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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 5:15:48 AM(UTC)
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Mike Mazzeo wrote:
NEW YORK -- Scott Tolzien made too many mistakes in his first NFL start.

And the Green Bay Packers' third-string quarterback accepted responsibility for all of them.

Tolzien, who finished 24-of-34 passing, threw three interceptions in Green Bay's 27-13 loss to the New York Giants on Sunday afternoon at MetLife Stadium.

"Three turnovers, that's the bottom line. Those are killers," Tolzien said. "The guys work too hard, and that's on me completely.
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#2 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 6:07:50 AM(UTC)
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Mike mccarthy and seneca wallace weren't the ones throwing the ball. Kind of hard to blame anyone else!
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#3 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 6:15:30 AM(UTC)
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Mike mccarthy and seneca wallace weren't the ones throwing the ball. Kind of hard to blame anyone else!


Dude came off the PS two weeks ago. Hasn't even been through an offseason QB school.

I'm more harsh on the DBs who don't know who to cover. And the guys calling the plays.
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#4 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 6:16:09 AM(UTC)
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According to ESPN Stats & Information, he completed all six of his passes thrown at least 15 yards downfield. It was just the fourth time since the start of the 2006 season that a quarterback went 6-of-6 or better on such throws in a game.
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#5 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 7:06:57 AM(UTC)
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Dude came off the PS two weeks ago. Hasn't even been through an offseason QB school.

I'm more harsh on the DBs who don't know who to cover. And the guys calling the plays.


I'm just saying there isn't anyone else you can point the finger at. He threw the ball, he gets the blame. My comments are more directed at how obvious the article is.

I actually have some hope for him to be honest. He has an arm.

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#6 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 7:12:38 AM(UTC)
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He will make for a very effective back up sooner rather than later, but for now, he is not a good starting quarterback. We have two divisional games in 5 days coming up. We need to win them and we need Aaron Rodgers to win games.
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#7 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 7:14:19 AM(UTC)
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I think his performance shows the very thin line between being Jekyll or Hyde as a signal caller.

He throws well, shoot if you were showing highlights sans those three throws you'd think he was one of the better quarterbacks in the league. But it's those areas, the ones that matter the most that ultimately tell the story. Tolzien is talented, but inexperienced and along with that comes silly mistakes.

He doesn't seem to have any major arm strength or accuracy issues though.

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#8 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 7:20:00 AM(UTC)
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Maybe Tolzien should just bomb it all day.
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#9 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 7:23:08 AM(UTC)
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I was thinking that but it is asking a lot from our interior linemen. His most glaring need for improvement I and some of the media see is his release point. It needs to be higher.
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#10 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 8:46:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: musccy Go to Quoted Post
I'm just saying there isn't anyone else you can point the finger at. He threw the ball, he gets the blame. My comments are more directed at how obvious the article is.

I actually have some hope for him to be honest. He has an arm.



Well, there is others to blame. On a quick pass the Oline is suppose to keep the defenders hands down. If Bakhtiari had done his job, that ball never should have been Intercepted. On the 3rd INT, pressure got to him and his arm was hit when he tried to throw, which forced him to reset.

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#11 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 9:46:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04 Go to Quoted Post
Maybe Tolzien should just bomb it all day.


If there's 9 in the box, by all means throw it over their heads.
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#12 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 9:47:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Well, there is others to blame. On a quick pass the Oline is suppose to keep the defenders hands down. If Bakhtiari had done his job, that ball never should have been Intercepted. On the 3rd INT, pressure got to him and his arm was hit when he tried to throw, which forced him to reset.



Not only that but JPP called that play out in the huddle before it happened. Easy pick six, for which Mike should take at least part of the blame.
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#13 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 9:51:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Well, there is others to blame. On a quick pass the Oline is suppose to keep the defenders hands down. If Bakhtiari had done his job, that ball never should have been Intercepted. On the 3rd INT, pressure got to him and his arm was hit when he tried to throw, which forced him to reset.


Offensive Linemen on pass protection are on their heals, not their toes. So when the DL drops back, you want the OL to chase after him? The LT didn't do anything worth blame here. You have five OL they are supposed to form a pocket.

