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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:20:17 PM(UTC)
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Three starts, three picks. I am IMPRESSED.

Anyone have some stats on this man? How many catches has he given up to his guy that he's covering?
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Offline tromadz  
#2 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:24:29 PM(UTC)
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Tramon is good. He's decent in coverage, makes some big plays, and if you throw underneath, he WILL tackle you.

Unlike collins and most everyone else who tries to hit instead of tackle...


Go Tramon!!!!!!!!
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#3 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:28:33 PM(UTC)
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Williams keeps getting better and better and better...

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Unlike collins and most everyone else who tries to hit instead of tackle...


Also your wrong by throwing Collins name in there. Collins tackles unlike all the other Safetys (which Bigby is usually fine because he's hits put people to the ground). And Collins has made a lot of one on one last man to beat tackles.
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Offline tromadz  
#4 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:32:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Williams keeps getting better and better and better...

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Unlike collins and most everyone else who tries to hit instead of tackle...


Also your wrong by throwing Collins name in there. Collins tackles unlike all the other Safetys (which Bigby is usually fine because he's hits put people to the ground). And Collins has made a lot of one on one last man to beat tackles.


that sounds like a lie. Whats your email, ill send you a copy of the game.
Offline beast  
#5 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:35:56 PM(UTC)
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Williams keeps getting better and better and better...

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Unlike collins and most everyone else who tries to hit instead of tackle...


Also your wrong by throwing Collins name in there. Collins tackles unlike all the other Safetys (which Bigby is usually fine because he's hits put people to the ground). And Collins has made a lot of one on one last man to beat tackles.


that sounds like a lie. Whats your email, ill send you a copy of the game.


It may sound like a lie but if you watch the games, you would know it's not. And sorry I don't give my E-mail to people that don't know what they heck their talking about.
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Offline mi_keys  
#6 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:36:01 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Williams keeps getting better and better and better...

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Unlike collins and most everyone else who tries to hit instead of tackle...


Also your wrong by throwing Collins name in there. Collins tackles unlike all the other Safetys (which Bigby is usually fine because he's hits put people to the ground). And Collins has made a lot of one on one last man to beat tackles.


Yep, Collins is a very good tackler.

I've been very pleased with Tramon Williams. If he keeps it up he'll develop into quite the replacement for Al Harris or Charles Woodson.
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Offline brnt247  
#7 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:36:29 PM(UTC)
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Collins is one of our best tacklers. Much better than Tramon at least, and that isn't a slight against Tramon.
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Offline tromadz  
#8 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:38:50 PM(UTC)
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Do I really have to make a Collins missed tackle Low-light reel? Cuz I will...
Offline brnt247  
#9 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:42:17 PM(UTC)
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If you can find me a low light reel of Collins from 2008 I would be surprised to say the least... He's been extremely solid this year in coverage and in stopping the run.
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Offline beast  
#10 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:45:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Anyone have some stats on this man?


His stats are better when the Packers are losing (not by much)

2nd quarters are his worse for stats, 4th quarter is his best.

And he plays better in the 2nd half with all of his picks then. And 3 more pass defended and more tackles.

He has more tackles at home games and when the score is within 7.

But has more pass defends and picks when away and the score is between 8 and 14.

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
How many catches has he given up to his guy that he's covering?


I don't know where to find the cool stats like this.
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Offline IronMan  
#11 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:46:17 PM(UTC)
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Do I really have to make a Collins missed tackle Low-light reel? Cuz I will...

Yes, with Benny Hill music.
Offline tromadz  
#12 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:47:56 PM(UTC)
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Do I really have to make a Collins missed tackle Low-light reel? Cuz I will...

Yes, with Benny Hill music.


yakkety sax it is
Offline beast  
#13 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:51:51 PM(UTC)
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Do I really have to make a Collins missed tackle Low-light reel? Cuz I will...


While your at it, make a Low-light reel of Woodson, because like every player in the NFL, you could make one a low light real of them. Doesn't mean their bad as you say. Heck I've seen on of Tom Brady using stuff from just last year, doesn't mean he was a bad player last year.

