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Offline play2win  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:11:56 AM(UTC)
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It took Mike Neal four seasons to finally find a home in Green Bay. Now, Neal’s next home could very well be in another city.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:16:21 AM(UTC)
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What to do with mike Neal?

To me, the guy was about as disappointing as could be his first 3 years here. He transitioned to OLB and I thought he did alright. It makes me wonder, though, if the guy will all of a sudden blossom into a nice OLB. I think he has the potential, and his size and speed are pretty decent.

Problem is, Walden commanded $4M per year, and Neal will probably cost more. I question whether Neal is worth that kind of dough without knowing fully that he is a well rounded OLB, which I don't think he has shown himself to be yet.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:30:29 AM(UTC)
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If it's true that Neal will cost that much to re-sign, I say let him go. IMO, it was a mistake to try and make him an OLB. He seems like a "tweener" in the 3-4. I see Perry and probably even Mulumba as better at OLB (and they are barely adequate), and 4, maybe 5 D Linemen being better than him in the rotation if he switched back. So $4 million or more a year is way too much to pay. Maybe he would be better as a 4-3 DE, but even then you have the big question mark of staying healthy.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:37:11 AM(UTC)
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It sucks that Perry was so banged up all year because we would have been a lot better if we had Daniels and Neal as our pass rushing lineman in Nickle formations, I don't think they meant for Neal to play OLB nearly as much as he did. He did a pretty good job I thought transitioning to OLB for his 1st year and previously being a DT but I think being the DL in Nickle is the best position for him.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 12:30:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
It sucks that Perry was so banged up all year because we would have been a lot better if we had Daniels and Neal as our pass rushing lineman in Nickle formations, I don't think they meant for Neal to play OLB nearly as much as he did. He did a pretty good job I thought transitioning to OLB for his 1st year and previously being a DT but I think being the DL in Nickle is the best position for him.


He is a tweener, with no prototypical role in our D. He also lost Greene, the guy who was grooming him for the position. Don't really know what we've got him Neal, or who's gonna be the next guy to groom him.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 12:51:15 PM(UTC)
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I really just wish the Packers put a guy in the other OLB position that has actually played the position before. Perry might one day work out but his injury history continues to build up. Mike Neal is sub-par...

If only the Packers had the ability to draft the #1 or #2 OLB this draft. Unfortunately, there are bigger needs (maybe)...
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 1:12:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
I really just wish the Packers put a guy in the other OLB position that has actually played the position before. Perry might one day work out but his injury history continues to build up. Mike Neal is sub-par...

If only the Packers had the ability to draft the #1 or #2 OLB this draft. Unfortunately, there are bigger needs (maybe)...


Most OLB in the 3-4 are former DEs. There are few 3-4 Ds in college these days so limiting your players to those teams really doesn't give you much talent to choose from. Odds are most of the highest rated actual OLB in the draft are going to be too small to play in a 3-4 and not even have the skill set to be edge rushers 90% of a game.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 11:33:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Most OLB in the 3-4 are former DEs. There are few 3-4 Ds in college these days so limiting your players to those teams really doesn't give you much talent to choose from. Odds are most of the highest rated actual OLB in the draft are going to be too small to play in a 3-4 and not even have the skill set to be edge rushers 90% of a game.


I was referring to possibly going after one of the top two OLB in the first round but that the Packers have too many other needs. I just don't think that players like Perry or Neal are fit for the position. Perry because of constant injury and Neal being below-average to average.

Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr both come from 3-4 systems, first round talent. I believe one of these two would help with the pass rush (so would another great defensive lineman).

Am I missing what you are saying?
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#9 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 12:19:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
I was referring to possibly going after one of the top two OLB in the first round but that the Packers have too many other needs. I just don't think that players like Perry or Neal are fit for the position. Perry because of constant injury and Neal being below-average to average.

Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr both come from 3-4 systems, first round talent. I believe one of these two would help with the pass rush (so would another great defensive lineman).

Am I missing what you are saying?


It is interesting. We DO need prototypical 3-4 LBs, both OLB and ILB. I would love to Ted to draft one or two high, and get the best he can possibly land. We need that.

As for Neal, I wonder if he is done developing as a OLB, and I would think not. Maybe he is about to become something special. To me, this is one of the key problems in strict D & D… the amount of time it takes many of these players to find their groove and become key contributors. At this point, we are not really absolutely sure what we have with this player...
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#10 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 12:47:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
I was referring to possibly going after one of the top two OLB in the first round but that the Packers have too many other needs. I just don't think that players like Perry or Neal are fit for the position. Perry because of constant injury and Neal being below-average to average.

Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr both come from 3-4 systems, first round talent. I believe one of these two would help with the pass rush (so would another great defensive lineman).

Am I missing what you are saying?


Sounds good to me. Solve the Safety problem in free agency (or with supremely good luck, Nick Collins), then get a top flight OLB in the first round. And the type of OLB you are talking about, I like that also.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:18:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Sounds good to me. Solve the Safety problem in free agency (or with supremely good luck, Nick Collins), then get a top flight OLB in the first round. And the type of OLB you are talking about, I like that also.



