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Offline twebdonny  
#1 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:32:12 PM(UTC)
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Good leaders are made not born. If you have the desire and willpower, you can become an effective leader. Good leaders develop through a never ending process of self-study, education, training, and experience.

To inspire your workers into higher levels of teamwork, there are certain things you must be, know, and, do. These do not come naturally, but are acquired through continual work and study. Good leaders are continually working and studying to improve their leadership skills; they are NOT resting on their laurels.

Let's define leadership. Leadership is a process by which a person influences others to accomplish an objective and directs the organization in a way that makes it more cohesive and coherent. Leaders carry out this process by applying their leadership attributes, such as beliefs, values, ethics, character, knowledge, and skills. Although your position as a manager, supervisor, lead, etc. gives you the authority to accomplish certain tasks and objectives in the organization, this power does not make you a leader, it simply makes you the boss. Leadership differs in that it makes the followers want to achieve high goals, rather than simply bossing people around.



[size=24]THIS TEAM IS IN NEED OF A LEADER[/size]
Offline minnypacker  
#2 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:42:39 PM(UTC)
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I agree 100%

That is the part of Brett this team really misses. They need someone to take over the lockerroom and lead this young team.

Canidates?
Tauscher - playing too poorly to be effective
Kampy- Likely guy, but is it in hi persona?
Barnett - see Tauscher
Hawk - Too hurt Aaron Rodgers - Too new, in a year or two...yes
Woodson...Too quiet
Pickett - see Tauscher
Grant - No
DD or Jennings - When has a WR ever been a leader of a team?

Yes - this team needs a leader to emerge!
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Offline TengoJuego  
#3 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:11:46 PM(UTC)
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Brett did not lead this team last year. He kept to himself. He said that numerous times. Al Harris is a/the leader IMO. He seems to be most vocal of the leader type guys.
Offline gbpfan  
#4 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:13:13 PM(UTC)
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well moss is ifor the pats i just feel a-rod should get some huspa and be the leader he wanted to be q.b and that is part of the job and knowing how hes been playing think the guys would listen :icon_smile:
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Offline twebdonny  
#5 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:13:35 PM(UTC)
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Brett did not lead this team last year. He kept to himself. He said that numerous times. Al Harris is a/the leader IMO. He seems to be most vocal of the leader type guys.


Sorry,

Not seeing Al do any leading lately. This team needs a leader, now.

IMHO
Offline TengoJuego  
#6 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:14:44 PM(UTC)
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Well Obviously. Al is hurt.
Offline twebdonny  
#7 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:16:14 PM(UTC)
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Well Obviously. Al is hurt.


So I go back to my original tenet.

DJ
Offline Greg C.  
#8 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:18:12 PM(UTC)
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I think this team has quite a few leaders: Driver, Barnett, Kampman, and Woodson, to name a few. And although Rodgers is young, he already seems to have the respect of his teammates.
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Offline twebdonny  
#9 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:22:32 PM(UTC)
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I think this team has quite a few leaders: Driver, Barnett, Kampman, and Woodson, to name a few. And although Rodgers is young, he already seems to have the respect of his teammates.


Go back to my orginal definition. I honestly don't see any of those guys stepping up and taking the reigns of leadership. They do a little jawing here and there when things are going their way, but overall they don't live up to the role.
Offline bozz_2006  
#10 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:27:35 PM(UTC)
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Alright alright. i'll do it.
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Offline Cheesey  
#11 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:37:59 PM(UTC)
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A leader?
I thought these guys were professionals?
What they NEED is a swift kick in the pants, and to be reminded that their JOBS are on the line if they don't get their you-know-what together.
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Offline twebdonny  
#12 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 5:43:46 PM(UTC)
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"Leadership rests not only upon ability, not only upon capacity; having the capacity to lead is not enough. The leader must be willing to use it. His leadership is then based on truth and character. There must be truth in the purpose and will power in the character." --Vince Lombardi
Offline RedSoxExcel  
#13 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:26:49 PM(UTC)
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There are two kinds of leaders IMO. There is the Messiers, who go "rah rah" and are very effective. Then there are the Gretzky's, so simply go out and play and everyone follows because of their greatness.

I don't think you need to be vocal to be a leader. Brett was quiet but it was the fact that a lot of the players were inspired by him and wanted to go out and kick some butt. The Jets are def. a different team if you watch them this year versus last year. They believe they can win because Brett is a proven winner. There is no one with that kind of greatness like a Favre or a Gretsky or an Elway.

You need someone that is willing to get in some faces right now and tell people to shape and perform. Maybe from the coach?
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Offline bozz_2006  
#14 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 7:41:09 PM(UTC)
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not to say brett hasn't had a positive effect on the jets, but they had about the biggest free agent spending spree in the history of the NFL this offseason.

But, yeah, I agree with the thrust of your argument
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#15 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2008 7:48:16 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Brett did not lead this team last year. He kept to himself. He said that numerous times. Al Harris is a/the leader IMO. He seems to be most vocal of the leader type guys.


The unquestioned leader on defense is Charles Woodson, players have said this already.


Brett wasn't a speech type leader, he was more of a I'll show you how its done type leader.


We do need more and better leadership I think on this team.
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