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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:01:50 PM(UTC)
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GREEN BAY—Friday will once again be decision day for the Packers on Aaron Rodgers, but judging from the quarterback’s tone of voice in a brief media session at his locker on Thursday, Rodgers isn’t expecting the decision to go his way.

Asked if he has a sense whether or not he’ll receive medical clearance to play on Sunday against Pittsburgh, Rodgers answered in rather emotionless and subdued fashion, “I have a good sense of what’s going to happen, yes.”


It was not said in a hopeful manner.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:22:41 PM(UTC)
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I don't trust this medical staff at all, I would love to know why they are holding him out. This bullshit of we don't want to lose him for the off season, really now really I can't believe I heard that today. Lets throw the season away just so Rodgers is healthy for his off season. Lets see Cobb breaks his leg and is back after 9 weeks but yet a collarbone is going to take 7 weeks and kill our Playoff hopes. I guess Ted Thompson is trying to get some trade bait out of Flynn. If we lose this week why even bring Rodgers back against the Bears?
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#3 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:39:34 PM(UTC)
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I said essentially the same thing a couple of days ago.

In the old days, there was none of this medical clearance crap. If the guy could move around and do the job and the team needed him, he played - period. It's bad enough when it's a concussion, and they have some God damned lawsuit to worry about, but a collarbone?
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#4 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:42:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
I guess Ted Thompson is trying to get some trade bait out of Flynn. If we lose this week why even bring Rodgers back against the Bears?


Fact that Matt Flynn is a free agent after this season pretty much nullifies your entire theory.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:50:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Fact that Matt Flynn is a free agent after this season pretty much nullifies your entire theory.


Nevermind that it would be hard for Flynn's stock to rise significantly higher than it is post largest comeback in Packer history with just one or two more games.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:55:31 PM(UTC)
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How's this?

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It’s tough to be so close last week and not be able to play, But we’re right in this thing, Matt is playing well, and I’m back on the practice field, so the frustration level is going down.


So close last week ... how can that not be eliminated now with the Packers playoff hopes in their own hands? Oh yeah, playoff position holds no ground on the decision.

Saving Rodgers for "next" year makes it seem like playoff opportunities are taken for granted by the organization.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:23:53 PM(UTC)
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#1. In the "old days", there were not $120mil players.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but NFL franchises have to protect these guys.
One or two bad decisions can set a franchise back 5 years.

Maybe The Packers are gambling on Matt Flynn, one more week, maybe not, I guess we will all find out tomorrow when The Official announcement is made.

I'm not very patient, but what else it there to do but wait?

Whatever happens tomorrow, there will be a game on Sunday.

That's about the only thing I am positive about at this moment.

Hopefully if it is Flynn who plays Sunday, the offense can have a little success in the 1st half.

This falling behind by 2 or 3 scores (or 4), then coming back to win, although entertaining, it is getting a little stressful.

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#8 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:40:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
I don't trust this medical staff at all, I would love to know why they are holding him out. This bullshit of we don't want to lose him for the off season, really now really I can't believe I heard that today. Lets throw the season away just so Rodgers is healthy for his off season. Lets see Cobb breaks his leg and is back after 9 weeks but yet a collarbone is going to take 7 weeks and kill our Playoff hopes. I guess Ted Thompson is trying to get some trade bait out of Flynn. If we lose this week why even bring Rodgers back against the Bears?


I'm not sure what you heard today but I don't think the medical staff gives a shit about losing him for the off season or anything other than they don't think the injury is healed enough for him to play. What could they possibly have to gain by not clearing him unless you are one of the conspiracy freaks that thinks they are in on some bigger plot to keep the Packers out of the playoffs. Or perhaps you think McCarthy or maybe Thompson or someone is secretly instructing the doctors not to clear him (which could be a possibility) In that case they would be following their boss's instructions.

There are a lot of people, some medically trained and some not who have always felt that Rodgers was done for the season. These are people who had no inside information or other first hand knowledge of the injury. They are basing their opinions on the nature of the the injury that is a fractured collarbone. If they can have this opinion is is so much of a stretch to think that maybe, just maybe, the injury is not healed enough to allow him to play.

I am sure they are tired of Rodgers and perhaps McCarthy and maybe even Thompson and who know who else that are clamoring for them to clear him. If they were going be considered untrustworthy they would cave to the pressure rather than stand up to it.

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#9 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:41:39 PM(UTC)
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You guys HAVE to click the link above in the first post and watch the video of Aaron Rodgers. He's deflecting all questions to McCarthy. When asked what needs to be seen medically for him to get clearance via medical, ask McCarthy. And then McCarthy says Rodgers looks ready to play.

