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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:18:44 AM(UTC)
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JerseyAl wrote:
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#2 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:09:51 AM(UTC)
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Don't forget about WINNING games without Cobb and Jones for what, two weeks? And Finley for a week and a half?
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#3 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:53:20 AM(UTC)
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injuries happen. That is nobody's fault (unless it is due to not properly stretching. ;)
Not having the proper backups when injuries occur can be Uncle Teddy's fault. The disclaimer is you can have quality backups 4 deep at every position. They do need depth at the the key positions. QB is certainly one of the key spots. Ted has failed monumentally here. Has for years but it didn't bite him in the butt until now.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:09:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
injuries happen. That is nobody's fault (unless it is due to not properly stretching. ;)
Not having the proper backups when injuries occur can be Uncle Teddy's fault. The disclaimer is you can have quality backups 4 deep at every position. They do need depth at the the key positions. QB is certainly one of the key spots. Ted has failed monumentally here. Has for years but it didn't bite him in the butt until now.


Losing one game with a backup QB that was not lost exclusively because of the backup QB != Monumental failure. Give Seneca at least a full (shorter due to the Monday night game) week with the starters before proclaiming failure.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:32:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Losing one game with a backup QB that was not lost exclusively because of the backup QB != Monumental failure. Give Seneca at least a full (shorter due to the Monday night game) week with the starters before proclaiming failure.


It is my opinion. I am waiting to see if I am right (I hope not.) or wrong. I don't have to wait 3,4,5 weeks before I give my opinion.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:05:16 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
injuries happen. That is nobody's fault (unless it is due to not properly stretching. ;)
Not having the proper backups when injuries occur can be Uncle Teddy's fault. The disclaimer is you can have quality backups 4 deep at every position. They do need depth at the the key positions. QB is certainly one of the key spots. Ted has failed monumentally here. Has for years but it didn't bite him in the butt until now.


WHAT!?

Ted has failed monumentally to stock this team with depth!? LOL

Dumbest thing I've ever seen on this site.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:07:25 PM(UTC)
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WHAT!?

Ted has failed monumentally to stock this team with depth!? LOL

Dumbest thing I've ever seen on this site.


can you read nermann? I was talking about the QB position.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:49:04 PM(UTC)
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I'm not sure if I like the idea of blaming injuries. Its like blaming the refs. Acknowledge your teams failure on the field and move on.

The Bears were without Cutler and Briggs and Melton and a few other guys and they won the game.

All teams have injuries and while it is great to win despite them blaming them for losses is not much more than whining and making up excuses and we all know how much we hate it when fans of other team whine and make up excuses.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:59:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
I'm not sure if I like the idea of blaming injuries. Its like blaming the refs. Acknowledge your teams failure on the field and move on.

The Bears were without Cutler and Briggs and Melton and a few other guys and they won the game.

All teams have injuries and while it is great to win despite them blaming them for losses is not much more than whining and making up excuses and we all know how much we hate it when fans of other team whine and make up excuses.


The one flaw with your injury statement about The Bears is that it was probably a + for them that Cutler missed The Packers game, given his history against The Pack. Laughing Laughing

He is always good for 2 or 3 picks when Playing The Packers.

I do agree there is no sense in whining about injuries, not gonna change a thing.

Just gonna support the guys who are on the field this week and hope they have enough to win.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:36:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
can you read nermann? I was talking about the QB position.


I like Seneca better than Harrell.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:43:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
I like Seneca better than Harrell.


That's like saying "i like getting kicked in the left testicle instead of the right one".
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#12 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:02:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
The one flaw with your injury statement about The Bears is that it was probably a + for them that Cutler missed The Packers game, given his history against The Pack. Laughing Laughing

He is always good for 2 or 3 picks when Playing The Packers.



Yeah, I thought of that. He was probably ready to play
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#13 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:09:12 PM(UTC)
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Ted's never been anywhere near perfect, nor has any other GM. However, I still wouldn't trade him for many other GM's in the NFL. The guy consistently puts a unit together that has a chance to win every week, and was looking like a true Super Bowl contender before Rodgers went down. That's the results of a very good general manager.

If Aaron Rodgers can come back healthy relatively soon and the Packers squeak into the playoffs (which will probably be the case), the Packers will be poised to make a deep run, and could very likely win another Super Bowl. It could be better, sure, but other than the injuries, it's hard to complain. There's not many teams, if any, I'd rather have than the Packers, especially now that it has one of the best rushing attacks in the league.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:18:49 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
I like Seneca better than Harrell.


So one sucky QB replacing another sucky QB gets kudos from you?
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#15 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:53:12 PM(UTC)
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My contention is that the Packers overall other than QB are a well below average team. Ted Thompson made them that way. Aaron Rodgers made up for a whole lot of mediocrity - O Line, much of the defense, RB until this season, etc.

You could say that Thompson was delinquent and got away with it having Harrell as the backup. However, instead of upgrading, he severely downgraded with Seneca Wallace - and make no mistake, Wallace is total crap even compared to Harrell.

I would love to find out Sunday afternoon that I'm wrong, and Seneca Wallace is capable of a decent game, but I just don't think that is possible. All the practice reps, all the designer gameplanning, etc. ain't gonna make up for his non-NFL arm, his lack of height, and his lack of speed - supposedly his only strength, but it sure didn't look that way.
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#16 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2013 7:43:33 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post

You could say that Thompson was delinquent and got away with it having Harrell as the backup. However, instead of upgrading, he severely downgraded with Seneca Wallace - and make no mistake, Wallace is total crap even compared to Harrell.



