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Offline RaiderPride  
#1 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 7:05:41 PM(UTC)

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NINE years is a long time to be the on field leader and head coach of any NFL Team. Regardless. Mike has done his job, brought the Lombardi back to Lombardi.

He is a hero, and will go into the Packers hall of fame. I am a huge fan. However I also am a huge fan of taking a risk.

I love what Mike has accomplished... However, sometimes an opportunity is out there in front of you that Might Just be Worth The Risk.

How about McCarthy to 49ers for Harbaugh and a first round pick and two thirds?

HEY.. HARBAUGH IS AVAILABLE. (Read the NFL trade news.)

Sure he is a bitcher.. But he would look good bitching on the sidelines in Green Bay.




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#2 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 7:16:37 PM(UTC)

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The only coach I'd want to replace McCarthy is the guy we should have hired instead of McCarthy: Sean Payton. I think Payton and Rodgers would be unstoppable together.
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 7:45:38 PM(UTC)

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F Harbaugh. He's a good coach and all on the field but it seems they also have really good coordinators in SF and a GM that has built a pretty stacked team yet Harbaugh has created what looks like a pretty toxic environment. That's a good team but I don't have much confidence in them being able to overcome much adversity should it strike. If that team happens to lose a few games in a row it'll probably collapse. Guy comes off as a complete lunatic, no thanks. McCarthy isn't the greatest ever but he's still a top coach and he's consistent and this team pretty much always has a good environment no matter what happens.
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#4 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 8:55:42 PM(UTC)

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Make a play for the athletic trainer at Stanford.
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#5 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 9:16:25 PM(UTC)

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#6 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47:57 PM(UTC)

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I'd take McCarthy over Harbaugh in a straight up deal, but no coach makes a significant enough difference to be worth a first and two third round picks.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:14:49 AM(UTC)

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It would be stomach churning to have Harbaugh on the Packers sidelines.
Like Steve says, he comes off as a lunatic.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:20:28 AM(UTC)

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I do not like Jim Harbaugh at all. John Harbaugh, sure. Jim, no.


Also, if a coach brings your team to three straight NFC title games, one super bowl in his three years of coaching and he's "available", there's good reason for his availability. Packers don't need that.


Packers need to stay healthy and get a new OL coach and suddenly the coaching staff is one of the top five in the NFL.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:20:53 AM(UTC)

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Also, if a coach brings your team to three straight NFC title games, one super bowl in his three years of coaching and he's "available", there's good reason for his availability. Packers don't need that.
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Exactly. I was listening to ESPN last night and although they didn't go in on the specifics, they said Harbaugh is certainly rocking the boat there in addition to demanding a pretty big extension. He seems like way more of a headache than he's worth.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:44:03 AM(UTC)

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I do not like Jim Harbaugh at all. John Harbaugh, sure. Jim, no.


Also, if a coach brings your team to three straight NFC title games, one super bowl in his three years of coaching and he's "available", there's good reason for his availability. Packers don't need that.


Packers need to stay healthy and get a new OL coach and suddenly the coaching staff is one of the top five in the NFL.


So what you are saying is Jimbo is not Packer People.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:02:26 AM(UTC)

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Coaches are MADE by the players they coach. I have a high opinion of Mike McCarthy, but ask yourself where he would be without Aaron Rodgers. I don't like Harbaugh for the same reasons others have stated, but where would he be if Kaepernick didn't fall from the sky and the Niners didn't hit it big with a couple of LBs?

The era of Vince Lombardi type coaches that bring out stuff in players that others can't, that's long gone. You might say what about scheming/innovating/whatever? Anything anybody comes up with that really works good is very quickly adopted in one form or another by just about everybody - both offense and defense.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 9:01:40 AM(UTC)

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Coaches are MADE by the players they coach. I have a high opinion of Mike McCarthy, but ask yourself where he would be without Aaron Rodgers. I don't like Harbaugh for the same reasons others have stated, but where would he be if Kaepernick didn't fall from the sky and the Niners didn't hit it big with a couple of LBs?
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But that's true of everyone. You can't make chicken salad out of ---. What coach was going to make Cleveland into a playoff team with Richardson traded, and Weeden and Campbell at QB?

There is something to be said for controlling egos, keeping teams consistent, and managing talent. We've seen A.R. blow up on the sidelines but from all other appearances M.M. had A.R. buy into what he sells. I am a coach now and trust me, one of the biggest challenges is keeping my top athletes humble, grounded, and compliant. He's maintained a good locker room and a consistently successful team. I'm not a huge Harbaugh fan, but he did turn that team around overnight after Singletary was let go. We saw the difference Payton made for N.O. this year.

You just said you have a high opinion of Mike, so to some extent I'm preaching to the choir, I'm just saying that even with a great QB or top talent, it's not as easy as it seems. Ask Jim Schwartz.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:28:24 AM(UTC)

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Coaches are MADE by the players they coach. I have a high opinion of Mike McCarthy, but ask yourself where he would be without Aaron Rodgers. I don't like Harbaugh for the same reasons others have stated, but where would he be if Kaepernick didn't fall from the sky and the Niners didn't hit it big with a couple of LBs?

The era of Vince Lombardi type coaches that bring out stuff in players that others can't, that's long gone. You might say what about scheming/innovating/whatever? Anything anybody comes up with that really works good is very quickly adopted in one form or another by just about everybody - both offense and defense.


Aaron would be Alex Smith. if Mike hadn't been brought aboard to develop him.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:25:07 PM(UTC)

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Aaron would be Alex Smith. if Mike hadn't been brought aboard to develop him.


You REALLY think that? I say bullshit. A former TE magically coaching up an already polished QB to be the world's greatest? I don't think so.

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#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:42:53 PM(UTC)

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Aaron would be Alex Smith. if Mike hadn't been brought aboard to develop him.


Doubt it. Alex Smith doesn't have any confidence making a tough throw. He doesn't have the balls to make a throw into tight coverage or down field often. Rodgers has been making those throws since Butte and that's the largest difference between the two and it's a mentality thing not a coaching thing.
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