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TheKanataThrilla  
#1 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:31:25 PM(UTC)
Not pinning this loss on Tolzien, but I just think it couldn't hurt to see if Flynn can give us a spark.
nerdmann  
#2 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:32:14 PM(UTC)
TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
Not pinning this loss on Tolzien, but I just think it couldn't hurt to see if Flynn can give us a spark.


No way. Tolzien is the man.
beast  
#3 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:53:26 PM(UTC)


I think Mike McCarthy will take a look at Flynn in practice but I'm guessing Mike McCarthy will stick with Tolzien.

Though I do have to wonder if Flynn might of won that game... I mean Tolzien did well other than two rookie type mistakes and a great play by the DE. Flynn might not of made those mistakes. But is Flynn 100% and is he the same old Flynn? If so he might get a look this week, if not he's probably not going to.
Zero2Cool  
#4 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:03:40 PM(UTC)
Aaron Rodgers will be starting.
packerfanoutwest  
#5 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:10:46 PM(UTC)
TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
Not pinning this loss on Tolzien, but I just think it couldn't hurt to see if Flynn can give us a spark.


Take that clipboard out of McCarthy's hand and let a real play caller, call the game. This loss is on the HC. He is a frickin idiot. Time and time again, when the running game is working, he decides to throw the ball when close to the endzone. Today was just the opposite, the running game was not working so he starts to throw the ball and it was working, then he gives it back to the running game which failed big time

As far as your thought about putting in Flynn is asinine.Tolzien did great. McCrappy is the one who put the pressure on Tolzien

And where is any emotion on this team. They all look like deer in the headlights
nerdmann  
#6 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:23:13 PM(UTC)
packerfanoutwest said: Go to Quoted Post
Take that clipboard out of McCarthy's hand and let a real play caller, call the game. This loss is on the HC. He is a frickin idiot. Time and time again, when the running game is working, he decides to throw the ball when close to the endzone. Today was just the opposite, the running game was not working so he starts to throw the ball and it was working, then he gives it back to the running game which failed big time

As far as your thought about putting in Flynn is asinine.Tolzien did great. McCrappy is the one who put the pressure on Tolzien

And where is any emotion on this team. They all look like deer in the headlights


When Pierre Paul publicly states in the press that he knew what play was coming and that's how he got the pick six, that should tell you all you need to know.
DoddPower  
#7 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:58:36 PM(UTC)
packerfanoutwest said: Go to Quoted Post
Tolzien did great.


If that's your definition of "great," you have very low standards. Yes, Tolzien made some nice throws, but he also made some horrible decisions, which essentially made him break even, at best. Moving the ball well doesn't mean much if you can't capitalize and score touch downs. It's certainly not all on Tolzien by any means, but he has to play MUCH better if the Packers are to ever win a game with him as the quarterback. Especially since the defense sucks.

dyeah_gb  
#8 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:25:16 PM(UTC)
DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
If that's your definition of "great," you have very low standards. Yes, Tolzien made some nice throws, but he also made some horrible decisions, which essentially made him break even, at best. Moving the ball well doesn't mean much if you can't capitalize and score touch downs. It's certainly not all on Tolzien by any means, but he has to play MUCH better if the Packers are to ever win a game with him as the quarterback. Especially since the defense sucks.



Agreed. I would not say that Tolzien sucked but there were definite flaws with his execution. Still interested to see him grow (ideally as a backup).
schroeder84  
#9 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:06:33 PM(UTC)
I don't know enough about Flynn's current condition to comment on his ability to start. Tolzien was OK - not great, but showed signs he could be a decent backup. Personally I'm not ready to trash the guy yet since he had some very good moments, as well as some bad moments, but he has so very little experience - no training camp, running the scout offense until 2 weeks ago.

I was very surprised to see how many runs were attempted in the red zone when they weren't working anywhere else. I didn't see that as a way to set Tolzien and the team up for success in scoring TDs. It's was kinda brutal to watch actually.
Gaycandybacon  
#10 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:21:28 PM(UTC)
dyeah_gb said: Go to Quoted Post
Agreed. I would not say that Tolzien sucked but there were definite flaws with his execution. Still interested to see him grow (ideally as a backup).


