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Offline cheeseheads123  
#1 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 10:08:16 AM(UTC)
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Who do you guys want to see?


I am hoping for the best defensive player available or trading up in the first round for Mosley.
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Offline Yerko  
#2 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 10:12:16 AM(UTC)
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Haven't done much reading and research on draft prospects yet (plan on starting next week) but I don't think there is a safety worth a look in the 1st round. Clinton-Dix *might* be but I don't think he is as big of a talent as Reid or Vaccaro was in last years draft.

With that said, I think the Packers go after a big time playmaker such as CJ Mosley from Bama. I think that would require a trade up from the 21st pick.
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#3 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 10:14:01 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 Go to Quoted Post
Who do you guys want to see?


I am hoping for the best defensive player available or trading up in the first round for Mosley.


The Green Bay Packers have traded the 21st overall selection to the (insert team name top five overall selection in round) for (said team)'s 2nd round and 3rd round selections.

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Offline Mucky Tundra  
#4 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 10:19:03 AM(UTC)
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Mosley would be nice but unlikely to happen. Personally I'll say either Hageman or as Z2C posted, a trade out of the round.
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#5 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 10:46:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
The Green Bay Packers have traded the 21st overall selection to the (insert team name top five overall selection in round) for (said team)'s 2nd round and 3rd round selections.



What he said.
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Offline Yerko  
#6 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 11:00:56 AM(UTC)
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While I am sure that is likely to happen, is this draft that deep with talent? Again, I don't know much yet. I just think the defense needs that other athletic playmaker and having Mosley playing next to Clay sounds ridiculous.

Mosley can do it all. Worth the trade up. We don't have to stock up with multiple draft picks this year, imo.
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#7 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 11:02:15 AM(UTC)
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Assuming we keep shields and jones. I don't see room for 7 rookies again. We need to pass rush, pass and run blocking, and Safety upgrade. The biggest thing that will help this team though is Pass rush. I would be fine with a move up to get somebody who can rush from the interior of the Dline consistently. Otherwise, pool picks and get 3 or 4 higher quality players instead of young depth. All that does is replace young potential with less experienced young potential.
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#8 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 11:10:27 AM(UTC)
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Offline rabidgopher04  
#9 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 11:35:00 AM(UTC)
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Trade up like the year we got Clay.
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#10 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 11:35:54 AM(UTC)
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Well since 2006 the Packers have either drafted a lineman or 3-4 OLB in the 1st round... (and in nickel packages 3-4 OLB are basically linemen as they're used as 4-2 DEs)

I'd REALLY REALLY like to see a dominating DL... as well as Pickett, Jolly, Raji, Neal and Wilson are all FAs this year... and even if you resign them Pickett and Jolly aren't no spring chickens, Raji hasn't been consistent, Neal has been needed at OLB and Wilson hasn't played much even when healthy.

So I want to see improved DL... I want to see high potential DL become a stud in GB.


High potential DL would be RaShede Hageman, Minnesota, 6-6, 311

Hageman is projected to drop into the late 1st as of right now because while he has a ton of potential he's also extremely raw and has been inconsistent... but there is also so much potential there. Some think if you can some better talent around him where he's not doubled (and sometimes tripled team) that he would be a lot more consistant and hiefs have a DL named Poe they said about the same thing about and he's not a stud in KC. High risk but possible high reward.


But I'm expecting more along the lines of NT Louis Nix, Notre Dame 6-2, 345
Nix gives GREAT GREAT effort for a NT and has shown he's willing to play any scheme asked of him, he can get after the passer some and is a beast against the run. Also he's been injured.


Another guy I would strongly look at if he's still there is CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State, 6-0, 200

All the physical potential is there for Gilbert to be a stud, but he's still extremely raw... but the CB coach has a history (mostly in college) of taking athletic offense players that were inconsistent on offense and turning them into consistent CB (on the college level)... but he has done the same with Shields. So why not give him another top talent guy to work with?
Can't have enough good CBs.

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Offline cheeseheads123  
#11 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 11:46:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Well since 2006 the Packers have either drafted a lineman or 3-4 OLB in the 1st round... (and in nickel packages 3-4 OLB are basically linemen as they're used as 4-2 DEs)

I'd REALLY REALLY like to see a dominating DL... as well as Pickett, Jolly, Raji, Neal and Wilson are all FAs this year... and even if you resign them Pickett and Jolly aren't no spring chicken, Raji hasn't been consistent, Neal has been needed at OLB and Wilson hasn't played much even when healthy.

