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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 1:54:55 PM(UTC)

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GREEN BAY, Wis. -- As we head toward the NFL scouting combine, which starts Wednesday in Indianapolis, it's a good time to look at the Green Bay Packers' greatest needs this offseason and which prospects general manager Ted Thompson might be taking a closer look at during workouts and interviews this week.

Which position is the greatest need could be debated, but there's no arguing that it's on the defensive side of the ball.
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#2 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 2:45:58 PM(UTC)

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That's it? I found myself looking for Page 2.

Safety is a position where a rookie often takes longer to excell. Whoever we get is almost sure to start, and it's basically a crapshoot whether the guy would be great in his first year no matter how good a player he is. I'd much rather we grab a Safety in free agency, and use the first two draft picks for LBs.
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 4:07:35 PM(UTC)

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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
That's it? I found myself looking for Page 2.

Safety is a position where a rookie often takes longer to excell. Whoever we get is almost sure to start, and it's basically a crapshoot whether the guy would be great in his first year no matter how good a player he is. I'd much rather we grab a Safety in free agency, and use the first two draft picks for LBs.


Micah Hyde, Micah Hyde, Hicah Hyde, Micah Hyde.

Oh yeah, I think Micah Hyde should be our Strong Safety!
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#4 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 5:51:40 PM(UTC)

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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Micah Hyde, Micah Hyde, Hicah Hyde, Micah Hyde.

Oh yeah, I think Micah Hyde should be our Strong Safety!


Maybe, but I'm not so sure he'd reach his peak right away - same as drafting a hot shot #1 pick. We can afford somebody like Byrd or Ward. I think THAT is the best course to a Super Bowl.

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#5 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 6:03:15 PM(UTC)

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I think they need to add several good candidates for the Safety positions. Let the best tandem win.
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#6 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 8:59:51 PM(UTC)

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I think they need to add several good candidates for the Safety positions. Let the best tandem win.


You stud! Way to throw your nuts out there swinging in the wind. You're my hero, Zero! [grin1]
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#7 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 9:28:43 PM(UTC)

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I think they need to add several good candidates for the Safety positions. Let the best tandem win.


Are you talking about a top flight free agent AND the #1 pick? Then we wouldn't be doing justice to ILB and OLB. And any less than that would imply taking the best of a mediocre group - which didn't work so good the last couple of seasons.

Just get either Byrd or Ward in free agency, and pair him with Burnett. That will solve the problem.

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:40:27 PM(UTC)

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Statistically speaking we should try to stockpile as many 2nd round picks as possible.
Our 2nd rounders are usually better than the 1st rounders.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:48:29 AM(UTC)

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Statistically speaking we should try to stockpile as many 2nd round picks as possible.
Our 2nd rounders are usually better than the 1st rounders.




In all seriousness I'd either like to see us trade up to get a "surefire" started in the defensive backfield or D-line or to trade back and try to stockpile some 2nd round picks. This way we could probably get a decent safety, DLmen, and then maybe a Wideout or Tightend. This seems like one of those years that Teddy might go back to the round 2 WR well.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:01:44 AM(UTC)

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We are solid in the D-Line right now - Daniels, Worthy, D. Jones, Boyd, and Jolly.

Safety would best be addressed in free agency because of the need for immediate improvement - which wouldn't be guaranteed even by one of the top Safeties mentioned in the article. Do that, then use the top two picks to get the best ILB and OLB available.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:44:03 PM(UTC)

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We are solid in the D-Line right now - Daniels, Worthy, D. Jones, Boyd, and Jolly.

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If you think that is solid.. Oh my. Your expectations are reeally low.


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#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 19, 2014 8:53:22 PM(UTC)

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We are solid in the D-Line right now - Daniels, Worthy, D. Jones, Boyd, and Jolly.

Safety would best be addressed in free agency because of the need for immediate improvement - which wouldn't be guaranteed even by one of the top Safeties mentioned in the article. Do that, then use the top two picks to get the best ILB and OLB available.


Is there a way to address the safety position in free agency that is not named Jarius Byrd?
Maybe I'm missing something but it's either Byrd or the draft or we have to hope for a genetically modfied MD Jennings.

I woud love to know what Teddy plans to do in this draft I have the feeling this is the first time that draft for need might win over BPA.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:00:35 PM(UTC)

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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
We are solid in the D-Line right now - Daniels, Worthy, D. Jones, Boyd, and Jolly.

Safety would best be addressed in free agency because of the need for immediate improvement - which wouldn't be guaranteed even by one of the top Safeties mentioned in the article. Do that, then use the top two picks to get the best ILB and OLB available.


I don't agree that the D-Line is solid with the mentioned players bit it probably is what it is.
I do agree with your take on the safety and linebacker situations.
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#14 Posted : Friday, February 21, 2014 2:02:17 PM(UTC)

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Micah Hyde, Micah Hyde, Hicah Hyde, Micah Hyde.

Oh yeah, I think Micah Hyde should be our Strong Safety!


Thank you.

I've been slinging around free agent names in the free agency threads and I came to a halt today, especially after McCarthy spoke at the combine. Micah Hyde was mentioned and McCarthy said he wants him to be a three down player, including some work at safety. Why not just give him the full-time job at safety?

Hyde has decent experience at safety from his days at Iowa. He wasn't bad at all playing the position either. He's a decent corner, who lacks the man-to-man coverage from time to time (imo). He's a better player in space. He also has the speed and physicality (I'd say he is physical like Woodson, not on par skill wise but similar) to play at safety. He is bigger, but not as big as the two top safeties in this class.

Packers move Hyde to safety and they still have Williams, Shields (pending re-signing), Hayward and House at the cornerback position. Moving Hyde to safety would also allow the Packers to focus their 1-2 round draft picks on let's say...defensive line and linebacker. They shouldn't neglect the safety position in the draft but maybe someone like Jimmie Ward is there in the 3rd round. Take him then, let him learn and then play for a starting job.

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#15 Posted : Friday, February 21, 2014 2:37:26 PM(UTC)

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Is there a way to address the safety position in free agency that is not named Jarius Byrd?
Maybe I'm missing something but it's either Byrd or the draft or we have to hope for a genetically modfied MD Jennings.

I woud love to know what Teddy plans to do in this draft I have the feeling this is the first time that draft for need might win over BPA.


Yes. There is T.J. Ward from the Browns. He is a quality cover Safety, and he should be a little bit cheaper than Byrd.

There is some merit in solving the problem in house with Hyde (or Hayward or even Tramon Williams), then drafting or signing a Corner - like Verner or Tillman also.

I say again, the D-Line with the five guys I mentioned above and maybe a low round pick or UDFA is plenty good enough. Just getting rid of the two fat pigs that constituted the bulk (no pun intended) of the problem will make the line MUCH better. The quality and mobility of Daniels and probable quality and mobility of Worthy and D. Jones will make for a serious upgrade. It seems like the posters claiming these guys aren't enough just want to draft some new fat piece of crap/Raji clone - something we absolutely don't need.

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