I like him more than Harrell or Coleman. He's pretty much them combined. Full offseason with McCarthy and he could be pretty damn good. Played 2 games and ending up with 1 TD 5 INT is not good. But he gives me hope for a backup next year. Think his problem is he is a super gun slinger. Forces to many passes. He needs to learn if it's not there don't throw it. Obviously we were down all game, but he needs to be aware of these things. One thing Wallace did to well (except Peppers pick) was take care of the ball for the most part.
nerdmann  
#11 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:36:26 PM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
I like him more than Harrell or Coleman. He's pretty much them combined. Full offseason with McCarthy and he could be pretty damn good. Played 2 games and ending up with 1 TD 5 INT is not good. But he gives me hope for a backup next year. Think his problem is he is a super gun slinger. Forces to many passes. He needs to learn if it's not there don't throw it. Obviously we were down all game, but he needs to be aware of these things. One thing Wallace did to well (except Peppers pick) was take care of the ball for the most part.


I thought the problem with him was that they were being overly conservative until it was way too late. Bamming Lacy into the line for 1.8 per carry all day was only serving to put Tolzien into repeated third and long situation.

When they unleashed Tolzien down the field, he looked quite good imo. The JPP INT was one of those idiotic, annoying short passes.

With an offseason "Mike McCarthy QB School" under his belt, the sky's the limit. Doesn't seem real agile as far as scrambling, but he can move around. His arm is stronger than billed. He's apparently willing to work hard and study. And he also put this loss all on his own shoulders after the game, so he's apparently a stand up dude.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:39:34 PM(UTC)
Tolzien is fine for another game until Rodgers is healthy and for the rest of the year. But I fully expect to have Flynn continue to be the backup going into next season. It is the perfect job for him ala Doug Pederson back in Favre's day.
beast  
#13 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:48:08 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
I thought the problem with him was that they were being overly conservative until it was way too late. Bamming Lacy into the line for 1.8 per carry all day was only serving to put Tolzien into repeated third and long situation.

When they unleashed Tolzien down the field, he looked quite good imo. The JPP INT was one of those idiotic, annoying short passes.

With an offseason "Mike McCarthy QB School" under his belt, the sky's the limit. Doesn't seem real agile as far as scrambling, but he can move around. His arm is stronger than billed. He's apparently willing to work hard and study. And he also put this loss all on his own shoulders after the game, so he's apparently a stand up dude.


Getting some QB schooling could do a lot for him, then again it's not like he's a rookie, he's already got a couple years of NFL QB schooling from the 49ers who have a pretty good O coach themselves (and might be the reason he looks as good as he does now). So Mike McCarthy schooling could do a lot for him, or might do very little. But I agree with others than say he's better than the back-ups we started the year with.


Also it seemed like Tolzien was best throwing the deep ball and not having read the field as much. I wonder if the Packers might be able to spread the field and play a scheme like the Eagles have at times.

Meaning spread the field and run a lot of deep routes. The OL would have to hold up enough for that, but if they get a defense on their heels just a bit with it, then that should open up the running game which IF they get that going again should open up the deep passes even more. High risk, high reward, but it makes the field more simple which can help a QB trying to read the field if they have enough time.

DoddPower  
#14 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:16:32 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
The JPP INT was one of those idiotic, annoying short passes.


I thought you loved those "high percentage" passes?
steveishere  
#15 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:29:14 PM(UTC)
Tolzien made some decent throws but the loss is on him more than any other individual. He did not have a good overall game at all. As a back up QB you have to protect the ball. It doesn't matter how many good plays he made when his mistakes were so crucial they didn't even give the team a chance.
Cheesey  
#16 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:38:01 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers will be starting.


I wish that was true. I think it's the only
way the Packers have any chance of winning.

Adrian Peterson will run the ball down out
lousy defense's throats.
Glorydays  
#17 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 4:23:50 AM(UTC)
Can Flynn play safety? Where is Nick Collins? Better yet, can anyone remove Capers cranial cavity from his rectum?
packerfanoutwest  
#18 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 5:07:25 AM(UTC)
ok .Tolzien was not great, bad choice of word. But at the same time most of you are putting the blame on a qb who just came off the practice squad 2 weeks ago.
VinceLambeauStarr  
#19 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 6:42:38 AM(UTC)
God, I miss Aaron Rodgers.

:-( Makes me realize how good we have it as fans, especially over the past four years.

To the question...

It's make it or break it time. The next two/three weeks decides if we get to the playoffs. If Aaron Rodgers misses the next three weeks, we desperately need a win or two so he isn't left with an unassailable deficit.

Which leads me to believe :-

Tolzien should suit up again. The offense as a whole should continue pressing with ways to get the ball into the endzone. He seems a couple of tweaks away from being a serviceable backup.


Zero2Cool  
#20 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 7:05:40 AM(UTC)
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Number of Green Bay starting quarterbacks over last three games: 3 (Aaron Rodgers, Seneca Wallace, Scott Tolzien).

Number of Green Bay starting quarterbacks over previous 371 games: 3 (Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn).
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