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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 5:17:56 AM(UTC)
Interesting read.

Mike Vandermause said:

Former Green Bay Packers receiver Greg Jennings never will admit it publicly, but he made a big career mistake when he signed a free agent contract with the Minnesota Vikings.

His team is buried in last place in the NFC North with a 1-5 record. The quarterback situation in Minnesota is a jumbled mess with no apparent relief in sight. The Vikings are ranked a lowly No. 25 in total offense (316 yards per game), and Jennings is averaging a pedestrian four catches and 54.5 yards per game.

Meanwhile, Jennings’ former employer again sits atop the division standings with a 4-2 record, has an MVP-caliber quarterback in Aaron Rodgers directing an offense that is ranked No. 2 in the NFL (435 yards per game).

Not even the contract Jennings signed with the Vikings, which pays slightly more than $9 million per year, can make him feel better about his plight. That’s because the Packers offered Jennings a new contract early last season for more money — around $10 million per year.

So Jennings is bringing in less cash than he could have had, playing for an inferior team and seeing the ball less often in his new surroundings.

There’s not much to like about his situation, but he had no choice but to put on a happy face when he spoke with Wisconsin reporters this week in advance of Sunday’s Packers-Vikings game at the Metrodome.

When asked if he missed catching passes from Rodgers, Jennings replied: “No man, God has blessed me to move on from that. I’ve embraced my situation and my role here and my teammates here.”

As career moves go, Jennings’ decision is akin to giving up a cushy job at Facebook for a position at MySpace.

“It’s been a challenge, but life throws you a lot of challenges, a lot of adversity, a lot of curveballs, and it’s been no different,” Jennings said. “It’s something that has been a humbling experience.”

The worst part for Jennings is that he had a choice in the matter. The Packers made him a respectable, if not exorbitant, offer last year, but he hedged his bets thinking he could command a lot more money on the open market.

As it turned out, Jennings overvalued his talents and is stuck playing for a dog of a team.

Maybe the Vikings can turn their disastrous season around and become a contender again. Maybe they will one day find a credible NFL quarterback. Maybe Vikings coach Leslie Frazier will reclaim some job security with a few more wins.

But at this point those are pipe dreams in Minnesota, while in Green Bay success is an everyday reality.

Jennings has to be kicking himself — privately, of course — for giving up so much in deciding to leave the Packers. He apparently didn’t realize how good he had it.

Jennings was a perfect fit in the Packers’ offense, played a key role on their Super Bowl championship team three years ago and would have enjoyed success for years to come with Rodgers slinging passes his way.

The problem for Jennings was that he wanted a bigger slice of the receiving pie and knew he wasn’t going to get it in Green Bay.

It’s human nature to want more, so Jennings shouldn’t be labeled a villain. But by seeking a brighter spotlight individually, he finds himself on a sinking ship.

Jennings’ derogatory comments about Rodgers during the offseason produced big headlines, but something he said in March after signing with the Vikings about the Packers’ quality and depth at the receiver position was very telling and slipped under the radar.

“We all can’t be as successful as we want to be individually with so many guys around,” said Jennings on radio’s “The Jim Rome Show.”

“I believe this with all my heart: not one guy over there can really maximize their potential because of the depth we had.”

Jennings sounded like he was starving for attention. It wasn’t enough that he was one of the pieces to the Packers’ high-powered offense. He desired a higher profile.

Last year, receivers Randall Cobb (80 catches) and James Jones (14 touchdowns) played starring roles, and the year before Jordy Nelson led the team in catches, yards and touchdowns. Plus, tight end Jermichael Finley was always around to gobble up receptions.

It’s almost as if Jennings felt like just another guy amidst all that talent. He definitely held his own and made major contributions to the offense, but with so many other receiving options around him, he was forced to share and apparently figured he would never be the go-to receiver.

Jennings made a point during the offseason of saying he was a team-first player. If that was the case, he would still be in Green Bay, catching passes and winning games.

