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Offline twebdonny  
#1 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:32:12 PM(UTC)
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Good leaders are made not born. If you have the desire and willpower, you can become an effective leader. Good leaders develop through a never ending process of self-study, education, training, and experience.

To inspire your workers into higher levels of teamwork, there are certain things you must be, know, and, do. These do not come naturally, but are acquired through continual work and study. Good leaders are continually working and studying to improve their leadership skills; they are NOT resting on their laurels.

Let's define leadership. Leadership is a process by which a person influences others to accomplish an objective and directs the organization in a way that makes it more cohesive and coherent. Leaders carry out this process by applying their leadership attributes, such as beliefs, values, ethics, character, knowledge, and skills. Although your position as a manager, supervisor, lead, etc. gives you the authority to accomplish certain tasks and objectives in the organization, this power does not make you a leader, it simply makes you the boss. Leadership differs in that it makes the followers want to achieve high goals, rather than simply bossing people around.



[size=24]THIS TEAM IS IN NEED OF A LEADER[/size]
Offline minnypacker  
#2 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:42:39 PM(UTC)
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I agree 100%

That is the part of Brett this team really misses. They need someone to take over the lockerroom and lead this young team.

Canidates?
Tauscher - playing too poorly to be effective
Kampy- Likely guy, but is it in hi persona?
Barnett - see Tauscher
Hawk - Too hurt Aaron Rodgers - Too new, in a year or two...yes
Woodson...Too quiet
Pickett - see Tauscher
Grant - No
DD or Jennings - When has a WR ever been a leader of a team?

Yes - this team needs a leader to emerge!
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Offline TengoJuego  
#3 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:11:46 PM(UTC)
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Brett did not lead this team last year. He kept to himself. He said that numerous times. Al Harris is a/the leader IMO. He seems to be most vocal of the leader type guys.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:13:13 PM(UTC)
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well moss is ifor the pats i just feel a-rod should get some huspa and be the leader he wanted to be q.b and that is part of the job and knowing how hes been playing think the guys would listen :icon_smile:
Offline twebdonny  
#5 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:13:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Brett did not lead this team last year. He kept to himself. He said that numerous times. Al Harris is a/the leader IMO. He seems to be most vocal of the leader type guys.


Sorry,

Not seeing Al do any leading lately. This team needs a leader, now.

IMHO
Offline TengoJuego  
#6 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:14:44 PM(UTC)
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Well Obviously. Al is hurt.
Offline twebdonny  
#7 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:16:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Well Obviously. Al is hurt.


So I go back to my original tenet.

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Offline Greg C.  
#8 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:18:12 PM(UTC)
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I think this team has quite a few leaders: Driver, Barnett, Kampman, and Woodson, to name a few. And although Rodgers is young, he already seems to have the respect of his teammates.
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Offline twebdonny  
#9 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:22:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I think this team has quite a few leaders: Driver, Barnett, Kampman, and Woodson, to name a few. And although Rodgers is young, he already seems to have the respect of his teammates.


Go back to my orginal definition. I honestly don't see any of those guys stepping up and taking the reigns of leadership. They do a little jawing here and there when things are going their way, but overall they don't live up to the role.
Offline bozz_2006  
#10 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:27:35 PM(UTC)
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Alright alright. i'll do it.
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Offline Cheesey  
#11 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:37:59 PM(UTC)
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A leader?
I thought these guys were professionals?
What they NEED is a swift kick in the pants, and to be reminded that their JOBS are on the line if they don't get their you-know-what together.
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Offline twebdonny  
#12 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:43:46 PM(UTC)
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"Leadership rests not only upon ability, not only upon capacity; having the capacity to lead is not enough. The leader must be willing to use it. His leadership is then based on truth and character. There must be truth in the purpose and will power in the character." --Vince Lombardi
Offline RedSoxExcel  
#13 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:26:49 PM(UTC)
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There are two kinds of leaders IMO. There is the Messiers, who go "rah rah" and are very effective. Then there are the Gretzky's, so simply go out and play and everyone follows because of their greatness.

I don't think you need to be vocal to be a leader. Brett was quiet but it was the fact that a lot of the players were inspired by him and wanted to go out and kick some butt. The Jets are def. a different team if you watch them this year versus last year. They believe they can win because Brett is a proven winner. There is no one with that kind of greatness like a Favre or a Gretsky or an Elway.

You need someone that is willing to get in some faces right now and tell people to shape and perform. Maybe from the coach?
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Offline bozz_2006  
#14 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 7:41:09 PM(UTC)
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not to say brett hasn't had a positive effect on the jets, but they had about the biggest free agent spending spree in the history of the NFL this offseason.

But, yeah, I agree with the thrust of your argument
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#15 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 7:48:16 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Brett did not lead this team last year. He kept to himself. He said that numerous times. Al Harris is a/the leader IMO. He seems to be most vocal of the leader type guys.


The unquestioned leader on defense is Charles Woodson, players have said this already.


Brett wasn't a speech type leader, he was more of a I'll show you how its done type leader.


We do need more and better leadership I think on this team.
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Offline Greg C.  
#16 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 7:50:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
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I think this team has quite a few leaders: Driver, Barnett, Kampman, and Woodson, to name a few. And although Rodgers is young, he already seems to have the respect of his teammates.


