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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 5:51:51 AM(UTC)
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Defensive end B.J. Raji reportedly turned down a contract offering him $8 million a year from the Packers last year and turned in his second straight season without a sack, leading some to believe that he'd finished his run in Green Bay. That judgment appears to have been a bit premature. Adam Schefter of ESPN...
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#2 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 6:13:43 AM(UTC)
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Better not be for much money. There's no way we should pay him enough that we'll have to rely on him to perform at a high level or be forced to give him many snaps if he isn't performing. Fool me once and such.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 6:33:04 AM(UTC)
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I assume this is for cheap and they're going to put him back at NT and allow him to shoot the gaps and not just occupy guys.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 6:34:21 AM(UTC)
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Veteran minimum with $1 million for each full sack earned. I'd be down.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 6:41:48 AM(UTC)
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He gets a one year shot at redemption. Coaches should play him at his proper position and let him do his thing.

Might try a little harder if they put him in a position to look good.

Gives Ted another year to replace him, so he can focus on S this year.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 6:50:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
He gets a one year shot at redemption. Coaches should play him at his proper position and let him do his thing.

Might try a little harder if they put him in a position to look good.

Gives Ted another year to replace him, so he can focus on S this year.


The thing I hate about moving him back to NT and doing what he wants is it just seems to send the message that you can mope about and eventually get what you want. The other thing is if he plays well it begs the question of why they didn't do it sooner. Either way, if resigned, I hope he plays motivated at not getting money this offseason.

The last bit about being able to focus elsewhere is probably the biggest positive I can get from this.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:09:27 AM(UTC)
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Darin Gantt wrote:
If Packers defensive lineman B.J. Raji ends up taking the one-year deal he's reportedly close accepting, it will go down as one of the worst cases in recent memory of a player overestimating his market. According to Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, the Packers had offered Raji both one- and two-year deals in an...
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#8 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:09:48 AM(UTC)
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They can sign him for a year. I am sure it will not be expensive. The signing bonus will be small if any. That will help give the young DL guys a little more time to develop.

If he goes away I can live with that too.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:10:07 AM(UTC)
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They can sign him for a year. I am sure it will not be expensive. The signing bonus will be small if any. That will help give the young DL guys a little more time to develop.

If he goes away I can live with that too.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:13:54 AM(UTC)
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report is $4 mil
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The Packers had offered Raji the options of one- and two-year contracts, the Journal Sentinel learned. For one year, their offer was for about $4 million
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#11 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:31:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra Go to Quoted Post
The thing I hate about moving him back to NT and doing what he wants is it just seems to send the message that you can mope about and eventually get what you want. The other thing is if he plays well it begs the question of why they didn't do it sooner. Either way, if resigned, I hope he plays motivated at not getting money this offseason.

The last bit about being able to focus elsewhere is probably the biggest positive I can get from this.


I don't think moving him to NT is doing what HE wants. It is what is best for the team. I believe the reason they had him playing at DE was more a limitation of Pickett than anything else. They wanted both Raji and Pickett on the field and there was more of a drop off having Pickett at DE than Raji.

Will need to see what the deal is worth, I would hope maybe 4mil for the season.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:36:36 AM(UTC)
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Boyd occupies and Raji gets back to what he used to do. Would be nice to see. Also no injuries in 2014!
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#13 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:14:20 AM(UTC)
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Report was $8 million per year, $20 million guaranteed was offered during the season. If he signs for one year $4 million even if all is guaranteed, I would have to question how long the agent is continually employed by B.J. Raji.

If Raji fires the agent, then I would believe the agent overestimated Raji's value.

If Raji does not fire the agent, then I would believe Raji told his agent to STFU and 'SHOW ME THE MONEY'.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:27:30 AM(UTC)
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SHI-I-I-I-T!!!! I wake up to THIS?

I don't care if the fat piece of crap plays for nothing, the Packers are MUCH better off without him on the field.
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Offline Laser Gunns  
#15 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 12:43:45 PM(UTC)
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craaap.

well, if anything, it takes some of the pressure off this offseason.

because as of right now we dont have:

FS
NT
DE
C
TE
FB
outside CB


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these are not just areas that we are weak in, we flat out have nobody who can play the positions at a high enough level to compete with the NFC's best.

I'm not saying Raji is that high-level player, obviously he is not. but we only have so many draft picks and moves we can make this offseason to fill these positions.

ive been kind of thinking about this in 2 ways.

1. Raji is the only guy we have who can play NT without changing positions. we dont need more Jarius Wynn/CJ Wilson-types who dont fit.

2. Raji might be better at end then at NT, which could again help by only having to replace 1 position on the line rather than both.

unfortunatly, Ted has had some shitty drafts for defense, and our number of "consistently good players" is about 0 at this point.