As it is, he finds himself in Minnesota, where the offense sputters and losing has become a way of life.
sschind  
#2 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 6:33:03 AM(UTC)
He has a ring and he has millions of dollars. Maybe he is not kicking himself as much as we would like to think he is or as much as we hope he is. I get the feeling that he simply wasn't as happy in Green Bay as he felt he could be somewhere else. Maybe he did want more of the attention. Maybe he did feel as though with our group of guys he would never be "the guy" again and maybe he needed that. So that makes him a bad guy? I don't think so. You don't make comments like he did, jokingly or otherwise, if there is not a degree of truth to them. If he was indeed joking as he has recently said he was the seeds still had to be there for the jokes to come out. It follows that if there was any truth to what he was feeling that he wouldn't have been as happy here as he would have liked to have been. If you are not happy someplace and you have the ability to go somewhere that you might be why wouldn't you do so.

He claims that he is happy and had no regrets and as Packers fans we scoff at that. Is it because we feel he rejected us and we are taking it personally? How dare anyone not want to play here. Of course it made matters twice as bad when he chose the vikings over us. Who are we to say whether he is happy or not. I think some people are hoping he is not happy because if he is that means he has found someplace that he thinks is better than Green Bay and they don't want that to be the case. Especially if that place is with the vikings. To me that is nothing but spiteful and petty thinking.

We make it sound as if there is no place on earth better than Green Bay and that playing for the Packers is a privilege anyone would dream of. As a fan I can understand that but we are not talking about fans we are talking about players.

Was playing here a great experience for him? I am pretty sure he will tell you, honestly, that it was. He might even say, again in all honesty, that he wouldn't trade his experiences here for anything. At least as a Packer I would hope these things are true as it reflects highly on the organization that I love. On the other hand, while I would hope every players experiences here are positive and that they never want to leave I realize that this will not always be the case. Great experiences and great times do not always remain great. Things change, needs change, feelings change and experiences change. Happy places can become unhappy places and when that happens people want to leave. Can you blame them?

People toil away at jobs where they are unhappy because in many cases they feel they don't have a choice. In Jennings case he had the choice and he took it. Was it simply for the money, I don't think so. If it was truly about the money I don't think he would have said the things he did. I think he was not happy here, he saw his opportunity to do something about it and he did it.

The more people rail on guys like this the more I support their decisions. I'm not saying that Packers fans are alone in this type of behavior. It is fan behavior and every single team in sports has fans that act this way. We are not special in that way we are not special any way, neither the good ways or the bad ways. There is only one way we are special and that is because we have the privilege of rooting for the greatest sports franchise on the face of the earth (but I am sure others would disagree)

I honestly thought Jennings would have better numbers this year than he has but I don't know if anyone could have predicted that the vikings passing game being as horrendous as it is. I am happy that he does not have better numbers simply because the worse the vikings do the happier I am. I am not happy that he has poor numbers because he left the Packers.

If Jennings says he is happy and has no regrets I am going to choose to believe him. I'll leave the doubting and the nay-saying to those who somehow feel personally slighted by his decision to leave the Green Bay Packers or to those who somehow feel they have special insight into his personal feelings.

Greg, if you are happy I am happy for you. I will not wish you success on the field because I simply can not do that but I'm sure you understand. In everything else though I wish you the best and if for some reason in the future you wish to return to Green Bay (to retire as a packer or something like that) I, and a lot of Packers fans will welcome you back.
nyrpack  
#3 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 7:26:41 AM(UTC)
get out, you think it was a mistake going to minny !! lol
DarkaneRules  
#4 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 7:43:37 AM(UTC)
Well I was over him personally. I don't stay attached to too many players for long, and if I do, they are more often defensive players. I really don't care that much unless I am watching the Vikings play, then it is all in good fun ragging on him. It is the spirit of competition.
wpr  
#5 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 8:01:15 AM(UTC)
It comes down the the old old choice- Big fish in a small pond or a small fish in a big pond. He thought he was going to be a big fish. I can live with that. Hope he can too.