So I want to see improved DL... I want to see high potential DL become a stud in GB.


High potential DL would be RaShede Hageman, Minnesota, 6-6, 311

Hageman is projected to drop into the late 1st as of right now because while he has a ton of potential he's also extremely raw and has been inconsistent... but there is also so much potential there. Some think if you can some better talent around him where he's not doubled (and sometimes tripled team) that he would be a lot more consistant and hiefs have a DL named Poe they said about the same thing about and he's not a stud in KC. High risk but possible high reward.


But I'm expecting more along the lines of NT Louis Nix, Notre Dame 6-2, 345
Nix gives GREAT GREAT effort for a NT and has shown he's willing to play any scheme asked of him, he can get after the passer some and is a beast against the run. Also he's been injured.


Another guy I would strongly look at if he's still there is CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State, 6-0, 200

All the physical potential is there for Hilbert to be a stud, but he's still extremely raw... but the CB coach has a history (mostly in college) of taking athletic offense players that were inconsistent on offense and turning them into concsistent CB (on the college level)... but he has done the same with Shields. So why not give him another top talent guy to work with?
Can't have enough good CBs.


How do you feel about S Lemarcus Joyner? Do you think he is worth trading up in the second for?


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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#12 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 11:56:04 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Assuming we keep shields and jones. I don't see room for 7 rookies again. We need to pass rush, pass and run blocking, and Safety upgrade. The biggest thing that will help this team though is Pass rush. I would be fine with a move up to get somebody who can rush from the interior of the Dline consistently. Otherwise, pool picks and get 3 or 4 higher quality players instead of young depth. All that does is replace young potential with less experienced young potential.


I made a similar post after the 2012 season, and The Packers ended up with 11 draft picks and UDFA's on the roster.

Seems there is always room for the rookies on Ted's roster.

Which isn't a bad thing, except the fact is they seem to ALWAYS get forced into the starting lineup because of injuries.

Here is a list of players who will be coming back next year still playing under their rookie contract.
That's 36 players, all but just a couple of the 2013 draft picks either started or played significant time on Special Teams in 2013.

There is not many on this list that I see Ted letting go next year.

Maybe it is time for Ted to bundle a couple of picks and move up in the draft, maybe only ending up with 3 or 4 new guys on next years roster instead of the 11 draft picks and numerous UDFA's that ended up on the roster this year.

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T Derek Sherrod D1
WR Randall Cobb D2
CB Davon House D4
TE Ryan Taylor D7a
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DT Mike Daniels D4a
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RB Eddie Lacy D2
T David Bakhtiari D4a
C/G JC Tretter D4b
CB Micah Hyde D5a
DE Josh Boyd D5b
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LB Victor Aiyewa
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LB Andy Mulumba
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G Lane Taylor
TE Jake Stoneburner
QB Scott Tolzien
WR Chris Harper (SF)

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58 Barrington, Sam LB R
86 Bostick, Brandon TE 1
13 Cunningham, Sederrik WR R
6 Dorsey, Kevin WR R
23 Franklin, Johnathan RB R
26 Harris, DuJuan RB 1
29 Hayward, Casey CB 2
25 Nixon, James CB 1
64 Van Roten, Greg G/C 2
19 White, Myles WR R


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#13 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 12:58:29 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 Go to Quoted Post
How do you feel about S Lemarcus Joyner? Do you think he is worth trading up in the second for?


I feel Lemarcus Joyner is shorter than 5'8" ... and the idea of a guy shorter than 5'8" trying to help cover tall WRs scares me...

In the NFC North divsion the Packers have to deal with

6'5" Calvin Johnson and 6'6" Kris Durham on the Lions
6'4" Brandon Marshall, 6'3" Alshon Jeffery and 6'4" Marquess Wilson on the Bears
6'3" Cordarrelle Patterson, 6'2" Jerome Simpson, 6'4" Joe Webb and 6'6" Rodney Smith on the Vikings


Yes the Cards took Tyrann Mathieu in the 3rd... but Tyrann Mathieu has more hype and it seems like the Cards over looked all the negative off the field stuff.

