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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 7, 2008 11:10:34 PM(UTC)

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[img_r]http://cmsimg.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=U0&Date=20081007&Category=PKR01&ArtNo=81007152&Ref=AR&Profile=1058&MaxW=318&Border=0[/img_r]Even if Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila were a minimum-salary player, he probably would not be giving the Green Bay Packers their moneys worth.

Considering the ninth-year veteran defensive end is their highest-paid player in terms of base salary this season and has the highest 2008 salary-cap number of any player on their roster, the Packers probably cannot be anything but disappointed in Gbaja-Biamilas production.

Already reduced to a part-time role last season when he posted 9 sacks this year Gbaja-Biamila has been a virtual nonfactor. In five games, the Packers career sack leader (74) has only half a sack to his credit. It came in Week 2 against Detroit in a game in which the Packers sacked the immobile Jon Kitna five times.

Whats more, Gbaja-Biamilas snap counts have dwindled. After playing 30 snaps in the opener against Minnesota and 27 against the Lions, he played a season-low nine snaps against the Dallas Cowboys in Week 3. His snap count spiked to 23 the next week at Tampa Bay, but he played just 13 plays in Sundays loss to Atlanta.

Forget sacks. His last quarterback pressure came in the third quarter against the Lions. That means he hasnt come close to touching a quarterback in the last 13 quarters. Thats not exactly what most teams would expect from a pass-rush specialist with a base salary of $6.15 million and a salary-cap figure of $7.727 million.

The Packers are stuck paying Gbaja-Biamila for the entire season, so theres no incentive to cut him. Unless he makes a major contribution in the final 11 games, it would seem unlikely he would return next season at his 2009 base salary of $7.3 million.

His troubles began in the offseason when he underwent knee surgery in May after he experienced pain and swelling during workouts. After the surgery, he missed all organized team activities, the June minicamp and most of training camp.

Coach Mike McCarthy did not list Gbaja-Biamila on the injury report last week, the first time this season he has not done so, but McCarthy said Monday that the knee injury and a lingering ankle problem remain a factor.

His knee and his ankle are things that he has been fighting through, McCarthy said. But hes doing a great job as far as the extra time and work that he is putting into it.

Carl Hairston, who coaches the Packers defensive ends, disputed the notion that Gbaja-Biamila has run out of steam.

That guy, no, Hairston said. That guy could practice all day, but Mike has done a good job trying to keep him healthy, so no, I dont see that.

Gbaja-Biamila showed some signs of life on Sunday against the Falcons. He got decent push twice and once had a hand up near quarterback Matt Ryan, but it didnt affect the pass.

The 6-foot-4, 249-pound Gbaja-Biamila has long been known for his speed rush, and some of his burst appeared to return against the Falcons.

Hes not as explosive as he used to be, Hairston said. Its going to take a little time and repetitions to get that back. Hes increased his workload. Hes now practicing Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, so its just a matter of him getting his knee and ankle back to full strength so he can have confidence in what he used to do.

Once against the Falcons, he timed his move perfectly with the snap and got a good jump but couldnt get around the corner.

Thats what he doesnt have right now, Hairston said. Eventually, after we work more on it in practice, that will come back.

Given that Gbaja-Biamila is 32, theres reason to wonder whether it will.

Yeah, hes still got it, Hairston said. But he depends on his knee bend to get around the corner, and right now he doesnt have that. Its just a matter of the other things working for him and getting those things turned around. I think as this goes on, hell get better.

Gbaja-Biamila isnt the only one on the defensive line struggling with his pass rush. The Packers will take a streak of 10 straight quarters without a sack into Sundays game at Seattle.

Not only did they go sackless against the Falcons, they registered just one hit on Ryan. The Falcons often kept two running backs in the backfield on passing downs and used those backs to chip Gbaja-Biamila and fellow defensive end Aaron Kampman. The Falcons also were able to keep their third-down situations in manageable distances, which allowed them to make short, quick throws before the rush could arrive.

Weve got to get in some longer situations, defensive coordinator Bob Sanders said. The balls coming out quick. Theyre chipping occasionally here or there. Kabeers had a couple of pretty good rushes, but the ball came out. The rush and the coverage go together.



I've always personally like KGB, but I think its time to trade or let him go. He's not getting younger, or healthy and is not effective anymore. When teams see him on the line, they audible to a run to his side and get a first down.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:12:17 AM(UTC)

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it plain s-u-c-k-s
Offline Pack93z  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:29:51 AM(UTC)

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Is he healthy yet.. nope.

If you kept him on the roster the first week and vested his salary.. all you can do hope that he gets healthy and contributes.