The thing that annoyed me most in his most recent PC was when he said he got out of town for the sake of the younger players. To allow them a better chance to develop. Bull. He did it for himself and his family. He didn't leave for the sake of Cobb or any of the future wrs. Cobb will grow and develop with or without Jennings being on the team.
steveishere  
#6 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 8:17:24 AM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
He has a ring and he has millions of dollars. Maybe he is not kicking himself as much as we would like to think he is or as much as we hope he is. I get the feeling that he simply wasn't as happy in Green Bay as he felt he could be somewhere else. Maybe he did want more of the attention. Maybe he did feel as though with our group of guys he would never be "the guy" again and maybe he needed that. So that makes him a bad guy? I don't think so. You don't make comments like he did, jokingly or otherwise, if there is not a degree of truth to them. If he was indeed joking as he has recently said he was the seeds still had to be there for the jokes to come out. It follows that if there was any truth to what he was feeling that he wouldn't have been as happy here as he would have liked to have been. If you are not happy someplace and you have the ability to go somewhere that you might be why wouldn't you do so.



It doesn't necessarily make him a bad guy but it makes him completely fake. When he goes around saying he's "all about the team the team the team" and acts like hes some humble anti-diva for years and then his actions completely betray that it's not really a good look or a good quality of character.

It's not just about leaving to another team (even the Vikings). It's also how you do it. Guys like Woodson, Bishop, Jenkins, Wells, etc... didn't all leave on the best of terms but for the most part they handled it with tact and/or class and they certainly handled it a lot better than Jennings which is a big reason IMO why you don't see Packer fans hating on those guys much.
Wade  
#7 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 9:09:48 AM(UTC)
It is extremely difficult (and often bad for one's future) to criticize one's employer. *Many, many* unhappy workers will, unless they are very sure of who they are talking to and that what they say won't "get out", will tend to feign happiness and contentment.

I never realized this until I became that unhappy employee. And I've never worked in an environment where I have to deal with "the press" and "the outside fans of the organization" on a daily basis. But I have worked in an environment that I've wanted to get out of, and I have worked in an environment where I thought it was dangerous to my employment health to let on that I was unhappy. And, yes, in that situation I was *very* careful about who I let know any of my discontent.

More than that. More than once I found myself having to pretend to be something else.

I don't apologize for that. If I were in the same situation now, I'd likely do it the same.

Does that make me inauthentic? Maybe. I don't know.

But I don't define myself by my job, much less by my current employment and organization. And I do not feel morally obligated to do so just because others define me that way.

I don't know Mr. Jennings. I don't know what he felt about the organization that employed him five years ago, and I don't know what he feels about the organization that employs him now. I believe that he did his job professionally and to the best of his abilities then, and I believe he does so now. And that, to me, is what matters. I would hope he was, and is, happy in what he does. But if he wasn't happy then or if he isn't happy now, I don't see how he had or has an obligation to disclose those feelings accurately to his employer, to ESPN, or to me, the boilerplate about "talking to the press obligations" in the standard NFL contract notwithstanding.

He has a job to perform. He did that. He did that well and he did that professionally. I've never heard anything from anyone to the contrary.

That's enough for me. I wish him well, and I wish him success in Minnesota or wherever he goes next.

(Except in games against the Packers, of course.)
Dulak  
#8 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 9:41:50 AM(UTC)
oh maybe I didnt follow it closely but - I thought he left cuz we wernt going to pay him? ... this isnt true?

TheKanataThrilla  
#9 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 9:48:36 AM(UTC)
My 2 cents. If he wanted a shot at the HoF he should have stayed with the Packers or took a lower offer with a team with a better QB situation. I think this move to Minny will remove any chance he has of being a Hall of Famer. If he cares about that. I would think he might if he was all about wanting to be the man.
Porforis  
#10 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 9:50:39 AM(UTC)
Ouch. Calling the Packers Facebook and the Vikings MySpace? That's pretty brutal.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#11 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 10:42:31 AM(UTC)
Great QBs make decent receivers look like great ones. I think Jennings wanted to prove that wasn't the case with him. Instead, he pretty much proved that WAS the case with him.
rabidgopher04  
#12 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 10:53:48 AM(UTC)
TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
My 2 cents. If he wanted a shot at the HoF he should have stayed with the Packers or took a lower offer with a team with a better QB situation. I think this move to Minny will remove any chance he has of being a Hall of Famer. If he cares about that. I would think he might if he was all about wanting to be the man.


