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play2win  
#1 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:14:39 AM(UTC)
Goodbye, Mark Lovat!

To me, he should be the very first firing from this staff. Immediately.
rabidgopher04  
#2 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:23:36 AM(UTC)
I agree but McCarthy is to loyal to make changes like that.
Mucky Tundra  
#3 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:27:08 AM(UTC)
How many hamstring injuries has this team had in the past two years?
PackFanWithTwins  
#4 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:37:25 AM(UTC)
If it is the conditioning program that is the problem, how does it explain AJ?

All they need to do is say. See AJ do what he does.
musccy  
#5 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:57:45 AM(UTC)
This is a contact sport. The strength and conditioning staff have zero control over broken collarbones, thumbs, tibias, femurs, and necks. $hit happens in football, and it's not as if the Packers are the only ones with hamstring injuries http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/12/20/dallas-cowboys-lose-another-starter-to-a-hamstring-injury-before-redskins-game/
MintBaconDrivel  
#6 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:59:14 AM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
This is a contact sport. The strength and conditioning staff have zero control over broken collarbones, thumbs, tibias, femurs, and necks. $hit happens in football, and it's not as if the Packers are the only ones with hamstring injuries http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/12/20/dallas-cowboys-lose-another-starter-to-a-hamstring-injury-before-redskins-game/


Vince Lombardi said:
Football is not a contact sport, it’s a collision sport – dancing is a contact sport
play2win  
#7 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 8:07:01 AM(UTC)
Toughness involves strength and conditioning. We are not tough. We lack sound strength and conditioning, among other things...
musccy  
#8 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 8:21:38 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Toughness involves strength and conditioning. We are not tough. We lack sound strength and conditioning, among other things...


Lacy, Rodgers, Starks, Nelson, Sitton, Daniels, CM3... should lift and condition more. They're all wimps.

dhpackr  
#9 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 8:26:34 AM(UTC)
What injury affected this season the most?

IMO..Sam Sheilds, and there isn't anything any conditioning coach could've done to keep Sam on the field...

GB never replaced Nick Collins and Charles Woodson...again my thoughts, but this is the reason we were eliminated, not a conditioning coach..
play2win  
#10 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 8:26:41 AM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
Lacy, Rodgers, Starks, Nelson, Sitton, Daniels, CM3... should lift and condition more. They're all wimps.



Really? No need to be snarky on the subject. Truth is, we have been one of the most injured teams in the NFL for 4 years in a row. You can't see a problem with that?Player availability was one of Mike McCarthy's key goals coming into this season. How did that work out?
dhpackr  
#11 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 8:31:26 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Really? No need to be snarky on the subject. Truth is, we have been one of the most injured teams in the NFL for 4 years in a row. You can't see a problem with that?Player availability was one of Mike McCarthy's key goals coming into this season. How did that work out?


IMO, we played poor defense, that's why we lost. Not injuries...No conditioning coach can help CMIII, or Mike Neal.....

AJ got beat by Vernon Davis, Micah Hyde dropped a int, so did Williams...We just played poorly, and did not take advantage of great opportunities and got beat...

nothing to do with conditioning...

just sayin...

musccy  
#12 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 8:34:25 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Really? No need to be snarky on the subject. Truth is, we have been one of the most injured teams in the NFL for 4 years in a row. You can't see a problem with that?Player availability was one of Mike McCarthy's key goals coming into this season. How did that work out?


I'm being snarky because I get sick of reading these vague generalizations people keep posting today to be masqueraded as facts. The team isn't tough because they don't condition and lift?!? How do you KNOW this team doesn't lift/condition, and how do you know that doesn't make them tough? Furthermore, the general implication behind this thread is lifting/conditioning was the reason for the injuries this year, but REALLY?

Broken thumb, collarbone, tibia, Sam Shields getting rolled up on for a knee injury, Bahktiari's concussion - what conditioning (and now that "conditioning" is apparently synonymous with "toughness, so what "toughness routine") is going to fix those issues??

PackFanWithTwins  
#13 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 8:42:35 AM(UTC)
Last 5 seasons Most injured based on number of IR players

Jaguars 62
Panthers 55
Colts 53
Bills 51
Redskins 51
Bucs 50

Giants 49
Pats 49
Texans 49
Packers 49

Packers have had 09' - 8, 10' - 13, 11' - 4, 12' - 10, 13' - 14

play2win  
#14 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 8:57:54 AM(UTC)
dhpackr said: Go to Quoted Post
IMO, we played poor defense, that's why we lost. Not injuries...No conditioning coach can help CMIII, or Mike Neal.....

