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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 7, 2014 2:00:02 PM(UTC)
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Awhile back I read where Joe Whitt Jr said he took someone out of the game and put someone else in for some reason. Reading one of the comments about Dom Capers starting M.D. Jennings over Sean Richardson reminded me of that comment.

Who actually decides who starts and who sits? Does anyone have any source information to support it's the position coach or the coordinator or head coach? I presume it be a suggestion by the position coach to which the coordinator agrees/disagrees and the head coach has veto power.
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This is a good question.

Somebody also decided to start James Jones with broken ribs, that didn't work and Boykin was playing well enough to replace him if needed.



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Yeah, that's just the tip of the iceberg regarding starters who don't seem as good as the guys on the bench behind them. And the related question is who sends subs into the game? I wouldn't think McCarthy is directly doing that on gameday.

Of course, none of this would even be an issue if overall team personnel was up to the standard it should be. Gosh, whose fault could THAT possibly be?
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I don't have a source but I would say the order is like this:

HC
OC/DC
Position Coach

If makes a change ok fine but he has to answer to The Dom who if he approves has to answer to Mike.
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Awhile back I read where Joe Whitt Jr said he took someone out of the game and put someone else in for some reason. Reading one of the comments about Dom Capers starting M.D. Jennings over Sean Richardson reminded me of that comment.



I don't know but I think I've read a number of comments like that of Joe Whitt that suggest it's the position coaches normally. But they probably can be over ruled by the highers... but it's probably position coaches.


That's why I find it interesting so many people blame Capers for starting Perry on the left side when he's flashed more potential on the right, yet they give Coach Greene so much credit... it's probably coach Greene who would make that call. Not Capers.


As far as the Safety position, it seems like they have been trying to get Burnett back to SS more... problem is you would need a FS for that... and Jennings is the only FS they have... and he's error prone...

I think the Packers are alright at SS... they need a FS. And a lot of talk about Hyde playing S... I think he'd be another good SS option... but the Packers need a good FS.
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I don't know but I think I've read a number of comments like that of Joe Whitt that suggest it's the position coaches normally. But they probably can be over ruled by the highers... but it's probably position coaches.


That's why I find it interesting so many people blame Capers for starting Perry on the left side when he's flashed more potential on the right, yet they give Coach Greene so much credit... it's probably coach Greene who would make that call. Not Capers.


As far as the Safety position, it seems like they have been trying to get Burnett back to SS more... problem is you would need a FS for that... and Jennings is the only FS they have... and he's error prone...

I think the Packers are alright at SS... they need a FS. And a lot of talk about Hyde playing S... I think he'd be another good SS option... but the Packers need a good FS.


Eh, the Buck always stop with the Boss. If Capers thinks his subordinates are making the wrong decision, he has to over-rule them. That's his job. He's the guy that knows more about his scheme as a whole. Even if his position coaches were making the mistakes, than Capers is still to blame for not correcting them. If I was making mistakes at my job and my boss didn't correct them, I would still get in trouble, but so would my boss because he's ultimately responsible for everything we produce. Ultimately, it would end up in lost contracts and some of us without jobs.

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If I were to venture a guess, during the week I'd say Capers/Clements/McCarthy game planing with input from the position coaches while during the game the position coaches.
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While I have no official knowledge of how the Packers do things, it is pretty logical to assume that it is a combination of Coordinator and Positions coaches. On defense they setup who is the starter at each position for each package. And it is normal to look at backups that they want to get playing time. For example, Starks coming in for a series or two when there is nothing wrong with Lacy. Those are normally planned with the gameplan also.

The only question is, who makes the call in game for performance issues and I believe that would normally be the Position coach, they are the once who are watching their guys. It is hard for Capers to see what all 11 are doing all the time. But I would suspect that if a position coach makes a call to change somebody out, Capers is told why and can say to change back if he wants.
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I say again, would we even care about this if we didn't have significant personnel problems?
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As much as I've grown to like Boykin, the Packers made the right decision putting Jones on the field. Not only is he the starter, you want to have your leaders, your seasoned players in there.
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