At the end of last season it looked like Ponder was getting it together and was going to be a serviceable option at QB - he just needed more/better targets. Turns out Ponder has his moments, but more often than not, he's mediocre at best.

If Jennings was truly unhappy with his employer, then no, he isn't looking back. I'm sure he wishes his new team was having success, but that might not be the only factor. For a fan it's easy to say that he probably regrets it, but not necessarily as a player.
Zero2Cool  
#13 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 11:12:36 AM(UTC)
Dulak said: Go to Quoted Post
oh maybe I didnt follow it closely but - I thought he left cuz we wernt going to pay him? ... this isnt true?


The Packers was prior to free agency. Much like James Jones several years ago, Greg Jennings overvalued himself. Jones rejected the Vikings offer by accepting the Packers offer. You'd think Jennings would have taken note of that when rejecting the Packers offer.

Jennings thought he was worth $15 million per year, or something close to what Mike Wallace pulled in. Something similar happened with Cullen Jenkins too. Shh, don't tell anyone because a good deal want to blame Ted Thompson and absolve all accountability of Jenkins on that. :)
Cheesey  
#14 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 11:40:12 AM(UTC)
Lets face it.....Jennings will never admit it, but it HAS to burn his butt that the team he said was going to be SO good with him on it, has shown NOTHING so far.
He had a chance to stay here, get lots of money, and maybe get another ring or two.
But HE thought HE was SOOOO great, that he could lift the Vikings up to the Packers level, as he thought HE had done in his time here.

If he honestly thinks otherwise, he is delusional.

As was already said, I think he wanted to be "the guy", and knew he was just a part of the equation here. What he forgot was, the Vikings have no QB, and their other WR's are just so-so. He's no "Megatron".
So he will spend the rest of his career in Limbo, Minnesota.
sschind  
#15 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 1:35:20 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
It doesn't necessarily make him a bad guy but it makes him completely fake. When he goes around saying he's "all about the team the team the team" and acts like hes some humble anti-diva for years and then his actions completely betray that it's not really a good look or a good quality of character.

It's not just about leaving to another team (even the Vikings). It's also how you do it. Guys like Woodson, Bishop, Jenkins, Wells, etc... didn't all leave on the best of terms but for the most part they handled it with tact and/or class and they certainly handled it a lot better than Jennings which is a big reason IMO why you don't see Packer fans hating on those guys much.


Being happy in your work can go a long way toward becoming a team player. If you are unhappy about your situation sometimes you get that I'm in it for me attitude. Maybe that is what happened with him here in Green Bay.

I still see nothing from Jennings that makes me think he is a diva.
sschind  
#16 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 1:43:04 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
It comes down the the old old choice- Big fish in a small pond or a small fish in a big pond. He thought he was going to be a big fish. I can live with that. Hope he can too.

The thing that annoyed me most in his most recent PC was when he said he got out of town for the sake of the younger players. To allow them a better chance to develop. Bull. He did it for himself and his family. He didn't leave for the sake of Cobb or any of the future wrs. Cobb will grow and develop with or without Jennings being on the team.


Which PC would that be? I know a lot of people are saying that is what he said but I personally have not seen those quotes. Vandermause posted these lines in the article in the first post of this thread

“We all can’t be as successful as we want to be individually with so many guys around,” said Jennings on radio’s “The Jim Rome Show.”

“I believe this with all my heart: not one guy over there can really maximize their potential because of the depth we had.”