Go back to my orginal definition. I honestly don't see any of those guys stepping up and taking the reigns of leadership. They do a little jawing here and there when things are going their way, but overall they don't live up to the role.


Unless you have some secret source, I don't know how you can be so sure about this. Do you expect to see players yelling at each other on the field all the time? All I know is what I see on the field, which really doesn't tell me much, and what I read about. And the guys I mentioned are considered to be leaders by their teammates.
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Offline Bigbyfan  
#17 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:16:07 PM(UTC)
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Donald Driver is one of the leaders of this team.

He is vocal when needed.

He never causes drama., such as playing the blame game.

He plays the game how it is supposed to be played.

Plus, he is a damn good receiver! :whipitgood:
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Offline TengoJuego  
#18 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:59:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Brett did not lead this team last year. He kept to himself. He said that numerous times. Al Harris is a/the leader IMO. He seems to be most vocal of the leader type guys.


The unquestioned leader on defense is Charles Woodson, players have said this already.


Brett wasn't a speech type leader, he was more of a I'll show you how its done type leader.


We do need more and better leadership I think on this team.


Thats what I meant...Al is much more lively than Charles. Charles is a silent killer. Al is in your face.
Offline RaiderPride  
#19 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:51:16 AM(UTC)
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Good leaders are made not born. If you have the desire and willpower, you can become an effective leader. Good leaders develop through a never ending process of self-study, education, training, and experience.

To inspire your workers into higher levels of teamwork, there are certain things you must be, know, and, do. These do not come naturally, but are acquired through continual work and study. Good leaders are continually working and studying to improve their leadership skills; they are NOT resting on their laurels.

Let's define leadership. Leadership is a process by which a person influences others to accomplish an objective and directs the organization in a way that makes it more cohesive and coherent. Leaders carry out this process by applying their leadership attributes, such as beliefs, values, ethics, character, knowledge, and skills. Although your position as a manager, supervisor, lead, etc. gives you the authority to accomplish certain tasks and objectives in the organization, this power does not make you a leader, it simply makes you the boss. Leadership differs in that it makes the followers want to achieve high goals, rather than simply bossing people around.


[size=24]THIS TEAM IS IN NEED OF A LEADER[/size]


I thought your post sounded familar.

Copy and paste

Been there. Took the course, and got the T-Shirt.

This is a forum... I hope we all can give our own opinions here. Our own. That is why I love the regulars here who make stupid posts late on Sunday Night after they have been drinking or are just pissed off.

Click the link- To read your post.

http://eclkc.ohs.acf.hhs...sion/ConceptsofLeade.htm
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Offline TengoJuego  
#20 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:54:08 AM(UTC)
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Wow...I uhh...I'm speechless.

+1 Raider
-100000000000000000 twebdonny

lol
Offline Greg C.  
#21 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:50:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
[I thought your post sounded familar.

Copy and paste

Been there. Took the course, and got the T-Shirt.

This is a forum... I hope we all can give our own opinions here. Our own. That is why I love the regulars here who make stupid posts late on Sunday Night after they have been drinking or are just pissed off.

Click the link- To read your post.

http://eclkc.ohs.acf.hhs...sion/ConceptsofLeade.htm


Plagiarism? On the Internet? I am shocked, absolutely shocked. Good catch, RP.
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Offline DGB454  
#22 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:37:20 AM(UTC)
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I don't think he said he made that up himself. Cut him a little slack.
Offline Zero2Cool  
#23 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:54:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I don't think he said he made up that up himself. Cut him a little slack.
That is true, some people don't know how to use the quote BBCode so maybe we should wait for him to bury himself or clear himself :)
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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#24 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:21:41 AM(UTC)
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So I don't get buried.....I copied and pasted this from FF site!!! :icon_smile: :icon_smile: :icon_smile:

This is the kind of stuff we hardly ever hear about. I hope the meeting have continued in Green bay with Aaron Rodgers and the receivers.
IMHO this type of action shows leadership, I just wonder how many qb's in the league go the extra mile to get the best out of everyone on the team.

"News: Jets QB Brett Favre met with his receivers during the last few seasons in Green Bay, and has continued the round-table format with his new teammates. "It's more of a relaxed atmosphere, which I think is good sometimes because having a coach talk all the time, you tune guys in, you tune guys out," Favre said. "It happens everywhere. Here, having everyone involved, I think is important."

"Analysis: A lot was made - even by Favre himself - of how long it would take for the veteran quarterback to get the Jets' offensive system down from the day he was acquired from the Packers in early August. The brainstorming sessions have helped expedite that process. "I think quarterbacks should be in every meeting with receivers because you work hand-in-hand with them," Favre said. "That's like having the right guard and right tackle not in a meeting with the left guard and left tackle. They have to work in unison." From all indications, the meetings have helped. Favre is ranked first in the NFL with a 110.8 quarterback rating and 12 touchdowns entering the Jets' game Sunday against winless Cincinnati. Continue to start him in all leagues."
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Offline RaiderPride  
#25 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:47:48 AM(UTC)
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No big deal. No big crime.

I am just saying I like the original drunken posts.
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