Also according to nfldraftscout Tyrann Mathieu is taller and (projected) faster ...

Based on nfldraftscout Tyrann Mathieu is 5'8" and 6/8ths of an inch and ran a 4.46 in the 40.

Based on nfldraftscout Lamarcus Joyner is 5'7" and 6/8ths of an inch and is projected to run a 4.52...


I know you have to over look size issues if a player is really good... but I just can't with Lemarcus Joyner. His size would scare me off from taking him.
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#14 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 1:06:18 PM(UTC)
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BPA on defense that is.

They need help everywhere. DL, LB and secondary. There will be a run at some position letting a decent prospect slide to 21.

All I ask is that Uncle Teddy not reach for an injured but potentially high upside player. Reach in the 4/5th round and beyond not the first.

Unless they move up I doubt Mosley or Clinton-Dix will be available. Bama players tend to get bonus points in draft. Somehow Lacy missed out.
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Offline Rockmolder  
#15 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 1:24:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Well since 2006 the Packers have either drafted a lineman or 3-4 OLB in the 1st round... (and in nickel packages 3-4 OLB are basically linemen as they're used as 4-2 DEs)

I'd REALLY REALLY like to see a dominating DL... as well as Pickett, Jolly, Raji, Neal and Wilson are all FAs this year... and even if you resign them Pickett and Jolly aren't no spring chickens, Raji hasn't been consistent, Neal has been needed at OLB and Wilson hasn't played much even when healthy.

So I want to see improved DL... I want to see high potential DL become a stud in GB.


High potential DL would be RaShede Hageman, Minnesota, 6-6, 311

Hageman is projected to drop into the late 1st as of right now because while he has a ton of potential he's also extremely raw and has been inconsistent... but there is also so much potential there. Some think if you can some better talent around him where he's not doubled (and sometimes tripled team) that he would be a lot more consistant and hiefs have a DL named Poe they said about the same thing about and he's not a stud in KC. High risk but possible high reward.


But I'm expecting more along the lines of NT Louis Nix, Notre Dame 6-2, 345
Nix gives GREAT GREAT effort for a NT and has shown he's willing to play any scheme asked of him, he can get after the passer some and is a beast against the run. Also he's been injured.


Another guy I would strongly look at if he's still there is CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State, 6-0, 200

All the physical potential is there for Gilbert to be a stud, but he's still extremely raw... but the CB coach has a history (mostly in college) of taking athletic offense players that were inconsistent on offense and turning them into consistent CB (on the college level)... but he has done the same with Shields. So why not give him another top talent guy to work with?
Can't have enough good CBs.


The only problem I have with drafting another 3-4 DE, especially one like Hageman, is that we're so stocked with "potential" at that position in Daniels, Jones, Worthy and both Neal and Boyd depending on what they're playing with those two, that I'm not sure I'd like another first rounder invested at this point.

Of course you pick him up if he would fall down further than expected and he'll be just of too great a value to pass on him.

Nix, I like. He's really not that different from Raji coming out of college. I wouldn't hestitate to take a shot on him if he would fall all the way down to us. Thing is, he's way too talented to go 21st overall. We'd have to trade up. Since he might just be the best DT in the draft and is projected to play NT in both the 3-4 and 4-3, giving him high positional value, I don't see him falling to the 20s.
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#16 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 1:25:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
BPA on defense that is.

They need help everywhere. DL, LB and secondary. There will be a run at some position letting a decent prospect slide to 21.

All I ask is that Uncle Teddy not reach for an injured but potentially high upside player. Reach in the 4/5th round and beyond not the first.

Unless they move up I doubt Mosley or Clinton-Dix will be available. Bama players tend to get bonus points in draft. Somehow Lacy missed out.


Yeah, I don't really see any single way that Clinton-Dix will fall to us, barring an injury or horrible workout numbers.
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#17 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 1:32:06 PM(UTC)
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Ted Thompson is a Ron Wolf disciple. They will not draft a defensive back under six feet, especially one from Florida State. I don't agree with the rule, as I love Joyner, but that is their philosophy.

I'm not sure how I feel about C.J. Mosley. Good player, but I don't think he's the next great ILB in the NFL.