I think this is all setting up as a poker face. Make Steelers believe Rodgers will be out there and then trot out Flynn for the win.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:44:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mi_keys Go to Quoted Post
Nevermind that it would be hard for Flynn's stock to rise significantly higher than it is post largest comeback in Packer history with just one or two more games.


Yeah, for his stock to rise he would probably have to throw for 460 yards and 6 TDs against a divisional opponent in the last game of the season and we all know that is impossi...hey now there's an idea.

I respect your right to have your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it or respect you for having it.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:55:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
You guys HAVE to click the link above in the first post and watch the video of Aaron Rodgers. He's deflecting all questions to McCarthy. When asked what needs to be seen medically for him to get clearance via medical, ask McCarthy. And then McCarthy says Rodgers looks ready to play.

I think this is all setting up as a poker face. Make Steelers believe Rodgers will be out there and then trot out Flynn for the win.


That video was pretty great. Three straight answers of "that's a Mike McCarthy question". I guess I wouldn't know how to respond to the ridiculously repetitive questions either though.

I hope that no one was surprised by the fact that this whole situation wasn't resolved yesterday. I think even if they knew already what the decision was going to be, they still would've waited until the last possible moment in order to keep the Steelers guessing. It may be a long shot, but I really hope he gets cleared and plays Sunday.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:55:32 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, for his stock to rise he would probably have to throw for 460 yards and 6 TDs against a divisional opponent in the last game of the season and we all know that is impossi...hey now there's an idea.



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#13 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 5:05:12 PM(UTC)
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I'm not going to pretend to know how Aaron Rodgers' collarbone is healing. Everybody is trying to play doctor here. You can't do that. Ted Thompson is a very, very cautious man. It’s not surprising that he’d want a cautious doctor making medical decisions.

It’s not the olden days anymore. You can't compare the two. All those tough, older players are now suing the NFL for not looking out for their best interests. The NFL does not want any players 20 or 30 years from now to drop lawsuits on them. The Packers are following a precedent they’ve set along time ago. Are they rushing back Randall Cobb? Have they ever rushed back any player? This is business as usual. It’s only a bigger deal because it’s Aaron Rodgers and he means so much more to the franchise.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 5:12:45 PM(UTC)
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No retired player has ever committed suicide from lingering effects of multiple broken collar bones.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 5:33:20 PM(UTC)
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No retired player has ever committed suicide from lingering effects of multiple broken collar bones.

If you can sue over your head, you can sue over any bone in your body so long as you can prove a team mishandled your treatment. Of course, Rodgers isn’t going to sue anyone. I know that. You know that. The Packers know that. They’re setting a precedent for when a injury occurs to maybe a backup running back in 2015.

Yes, the Packers are more conservative than most teams, but that's just the nature of the current regime. Some praise them for their cautious approach to free agency. Some praise them for their cautious approach in handling injuries to Jermichael Finley and Nick Collins. Where is the Randall Cobb backlash? They take their sweet time clearing everybody. This case is just one of many in their opinion. Personally, I don't like it. I do believe in looking at things on a case-by-case basis, but it doesn’t surprise me to see Green Bay operating in this fashion.
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If you can sue over your head, you can sue over any bone in your body so long as you can prove a team mishandled your treatment.


You can break any bone? Any bone? I doubted that.. But I looked it up.

Turns out you are right. Good post.

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#17 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:41:28 PM(UTC)
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If you can sue over your head, you can sue over any bone in your body so long as you can prove a team mishandled your treatment. Of course, Rodgers isn’t going to sue anyone. I know that. You know that. The Packers know that. They’re setting a precedent for when a injury occurs to maybe a backup running back in 2015.

Yes, the Packers are more conservative than most teams, but that's just the nature of the current regime. Some praise them for their cautious approach to free agency. Some praise them for their cautious approach in handling injuries to Jermichael Finley and Nick Collins. Where is the Randall Cobb backlash? They take their sweet time clearing everybody. This case is just one of many in their opinion. Personally, I don't like it. I do believe in looking at things on a case-by-case basis, but it doesn’t surprise me to see Green Bay operating in this fashion.


Good Shrewd Observation! Even I hadn't thought of linking this medical clearance delay crap to blame for Ted Thompson, but it does make sense.

Why on earth would we get that "poker face" described, letting Pittsburgh think Rodgers will play, then having Flynn start? The other way around might make sense, although I doubt the Steelers have such delicate psyches that they are affected.

Hopefully Rodgers plays, the Packers win out, and this medical clearance nonsense is a thing of the past. If he is not allowed to play, I'd like to see (but would not expect) him to spend part of his $120 million to take out some ads criticizing the idiocy of the league (and you know who in particular) for being so ridiculously hypercautious. Protect him for the off-season? Come on!

