Jennings did it very well with a slant to the inside. Heck at times I think the defense knew it was coming and still couldn't stop the little slant route when Jenning run it, with both Rodgers and Favre. And Jennings did it in the Super Bowl to pick up what was thought to be a key first down (as they were hoping to put the dagger in on that drive with a TD, but ended only only getting a FG on that last drive by the Packers offense.


And Cobb has shown sparks of it at times, but not consistant with it.

But the others haven't shown it.

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#19 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:44:42 AM(UTC)
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I agree that the red zone efficiency is very concerning. I consider red zone efficiency to be one of the most important functions of an offense. Sure hope we get better :)
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#20 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:54:25 AM(UTC)
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Got a lot of new guys going today, maybe one of them will show the ability to run that quick slant and have the good hands.

So many guys to watch today, win or lose, it's gonna be a fun game to watch.

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