I agree with Beast's suggestion of Justin Gilbert. For a team that needs to produce turnovers, Gilbert would make a lot of sense. You can always move Micah Hyde to safety.

Austin Seferian-Jenkins hasn’t caught on yet because most talking heads prefer Eric Ebron and Jace Amaro, but I think ASJ has Rob Gronkowski’s skill set. In other words, he's a special player. If he were there at No. 21, I’d strongly consider drafting him, even though the team has bigger needs elsewhere.
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#18 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 2:55:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
I feel Lemarcus Joyner is shorter than 5'8" ... and the idea of a guy shorter than 5'8" trying to help cover tall WRs scares me...

In the NFC North divsion the Packers have to deal with

6'5" Calvin Johnson and 6'6" Kris Durham on the Lions
6'4" Brandon Marshall, 6'3" Alshon Jeffery and 6'4" Marquess Wilson on the Bears
6'3" Cordarrelle Patterson, 6'2" Jerome Simpson, 6'4" Joe Webb and 6'6" Rodney Smith on the Vikings




This is why I think we need to concentrate upfront on the Dline. The DBs just don't have the height to compete with these tall WR. If we can get at the passer, we can survive on lesser secondary talent, but without a pass rush even the best secondary gets killed.
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#19 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 6:03:54 PM(UTC)
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I want Ted to take the best MLB available. Hawk and Jones are really really bad compared to the rest of the league.

I don't like the safeties this year, I have no idea what to do with our safeties, they all have to be replaced.

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#20 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 6:35:16 PM(UTC)
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We will take S HaHa Clinton-Dix.

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#21 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:13:30 PM(UTC)
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#22 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:20:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
The only problem I have with drafting another 3-4 DE, especially one like Hageman, is that we're so stocked with "potential" at that position in Daniels, Jones, Worthy and both Neal and Boyd depending on what they're playing with those two, that I'm not sure I'd like another first rounder invested at this point.

Of course you pick him up if he would fall down further than expected and he'll be just of too great a value to pass on him.

Nix, I like. He's really not that different from Raji coming out of college. I wouldn't hestitate to take a shot on him if he would fall all the way down to us. Thing is, he's way too talented to go 21st overall. We'd have to trade up. Since he might just be the best DT in the draft and is projected to play NT in both the 3-4 and 4-3, giving him high positional value, I don't see him falling to the 20s.


You know, I find myself thinking the same thing whenever I think of this team spending a pick on a DL in rounds 1-3. Then I remember how the Giants rode their front 4 to two titles even though the rest of their D was mediocre. I know it's not exactly the same thing since the Packers are technically a 3-4 and run a lot of subpackages that involve 2 DL, but being able to control the LOS with only 4 guys seems more important than ever with how much the NFL favors passing these days.
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#23 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:24:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra Go to Quoted Post
You know, I find myself thinking the same thing whenever I think of this team spending a pick on a DL in rounds 1-3. Then I remember how the Giants rode their front 4 to two titles even though the rest of their D was mediocre. I know it's not exactly the same thing since the Packers are technically a 3-4 and run a lot of subpackages that involve 2 DL, but being able to control the LOS with only 4 guys seems more important than ever with how much the NFL favors passing these days.


I think a team that has great to dominant lines (offensive and defensive) will always be a contender, almost regardless of the other positions. Obviously that's within reason, but a borderline dominant pass rush can cover up so many holes in a defense. A great offensive line can also make average QBs look very good. I think Ted Thompson is a very good GM, but I do wish he would focus more on building strong trenches. Although it's not like he hasn't tried, it just hasn't worked out very well.

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#24 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:26:07 PM(UTC)
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Sign Jairus Byrd at S in FA and pick all the DL you want!
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#25 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2014 7:31:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra Go to Quoted Post
You know, I find myself thinking the same thing whenever I think of this team spending a pick on a DL in rounds 1-3. Then I remember how the Giants rode their front 4 to two titles even though the rest of their D was mediocre. I know it's not exactly the same thing since the Packers are technically a 3-4 and run a lot of subpackages that involve 2 DL, but being able to control the LOS with only 4 guys seems more important than ever with how much the NFL favors passing these days.


give me 4 animals on the DL that devour the OL every day of the week and I will take my chances.
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