I don't understand why people hate on Collins. His only big problem is he doesn't make big plays very often. And this year so far he is making big plays.
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Offline JNelson87  
#14 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:53:35 PM(UTC)
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Collins been good this year. I can remember at times he missed some tackles, to be honest last year I wouldnt have cared if we got rid of Collins only in a trade. He's had alot of flashes early in his career but was incosistent, this year is totally different. He's on his way to be a great player if he keeps playing like he is this year.

Tramon is a beast, I liked him ever since he returned that punt for a TD last year. I never really thought of him as a coverage CB til this year, even though he had a few INT's last year. I kinda figured he'd be so-so on defense but be a monster on special teams. He looked good today tho hopefully he can keep it up and we can get some more defensive turnovers. I think that's a big reason why we're not winning games because last year we always were pickin it off or recovering fumbles. This year we havent done it much besides the Detroit game. We won that so if we get more turnovers, we'll get more chances and maybe win a few ina row again.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#15 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:53:44 PM(UTC)
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Let's get this BACK to Tramon Williams please. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Offline beast  
#16 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:55:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
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Do I really have to make a Collins missed tackle Low-light reel? Cuz I will...

Yes, with Benny Hill music.


yakkety sax it is


while your at it, could you make a highlight reel of Will Blackmon, Charles Woodson and Brady Poppinga?

Please :icon_smile:
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Offline Pack93z  
#17 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:57:56 PM(UTC)
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Tramon had another very solid game.. kid is gaining confidence on the field and starting find a groove.. definately a piece to the future as well as the current.


Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post

I don't understand why people hate on Collins. His only big problem is he doesn't make big plays very often. And this year so far he is making big plays.


While he does have a problem at times of using proper techniques in tackling.. the kid plays solid ball with excellent range, good angles and decent ball skills.

People hate on him because the camera doesn't follow him, but the kid is all over the place. The glue.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline Greg C.  
#18 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:18:35 PM(UTC)
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Coming into this season, I thought Al Harris was the defensive player we could least afford to lose, but Tramon has proven me wrong. He's been as good as Harris so far. When he made that interception today, I saw that ball up in the air and I yelled "Turn around!" Just when I thought it was too late, he suddenly turned around and caught it!

Ball skills. You can't teach that.
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Offline JRR_Packerfan1791  
#19 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:20:35 PM(UTC)
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our secondary is going to be crazy when atari bigby and al harris get back
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Offline blueleopard  
#20 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:33:53 PM(UTC)
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When Bigby gets back, yeah, I'd agree. There'll be less big plays against us.

But with Al... I hate to say it--but I almost don't miss him.

Which begs the question. Would you rather have someone who's a ballhawk, or would you rather have one side of the field totally shut down?
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Offline Greg C.  
#21 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:37:01 PM(UTC)
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When Bigby gets back, yeah, I'd agree. There'll be less big plays against us.

But with Al... I hate to say it--but I almost don't miss him.

Which begs the question. Would you rather have someone who's a ballhawk, or would you rather have one side of the field totally shut down?


I'm not sure yet how Williams compares to Harris, because Williams hasn't gone up against any good receivers or QB's yet. But so far so good.
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Offline tromadz  
#22 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:38:10 PM(UTC)
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People hate on him because the camera doesn't follow him, but the kid is all over the place. The glue.


are u accusing me of not watching the games? I see...IT ALL!
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#23 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:38:57 PM(UTC)
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Which begs the question. Would you rather have someone who's a ballhawk, or would you rather have one side of the field totally shut down?


That is an easy one.. shutdown.. it allows you so much more flexiblity in your defense... whether it is rolling coverage over or shading up in run support.. it gives you so many options in coverage if you wanted it, it isn't even funny.

Even a shutdown gets burned once in a while.. but for a DC.. give me those dice and I will roll with them everytime.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline Pack93z  
#24 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:40:44 PM(UTC)
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People hate on him because the camera doesn't follow him, but the kid is all over the place. The glue.


are u accusing me of not watching the games? I see...IT ALL!


Maybe the shot glass got in the way a couple of times.. :lol:

No accusing at all.. just an opinion of reading numerous posts around the cybersphere.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#25 Posted : Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:46:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Do I really have to make a Collins missed tackle Low-light reel? Cuz I will...


Show me a low-light reel and I will show you a high-light reel twice as long.
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