See stuff like this is what makes your opinion on this matter a complete joke. There is literally no evidence to back up that claim. Nor do you even attempt to provide any. Harrell has a weak arm himself and less mobility and 0 game experience. He's done absolutely nothing in his career to make anybody think he is a significant upgrade to Wallace.
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#17 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2013 7:46:48 AM(UTC)
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See stuff like this is what makes your opinion on this matter a complete joke. There is literally no evidence to back up that claim. Nor do you even attempt to provide any. Harrell has a weak arm himself and less mobility and 0 game experience.


And you actually think piece of shit Wallace is better than that? Come on! I was no fan of Harrell, but even he was clearly better than Wallace.

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#18 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2013 7:50:08 AM(UTC)
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And you actually think piece of sh!t Wallace is better than that? Come on! I was no fan of Harrell, but even he was clearly better than Wallace.



No he wasn't "clearly" better than anybody because he's never played.

You sound like someone who has a personal beef with Wallace for whatever reason so you are sensationalizing everything you say about him. What's so hard about just making reasonable statements about the guy? I get if you don't think he's good by all means let us know but saying something like "Wallace is worse than if you broke both of Joe Theismans legs and put him out there with no o-line and Ahmad Carroll as his only WR" makes it hard for anybody to take your opinion seriously.
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
No he wasn't "clearly" better than anybody because he's never played.

You sound like someone who has a personal beef with Wallace for whatever reason so you are sensationalizing everything you say about him. What's so hard about just making reasonable statements about the guy? I get if you don't think he's good by all means let us know but saying something like "Wallace is worse than if you broke both of Joe Theismans legs and put him out there with no o-line and Ahmad Carroll as his only WR" makes it hard for anybody to take your opinion seriously.


Ahmad Carroll didn't play WR - or was that you're point hahaha?

I said upfront, my beef with Wallace if you want to call it that is that we cut 3 better QBs in order to keep him. You saw him play on Monday; And yes, we did see Harrell in preseason anyway. Harrell wasn't much, but he sure as hell was NOT as bad as Wallace. And Vince Young - irrelevant now - was head and shoulders better (not to mention taller). The relevant comparison now is Tolzien - who I haven't seen since Wisconsin, but I'd bet is a lot better, and maybe Flynn - whose quality depends on the rumors of injury. And the fact that those are the ONLY choices, THAT is on Ted Thompson - in addition to the fact that outside of Aaron Rodgers, Ted Thompson has not really put together much of a team.

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#20 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2013 8:21:23 AM(UTC)
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How can you think Ted hasn't put together much of a team when they almost won a game with one of the worst QBs in the league playing the whole thing?

Not only did he play the whole thing he even threw a decent amount of passes during it.
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#21 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2013 8:40:36 AM(UTC)
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How can you think Ted hasn't put together much of a team when they almost won a game with one of the worst QBs in the league playing the whole thing?

Not only did he play the whole thing he even threw a decent amount of passes during it.


Who? Ted? Oh you mean Wallace hahahaha. I say again, I HOPE he proves me wrong, and I have to eat my words Sunday, but I just don't think Wallace has an NFL arm capable of either quality passing or forcing the defense to not load up against the run.

And IF we had a decent O Line, whoever the QB is, he wouldn't have to run for his life every time he tries to throw; And IF we had a better defense, we wouldn't need God knows how many points to win - last game, next game, and for the past couple of years.

Did you notice how the Bears rebuilt their O Line - 4 of 5 newcomers since last season? The Cowboys have done basically the same, and maybe a few other teams I'm less familiar with. And look what we have. You can say injuries, but Bulaga was bad before his injury last season. Defense? Maybe we stack up pretty good against the worst teams, but not even close to the best.

All that is on Ted Thompson.

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#22 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2013 8:47:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Did you notice how the Bears rebuilt their O Line - 4 of 5 newcomers since last season?


You can say injuries, but Bulaga was bad before his injury last season. Defense? Maybe we stack up pretty good against the worst teams, but not even close to the best.

All that is on Ted Thompson.


It's said everything starts at the line, right?

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Passing Offense = 6th
Rushing Offense = 2nd
Points For = 29.0 (3rd)



I'm far from being a Bryan Bugala apologist, but reports were he was dominating at the LT position until he got injured.
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#23 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2013 8:55:28 AM(UTC)
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It's said everything starts at the line, right?

Total Offense = 2nd
Passing Offense = 6th
Rushing Offense = 2nd
Points For = 29.0 (3rd)



I'm far from being a Bryan Bugala apologist, but reports were he was dominating at the LT position until he got injured.


Chalk up ALL those good stats - even the rushing offense - to Aaron Rodgers - and the need for opponents to try and stop him.

Whatever about Bulaga, but I can't recall a game maybe ever where he had the amount of time Brady or Brees or basically most QBs you can name had. He was literally always hurried and throwing on the run - and still doing it better than anybody else maybe in history.

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#24 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2013 8:59:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Chalk up ALL those good stats - even the rushing offense - to Aaron Rodgers - and the need for opponents to try and stop him.

Whatever about Bulaga, but I can't recall a game maybe ever where he had the amount of time Brady or Brees or basically most QBs you can name had. He was literally always hurried and throwing on the run - and still doing it better than anybody else maybe in history.



No he literally wasn't. You are sensationalizing again. The line hasn't been that bad at all.
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#25 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2013 9:39:06 AM(UTC)
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Texas doesn't like Wallace, because he's BLACK.

Vince Young is fine, because to a guy like Texas, that's what black QBs are. All physical skills, no brains. So to Texas, that dude is just fine.

But a black QB who's relying on smarts!? Oh no!

Guess what. Seneca will be fine. Let him get some reps.
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