That is clearly not saying he left so the other guys could get better. It could be misconstrued as meaning that I suppose but it not how I take it. Is this what everyone is referring to or did he specifically say he left so the younger guys could develop. I don't know, that is why I am asking.
wpr  
#17 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 2:00:45 PM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
Which PC would that be? I know a lot of people are saying that is what he said but I personally have not seen those quotes. Vandermause posted these lines in the article in the first post of this thread

“We all can’t be as successful as we want to be individually with so many guys around,” said Jennings on radio’s “The Jim Rome Show.”

“I believe this with all my heart: not one guy over there can really maximize their potential because of the depth we had.”


That is clearly not saying he left so the other guys could get better. It could be misconstrued as meaning that I suppose but it not how I take it. Is this what everyone is referring to or did he specifically say he left so the younger guys could develop. I don't know, that is why I am asking.


It could be that line. Maybe it is another one. I was sure I saw something where he specifically referred to leaving for the betterment of the younger players. All I can find is this line from the transcript thread and it doesn't specifically say it either.


Quote:
(Did you want to have the chance to be in the spotlight and be a No. 1 receiver, get out of the Green Bay receiving shadow?) Uh, no. I just, you know, again, when the offseason came, I thought the best decision for my family and I was here. From all of us growing, not just myself, not just being in myself but for my wife, my kids, um and then myself. You know I know there's some, I've talked to Randall, I've talked to, uh, those guys over there. Like I said with them, if I had stayed, I could have been overshadowing some of those guys, you know, not allowing them to flourish the way that I know that they're capable of flourishing. Randall specifically, I was being kind of like a little brother, and playing with James and Jordy obviously, they had had opportunities to shine. But to move on (somewhat inaudible, believe Jennings said "is the way") to allow them their due, it was time. It was just time. Like I said, I shared this with them. Same thing I'm saying to you, I've shared it with them. You know, had I stayed there, you know we would have been continuing to be looked at as a overall group, but they needed some attention individually. Specifically Randall because he was the youngest. And James and Jordy, they had been putting up consistent play for the past few years. So they were getting their due and it was time for Randall.


Still sounds like he is saying he left for their sake to me. Then again maybe I am being a butt about the whole thing.
steveishere  
#18 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 2:31:51 PM(UTC)
He said on ESPN (first take or mike and mike or something) he left so other guys could "spread their wings"
yooperfan  
#19 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 4:22:47 PM(UTC)
I think Greg is right where he belongs.
I'm happy that he's happy.
sschind  
#20 Posted : Friday, October 25, 2013 8:46:43 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
It could be that line. Maybe it is another one. I was sure I saw something where he specifically referred to leaving for the betterment of the younger players. All I can find is this line from the transcript thread and it doesn't specifically say it either.




Still sounds like he is saying he left for their sake to me. Then again maybe I am being a butt about the whole thing.


I hadn't seen that, Thanks for finding it. And no I don't think you are just being a butt about it. It does sound like he is saying at least part of the reason he left was to benefit the young guys.

I would say though that maybe it is the truth or at least the way he saw it and maybe if it is true we should look up to him a bit more for his obvious sacrifice. However, I don't think the only reason he left was to benefit Randall Cobb. It may have been part of the reason or it may just be his justification for leaving but I don't believe he would be that altruistic. I don't believe anyone would in the NFL or in any other professional sport.

Even if he had the best concerns of the others at heart it doesn't sound good to say it. Its like one of those instances where you do something nice for someone but you make sure everyone else knows you did it.

The only other thing I would caution anyone about is reading too much into these comments. They are off the cuff as they do not know which questions are coming. I'm sure everyone has been in a situation where someone asks your opinion and you give it only to think later that maybe you should have said it in some other way. Still, even poorly worded comments generally don't come out of the blue. Unless people have some prior knowledge of what the questions will be most of their answers will have a degree of truth in them. I do think that Jennings believes his departure from Green Bay will help Cobb and the others in some way. Of course that is no surprise as I think every other person with any knowledge of football was thinking pretty much the same thing.

As for that being THE reason he left, I don't think so and to suggest it is opens him up to criticisms like you (wpr) have and I can't say I disagree with you.

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