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Online Mucky Tundra  
#1 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:00:33 AM(UTC)
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Mike Florio wrote:
So how did the Browns end up signing a guy with a torn ACL from the Packers' practice squad? The guy in question, receiver Charles Johnson, had a torn ACL that no one knew about. When a player is signed from another team's practice squad, a physical isn't given before the player joins the team. ...


Well, that might explain why he never really got going. Another feather in the cap for the Green Bay Packers medical team.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:03:47 AM(UTC)
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ouch. That is rather shocking.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:07:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
ouch. That is rather shocking.


damn ya - so he is signed byt he browns and has a partially torn acl - and this is the same thing bulaga had and he decided to get surgery huh ...

funny enough - our Oline isnt as bad off as we thought this year ...

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#4 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:17:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post
damn ya - so he is signed byt he browns and has a partially torn acl - and this is the same thing bulaga had and he decided to get surgery huh ...

funny enough - our Oline isnt as bad off as we thought this year ...



He's been sacked 14 times in five games. That's on pace for 44 sacks for the season.

Although, the run blocking I think has done a good job. Pass blocking, not so much.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:18:18 AM(UTC)
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Well... as bad as the miss looks for us... for the team as a whole it probably assists us.

Johnson should be returned to us.. while we pick up the surgery costs and place him on IR.. we also would retain his rights moving forward. Gives us a second look at him if we want next season.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#6 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:06:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Well... as bad as the miss looks for us... for the team as a whole it probably assists us.

Johnson should be returned to us.. while we pick up the surgery costs and place him on IR.. we also would retain his rights moving forward. Gives us a second look at him if we want next season.


I know you said "should be", but I'm checking about what is going to happen...

Are the Packers going to get his rights back? Or the Browns going to keep his rights?

I thought the Browns got to keep his rights, since they signed him.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:47:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
I know you said "should be", but I'm checking about what is going to happen...

Are the Packers going to get his rights back? Or the Browns going to keep his rights?

I thought the Browns got to keep his rights, since they signed him.


If he failed his physical, he should revert back.

But I agree, you gotta wonder, wtf. smh

This is the same group that forced Nick Collins to retire after a completely unnecessary surgery.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:55:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If he failed his physical, he should revert back.

But I agree, you gotta wonder, wtf. smh

This is the same group that forced Nick Collins to retire after a completely unnecessary surgery.


The Browns already signed him to a contract so they will probably IR him. He's theirs.

Nick Collins hasn't been forced to retire he's free to play for any team in the league.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:17:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
The Browns already signed him to a contract so they will probably IR him. He's theirs.

Nick Collins hasn't been forced to retire he's free to play for any team in the league.


The contract should be contingent upon passing the physical. That's what's happened in the past when there've been trades and whatnot, iirc.

Then again the Packers might not even want him.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:52:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
The contract should be contingent upon passing the physical. That's what's happened in the past when there've been trades and whatnot, iirc.

Then again the Packers might not even want him.


I don't think it is, the contract is contingent on him signing his name to it. Trades are contingent on a player passing a physical but when you sign a player off somebody's practice squad you have to sign them to your team for at least 2 weeks so they already gave him a contract. This wasn't a trade or anything where another team is getting compensation it's not really any different from signing any FA.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:08:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
I don't think it is, the contract is contingent on him signing his name to it. Trades are contingent on a player passing a physical but when you sign a player off somebody's practice squad you have to sign them to your team for at least 2 weeks so they already gave him a contract. This wasn't a trade or anything where another team is getting compensation it's not really any different from signing any FA.


But it is more like a waiver wire pick up but with the minimum roster requirement.. they caught this on the introductory physical to join practices. If you waive a player injured, the player is protected as they have to be put on the IR and waived injured with financial compensation. It also protects the next team in signing damaged goods.

I fail to see how the contract would not be voided.. unless it is a loophole in the rules.. otherwise why not expose more injured players to the practice squad to circumvent the IR rules.. they can be called up at any time. Once teams start stashing injured players on the PS, it will really make an opposing team pluck someone off your PS.

And once the player is healthy.. they can be called up at a moments notice.

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#12 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:23:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
The contract should be contingent upon passing the physical. That's what's happened in the past when there've been trades and whatnot, iirc.

Then again the Packers might not even want him.


This wasn't a trade.
Too bad for Cleveland.
My question is: why did the Packers medical crew not know this and allow him to practice with the taxi squad, or did they?

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#13 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:31:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: yooperfan Go to Quoted Post
This wasn't a trade.
Too bad for Cleveland.
My question is: why did the Packers medical crew not know this and allow him to practice with the taxi squad, or did they?



He probably didn't say anything about it and they didn't know.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:53:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
He probably didn't say anything about it and they didn't know.


I have to think that in the NFL today, that any teams medical crew would be more on top of things than just taking a players word.
Perhaps that's why the Packers are so beset with serious injuries.

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#15 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:57:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
But it is more like a waiver wire pick up but with the minimum roster requirement.. they caught this on the introductory physical to join practices. If you waive a player injured, the player is protected as they have to be put on the IR and waived injured with financial compensation. It also protects the next team in signing damaged goods.

I fail to see how the contract would not be voided.. unless it is a loophole in the rules.. otherwise why not expose more injured players to the practice squad to circumvent the IR rules.. they can be called up at any time. Once teams start stashing injured players on the PS, it will really make an opposing team pluck someone off your PS.

And once the player is healthy.. they can be called up at a moments notice.


I can't imagine the loophole being in the players favor even with union negotiators.
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