Or just sign a prove 3-4 OLB via free agency. Ted Thompson obviously doesn't have the best luck finding those types of players in the draft.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:44:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
It is interesting. We DO need prototypical 3-4 LBs, both OLB and ILB. I would love to Ted to draft one or two high, and get the best he can possibly land. We need that.

As for Neal, I wonder if he is done developing as a OLB, and I would think not. Maybe he is about to become something special. To me, this is one of the key problems in strict D & D… the amount of time it takes many of these players to find their groove and become key contributors. At this point, we are not really absolutely sure what we have with this player...


Slim him down a little more and move him to S!
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#13 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:07:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
Or just sign a prove 3-4 OLB via free agency. Ted Thompson obviously doesn't have the best luck finding those types of players in the draft.


Seems like the chances of a LB either O or I being able to play effectively in his first year after the draft are better than a rookie Safety. Safety also seems to be the more urgent immediate problem. I'd rather they get the Safety in free agency, and use maybe the first two draft picks for LBs. Not to defend Thompson to too great an extent, but he did draft Matthews.

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#14 Posted : Friday, February 7, 2014 8:16:00 AM(UTC)
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He also drafted Collins…

Regardless, I don't particularly want us suffering through another two year learning curve window for a rookie S, and would rather see them land a good veteran if one is available. Byrd would be incredibly awesome for us, IMO.

As for Neal, I would rather go with a proven upgrade at OLB than roll the dice with Neal developing further.
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#15 Posted : Friday, February 7, 2014 9:54:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Seems like the chances of a LB either O or I being able to play effectively in his first year after the draft are better than a rookie Safety. Safety also seems to be the more urgent immediate problem. I'd rather they get the Safety in free agency, and use maybe the first two draft picks for LBs. Not to defend Thompson to too great an extent, but he did draft Matthews.



Safety is fine, too. But depending on rookies to come in and excel in their rookie season would really keep me up at night. I could never be a general manager using Ted Thompson's style. As I have said before, he just seems to trust 21-23 year olds who have never played in the NFL before much more than I would. =)
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#16 Posted : Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:54:12 PM(UTC)
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Just because one player (Walden) gets over paid doesn't mean another player (Neal) will... though it could. I think the Packers really like Neal and still would like to use him at both OLB and DL.

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#17 Posted : Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:23:20 PM(UTC)
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I tend to agree with Beast on this one
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#18 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 1:41:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Just because one player (Walden) gets over paid doesn't mean another player (Neal) will... though it could. I think the Packers really like Neal and still would like to use him at both OLB and DL.



True, but I would much rather have Neal than Walden. I'm sure there are plenty of NFL general managers that feel the same way. There will be a market for him. Hopefully it's not too much, though, because Neal disappears far too much to be worth a big contract. Good backup/rotational player, though.
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#19 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 5:12:42 PM(UTC)
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I do like Mike Neal, but he is no OLB in a 3-4. He's a 4-3 DE and should go play for a team that uses him in that capacity.

I wish we would quit putting these square pegs in round holes and just go get a proven OLB in free agency - same with our SS position. We're fucking up and wasting Rodgers career, just like we did with Cock n Crocs.
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Neal, IMO, is pretty much a back-up kind of player. The kind of player you like to have for depth, but nothing special. If you get him for back up dollars, you keep him; if you don't, you let him go and you find another back-up kind of guy to replace him.

The Packers' problem is they need more and improved starter-quality players. Several more. They have no shortage of depth on defense -- what they lack is demonstrated high-level starters.

Definite starter quality: Matthews, Daniels, T. Williams, Shields (if re-signed), Hawk.
Probably starter quality: Hayward, Burnett (call 2013 his mulligan year).
To soon to call, so give benefit of doubt and assume they develop. But still potential only: Perry, Datone Jones.
Worth giving a serious chance to start, but if he can't beat out Brad Jones? Lattimore.
I wish it weren't true, but he looked seriously on decline last year: Pickett.
The rest? I find it hard to get excited about any of them. Backups all.

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#21 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 7:31:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
Neal, IMO, is pretty much a back-up kind of player. The kind of player you like to have for depth, but nothing special. If you get him for back up dollars, you keep him; if you don't, you let him go and you find another back-up kind of guy to replace him.

The Packers' problem is they need more and improved starter-quality players. Several more. They have no shortage of depth on defense -- what they lack is demonstrated high-level starters.

Definite starter quality: Matthews, Daniels, T. Williams, Shields (if re-signed), Hawk.
Probably starter quality: Hayward, Burnett (call 2013 his mulligan year).
To soon to call, so give benefit of doubt and assume they develop. But still potential only: Perry, Datone Jones.
Worth giving a serious chance to start, but if he can't beat out Brad Jones? Lattimore.
I wish it weren't true, but he looked seriously on decline last year: Pickett.
The rest? I find it hard to get excited about any of them. Backups all.

Neal included.



Good Points. I would add Burnett to "Definite starter quality", Datone Jones to "Probable starter quality", and Worthy with Lattimore as worthy (no pun intended) of a serious chance to start.

As for Neal, probably somebody will pay him more than he is worth to the Packers.

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