AJ got beat by Vernon Davis, Micah Hyde dropped a int, so did Williams...We just played poorly, and did not take advantage of great opportunities and got beat...

nothing to do with conditioning...

just sayin...



Don't get me wrong, we have talent issues on both sides of the ball, and that does enter into the equation. However, we had many players who we could have used yesterday, but were not healthy enough to play:

Barrington hamstring
Bulaga ACL
Francois achilles
Hayward hamstring
Jolly neck
Nixon knee cartilage
…all of them on IR, probably the two most important losses for yesterday's game being Barrington and Hayward, both with hammys.

As a rule, do you consider Mike Neal to be "tough?" How available has he been over the last 3 years? We simply have had too many injuries these past 4 years, and not just too many, but oftentimes double what other teams are experiencing. EVERY YEAR FOR 4 YEARS! And, many here want to give Lovat yet another FREE PASS! wow.

Coaching, talent and health require upgrades on this Packers team. All 3 areas must be addressed. I would start by ditching Lovat and his crew, and replacing them with the best strength & conditioning group I could find.
PackFanWithTwins  
#15 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 9:05:29 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Don't get me wrong, we have talent issues on both sides of the ball, and that does enter into the equation. However, we had many players who we could have used yesterday, but were not healthy enough to play:

Barrington hamstring
Bulaga ACL
Francois achilles
Hayward hamstring
Jolly neck
Nixon knee cartilage
…all of them on IR, probably the two most important losses for yesterday's game being Barrington and Hayward, both with hammys.

As a rule, do you consider Mike Neal to be "tough?" How available has he been over the last 3 years? We simply have had too many injuries these past 4 years, and not just too many, but oftentimes double what other teams are experiencing. EVERY YEAR FOR 4 YEARS! And, many here want to give Lovat yet another FREE PASS! wow.

Coaching, talent and health require upgrades on this Packers team. All 3 areas must be addressed. I would start by ditching Lovat and his crew, and replacing them with the best strength & conditioning group I could find.


Lovat was in charge in 2011 when there was only 4 players on IR. What is wrong with his program, what is different from others?

Truth be told, you have no idea what his conditioning program is?
play2win  
#16 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 9:10:26 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Last 5 seasons Most injured based on number of IR players

Jaguars 62
Panthers 55
Colts 53
Bills 51
Redskins 51
Bucs 50

Giants 49
Pats 49
Texans 49
Packers 49

Packers have had 09' - 8, 10' - 13, 11' - 4, 12' - 10, 13' - 14



14, 10 and 13 players on IR going back to 2010. I believe those numbers rank us top 7 or worse 3 out of the 4 years… we were #2 this year behind CAR with 15.
play2win  
#17 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 9:11:14 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Lovat was in charge in 2011 when there was only 4 players on IR. What is wrong with his program, what is different from others?

Truth be told, you have no idea what his conditioning program is?


and you do?
PackFanWithTwins  
#18 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 9:19:17 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
and you do?


I'm not the one calling for any bodies job without knowing anything about his program.

Some players are always available under the same conditioning program where others are not? That seems more like the players not the program.
musccy  
#19 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 9:22:29 AM(UTC)
What conditioning program would have helped with these injuries:
Aaron Rodgers - broken bone
Cobb - broken bone
CM3 - broken bone
Jolly - neck injury
Finley - concussion/neck injury
Sherrod - broken bone
Franklin - concussion

I could keep going, and you could debatably add the ACL injuries of Worthy and Bulaga to this list as well, but point being that injuries happen in football. Hamstring issues are a concern, but they're also not exclusive to the Packers' roster.
Dulak  
#20 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 9:32:41 AM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
What conditioning program would have helped with these injuries:

Aaron Rodgers - broken bone
Cobb - broken bone
CM3 - broken bone
Jolly - neck injury
Finley - concussion/neck injury
Sherrod - broken bone
Franklin - concussion

I could keep going, and you could debatably add the ACL injuries of Worthy and Bulaga to this list as well, but point being that injuries happen in football. Hamstring issues are a concern, but they're also not exclusive to the Packers' roster.


A chiropractor, and a good nutritionist (get the peeps to eat better).

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