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#18 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:44:15 PM(UTC)
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I think we have found out why Rodgers hasn't been cleared.


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Some injuries can be played with, some cannot. A collarbone is one that cannot be, not today, not 20 years ago. It only takes 7 lbs of pressure to break a completely healthy collarbone. If the bone is not completely healed, it only takes a fraction of that to re-break it. Any fall on that shoulder would be likely to re-break it, and have the break be even more severe.


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I think we have found out why Rodgers hasn't been cleared.


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Some injuries can be played with, some cannot. A collarbone is one that cannot be, not today, not 20 years ago. It only takes 7 lbs of pressure to break a completely healthy collarbone. If the bone is not completely healed, it only takes a fraction of that to re-break it. Any fall on that shoulder would be likely to re-break it, and have the break be even more severe.



Then I guess he better not fall on that shoulder.

If it's 90% healed, then it takes 6.3 pounds of pressure, right? It took him how many years as a starter and how many hits for one of them to be 7 pounds, causing the break? I believe this is his 5th season as a starter. Lets say he takes about 4 hits a game - maybe 300 in his career - is that a fair assumption? So if the collarbone is 90% healed, then it can be assumed it would take around 4 years and 270 or so hits before it gets rebroke. Even the Packer O-Line that Ted Thompson has given us isn't that bad.

Isn't math fun? You can support so many ideas with it.
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Then I guess he better not fall on that shoulder.

If it's 90% healed, then it takes 6.3 pounds of pressure, right? It took him how many years as a starter and how many hits for one of them to be 7 pounds, causing the break? I believe this is his 5th season as a starter. Lets say he takes about 4 hits a game - maybe 300 in his career - is that a fair assumption? So if the collarbone is 90% healed, then it can be assumed it would take around 4 years and 270 or so hits before it gets rebroke. Even the Packer O-Line that Ted Thompson has given us isn't that bad.

Isn't math fun? You can support so many ideas with it.


Would be nice if it worked that way, but unfortunately it doesn't. 90% healed does not mean it has 90% of the previous strength. For him to break the bone, he had to land right. While it is healing and not yet 100%, the impact it would take to re-break is greatly reduced. Any landing on that shoulder would likely re-brake it. And being a QB, he has conditioned himself to land on his non throwing shoulder to protect his throwing arm.
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#23 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:51:25 PM(UTC)
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Isn't math fun? You can support so many ideas with it.


Kind of like saying you're a Christian and a Conservative, so you believe you have this moral high ground and say any off the wall bigoted shit you can dream up, and think you can get away with it.

Back on Topic - rub some dirt on the fuckr Rodgers and get your ass in there. We're all spoiled ass Packers and you owe us. Big Grin
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Kind of like saying you're a Christian and a Conservative, so you believe you have this moral high ground and say any off the wall bigoted shit you can dream up, and think you can get away with it.

Back on Topic - rub some dirt on the fuckr Rodgers and get your ass in there. We're all spoiled ass Packers and you owe us. Big Grin


It's downright ironic sometimes how much truth there is in sarcasm.

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I think I'm probably alone on this. But I wish the Packers would have IRed Rodgers a few weeks ago and been done with it. As it is, the pressure to bring Rodgers back gets bigger every week, and that means the pressure to "bring him back even if he's not ready" gets even bigger.

When a normal person breaks a bone, does the doctor even suggest checking every week to "see if its healed"? No, the doctor has you come in every few weeks to "see how well it is healing." The difference in verb tense is important here.

Those with more medical knowledge can speak to this, but it seems to me that if the bone breaks again before it has completely healed, not only can the second bone break be worse than the first, but the ancillary damage (to muscles, nerves, blood vessels in the area) could probably be worse, too.

If the Packers miss out on Super Bowl this year because they don't have Rodgers at the helm, that's sad in the short run. But the reaiity is that for too big of a chunk of this year they haven't played at the level of a team that deserves to be competing for a championship. Right now, or at least when the current break heals, Rodgers has the ability and physical tools to lead this team in competition for multiple Super Bowls yet. It makes little sense to me to endanger that future on behalf of a team that has shown itself capable of multiple games of mediocrity.

I'm old enough to remember that the injuries that made Starr hang up the cleats were shoulder injuries. I'm old enough to remember that the injuries that ended Don Majkowski's career were shoulder injuries. And while I realize that those were throwing shoulder injuries not a collarbone injury, the fact of the matter is that throwing a ball as effectively as a healthy Rodgers does is a function of an amazing collaboration between dozens of bones, muscles, nerves, etc., many of which are potentially affected by a bad collarbone injury.

Don't endanger the long-term potential of the franchise just to give a bigger shot to a too-often-mediocre team. IMO.
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