Cut him... you get no chance of a return. Trade him.. whom is going to give you anything for him and take on his salary.

Hindsight.. probably should have released him and kept another DT on the roster.. but currently options are limited.

I guess you could ask him to reduce his salary although he played for peanuts for the first couple of years and outproduced his salary.. never complained.. just worked the restricted market correctly.. I am sure he would reduce it. :lol:

We kept him and now we have to ride it out. Offseason.. I am with you.. either he shows more or dump him.
Offline evad04  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 8, 2008 2:04:10 AM(UTC)

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He's had more action against passing teams -- i.e. Detroit. When we played Dallas they ran all over us -- not KGB's strong suit. When we played Minnesota, they had the run game going. Same with Atlanta.

Just playin' Devil's Advocate here.

I recognize this guy hasn't done a lot so far this year. Hopefully if we can force more third down passing situations he'll rise to the occasion.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 8, 2008 2:21:54 AM(UTC)

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He's had more action against passing teams -- i.e. Detroit. When we played Dallas they ran all over us -- not KGB's strong suit. When we played Minnesota, they had the run game going. Same with Atlanta.

Just playin' Devil's Advocate here.

I recognize this guy hasn't done a lot so far this year. Hopefully if we can force more third down passing situations he'll rise to the occasion.


That is an excellent point, maybe tomorrow I will look into some stats to see how he is affected
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 8, 2008 3:02:22 AM(UTC)

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He's had more action against passing teams -- i.e. Detroit. When we played Dallas they ran all over us -- not KGB's strong suit. When we played Minnesota, they had the run game going. Same with Atlanta.

Just playin' Devil's Advocate here.

I recognize this guy hasn't done a lot so far this year. Hopefully if we can force more third down passing situations he'll rise to the occasion.


That is an excellent point, maybe tomorrow I will look into some stats to see how he is affected

One thing is for certain: the only Packer who was consistently pressuring the quarterback is now gone for the year. Until next year, Cullen. :(
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 8, 2008 2:09:37 PM(UTC)

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I love articles that state the obvious.
Offline MassPackersFan  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, October 8, 2008 2:31:04 PM(UTC)

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I was never happy with that massive contract extension. I wish I had been wrong about it.
Offline zombieslayer  
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 9, 2008 1:34:45 PM(UTC)

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Urgh!

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The Packers will take a streak of 10 straight quarters without a sack into Sundays game at Seattle.


Reading this, is this really a KGB problem or a team problem? It may be the latter.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, October 9, 2008 3:05:22 PM(UTC)

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Urgh!

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The Packers will take a streak of 10 straight quarters without a sack into Sundays game at Seattle.


Reading this, is this really a KGB problem or a team problem? It may be the latter.

It is a team problem..........but KGB obviously isn't getting his job done.
Along with the rest of the D line.
Offline chibiabo  
#11 Posted : Thursday, October 9, 2008 3:19:21 PM(UTC)

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Urgh!

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The Packers will take a streak of 10 straight quarters without a sack into Sundays game at Seattle.


Reading this, is this really a KGB problem or a team problem? It may be the latter.

It is a team problem..........but KGB obviously isn't getting his job done.
Along with the rest of the D line.


:magnifyglass: Yup Perhaps a Sanders problem as well but, we do need some really heavy suits on that "D" line with an eagerness to push into the opposing QB. Once more, I'll say, lack of fire and intensity; way too many errors.
Offline Packnic  
#12 Posted : Thursday, October 9, 2008 3:32:46 PM(UTC)

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I agree that Sanders should spice it up. But he is running a system, and KGB just isnt getting the job done. plain and simple. If guys would do their jobs... sacks would come.


KGB blows.
Offline hosemeoff  
#13 Posted : Thursday, October 9, 2008 3:35:17 PM(UTC)

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Not only did they go sackless against the Falcons

Understatement of the day! Come on D-Line. Play like you got a pair!
Offline luigis  
#14 Posted : Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:12:24 PM(UTC)

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I believe the only reason why KGB is still on the roster is because we couldn't trade him in the offseason, maybe Ted Thompson is trying to improve KGB's market value looking to get something from him. So far the umpires have played better than KGB for the packers at least one of them deflected a pass.

Luis
Offline zombieslayer  
#15 Posted : Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:23:42 PM(UTC)

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Weird. KGB is being singled out because he was getting a high salary, even though the whole DL is doing poorly.

Yet, when I singled out Ryan Grant for poor performance after getting a big raise, someone said I was being like the New York Yankees and basing everything off money.

Go figure.
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