Maybe I didn't get a good view of the play, but it just looked like Jason Pierre-Paul knew the play, laid off his pass rush, grabbed the ball out of the air and walked into the endzone. That is on the quarterback.


I do not know why so many want to make excuses for a quarterback. Blows my mind.
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#14 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 9:56:50 AM(UTC)
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I'm liking Tolzien as a probable future back up. He has the arm for an NFL QB and with this experience under his belt as well as an off-season program, he should be a lot better come next year (if needed, knock on wood).

I am really hoping the Packers continue to play him and start him at Minnesota. He threw three interceptions and you can really only blame him for two. If he settles down after breaking away from the sack late in the game, he could potentially make a better pass. These are things he will become better at through time and practice.

Newhouse should accept some blame on his interceptions since Tolzien was rushed both times by his man unblocked.
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#15 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 10:51:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Offensive Linemen on pass protection are on their heals, not their toes. So when the DL drops back, you want the OL to chase after him? The LT didn't do anything worth blame here. You have five OL they are supposed to form a pocket.

Maybe I didn't get a good view of the play, but it just looked like Jason Pierre-Paul knew the play, laid off his pass rush, grabbed the ball out of the air and walked into the endzone. That is on the quarterback.


I do not know why so many want to make excuses for a quarterback. Blows my mind.


Normally I would agree. But not on that play. It wasn't just one of many options on that play. That throw was the play. the WR were already engaging in blocks. Bakhtiari didn't need to worry about pass protecting the QB. He didn't have to worry about a bull rush, or speed rush, an inside move or a twist and anything. He had 1 responsibility. Make sure the outside rusher does not get his hands up in the passing lane. Backing up and being on his heels is what allowed JPP to make a play on the ball.

Tolzein did nothing wrong on that play.
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#16 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 11:18:28 AM(UTC)
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It's accountability. You like to see this in a quarterback. We can also expect growing pains with our rookie left tackle. It is what it is.
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#17 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 1:54:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Normally I would agree. But not on that play. It wasn't just one of many options on that play. That throw was the play. the WR were already engaging in blocks. Bakhtiari didn't need to worry about pass protecting the QB. He didn't have to worry about a bull rush, or speed rush, an inside move or a twist and anything. He had 1 responsibility. Make sure the outside rusher does not get his hands up in the passing lane. Backing up and being on his heels is what allowed JPP to make a play on the ball.

Tolzein did nothing wrong on that play.


A QB has to be aware of everything on the field, especially when others aren't doing their job. He needs to be able to read that JPP is in the throwing lane and either try to pump-fake, or dive forward and live another day. Just because someone else doesn't do their job doesn't necessarily mean the play has to turn into a pick six. That type of awareness is what separates good players from great (or possibly even bad from good).
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#18 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 2:19:55 PM(UTC)
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A QB has to be aware of everything on the field, especially when others aren't doing their job. He needs to be able to read that JPP is in the throwing lane and either try to pump-fake, or dive forward and live another day. Just because someone else doesn't do their job doesn't necessarily mean the play has to turn into a pick six. That type of awareness is what separates good players from great (or possibly even bad from good).


Rodgers has had the ball batted on plays exactly like this. It is not an awareness issue. It is a pre-snap read play. There is no defender to cover the TE on this play. The QB takes the snap and has his back to the play for a quick drop, turn and throw.

If the delay on the throw, they get flagged for the WR blocking downfield.
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#19 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 2:51:19 PM(UTC)
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:49:42 AM(UTC)
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JPP was more in tune with what they play was than our own guys.
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:47:53 AM(UTC)
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Watched the play a few times. No question in my mind that is solely on the QB. Pierre-Paul didn't even try to rush. Quarterback has to recognize that and throw it away or throw it else where.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:52:19 AM(UTC)
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When the play happened my heart sank into the pit of my stomach. It's a learning experience; just hard to take during a playoff race. The best thing that happened Sunday was the Steelers beating the Lions. The importance cannot be overstated.
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