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Offline DakotaT  
#16 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:03:16 PM(UTC)
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I still have home and away Raji jerseys hanging in my closest that I'm willing to sell, real cheap!!!!! Never been worn because his suckage started real early in 2011.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:26:50 PM(UTC)
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This deal wouldn't even guarantee him a roster spot, so it’s not worth getting excited about one way or the other. They’re telling him to go out there and prove his worth to them and the rest of the league.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:53:50 PM(UTC)
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This deal wouldn't even guarantee him a roster spot, so it’s not worth getting excited about one way or the other. They’re telling him to go out there and prove his worth to them and the rest of the league.


That depends on whether there is guaranteed money.

I say again, the Packers are better off with Raji GONE. And we DO have decent players in the D-Line. We do NOT need a fat piece of crap like Raji - not him, not Nix or somebody like that drafted early.

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#19 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:06:15 PM(UTC)
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That depends on whether there is guaranteed money.

I say again, the Packers are better off with Raji GONE. And we DO have decent players in the D-Line. We do NOT need a fat piece of crap like Raji - not him, not Nix or somebody like that drafted early.




im curious who you believe these "decent" players are.

Worthy- unimpressive rookie year, blew out a knee which cost him another.

Datone- diddnt do much to prove anything

Boyd - (see Datone)

Danials- maybe

Wilson- proven awful (FA)

Jolly- neck injury, faded as the season went on. (FA)

Pickett- sucks (FA)

Raji- sucks (FA)

we have 4 guys under contract, and collectively they probably make up one of, if not THE worst DL in football going into this season.


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#20 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:15:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Laser Gunns Go to Quoted Post
im curious who you believe these "decent" players are.


I have said, Daniels, Worthy, and D. Jones starting in the D-Line, with Boyd and Jolly and maybe a low round pick in the rotation.

You have quality, mobility, and a degree of athleticism, and best of all, you don't have damn Raji.

hahahaha I see you answered your own question with an edit before I replied.
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#21 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:50:17 PM(UTC)
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Maybe some should just sit back and wait a few days, nobody knows what information is being thrown around just keep the media busy.

Raji's gone, now Raji's back.

Shields wants 5 mil a year, Shields wants 10 mil a year.

Everybody has their own idea of what they want The Packer roster to look like and it's fun to try and guess what's going to happen.

In the end, most are going to be disappointed, or very happy because they will be able to rail on Ted Thompson and some of the players he has decided to bring back.

The only real difference this year is that there is a large number of guys hitting the FA market.

Questions will start being answered starting in about a week and lasting for another 10 days or so.

My prediction

Pickett, Neal, Lattimore and Jolly(if healthy) eventually will be back on D.

Raji and Shields (and I hope I am wrong), will be offered more money than Ted wants to spend.

Francois, Wilson and Jennings never in the picture.

Flynn, Quarless, J. Jones, Kuhn, and EDS will be back on offense.
Starks will get an offer to high to turn down.
Finley will leave because I just don't see The Packers taking the chance of him re-injuring himself.

Newhouse, Wallace and Bell were never in the picture.

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#22 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 5:24:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
I don't think moving him to NT is doing what HE wants. It is what is best for the team. I believe the reason they had him playing at DE was more a limitation of Pickett than anything else. They wanted both Raji and Pickett on the field and there was more of a drop off having Pickett at DE than Raji.

Will need to see what the deal is worth, I would hope maybe 4mil for the season.


I'm wasn't talking about him playing NT but more how they plan on using him. It's no secret he doesn't like the scheme and being asked to absorb blocks instead of being turned loose to attack more in the backfield.

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#23 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:07:30 PM(UTC)
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Much of Raji's problems is he's terrible in Green Bay's sub packages. The Packers go to their sub-package more than their base. Connect the dots. This season, Datone Jones and Mike Daniels are the two guys they want playing in their sub packages. Daniels is a lock. I suspect his role will significantly increase next season. Jones is the wild card. He needs to take a big leap. Either way, though, you’re probably looking at a reduced role for Raji. My guess is they want him to fill Ryan Pickett’s role. He'd play the base and their short-yardage package. This could help him. It’s also disappointing for somebody who was the ninth overall pick.
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#24 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:36:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Laser Gunns Go to Quoted Post
im curious who you believe these "decent" players are.

Worthy- unimpressive rookie year, blew out a knee which cost him another.

Datone- diddnt do much to prove anything

Boyd - (see Datone)

Danials- maybe

Wilson- proven awful (FA)

Jolly- neck injury, faded as the season went on. (FA)

Pickett- sucks (FA)

Raji- sucks (FA)

we have 4 guys under contract, and collectively they probably make up one of, if not THE worst DL in football going into this season.


Daniels has been nothing but a beast for the Packers and continues to improve his game each season. Remember, he was immediately given the tag of being undersized and not adding much to the Packers defense. So far, he has added the most out of any defensive linemen the Packers have brought in the past 2-3 years. Not defending texaspackerbacker's claim but I believe a "maybe" isn't giving that guy the credit he deserves.
Aside from Daniels, the rest of this line is unproven. Da'tone might be the next best thing for this defensive line. Other than that, I don't see much.

I think a 1 year/$4 million deal with Raji at NT would benefit both sides but I doubt it happens. I am wondering if any of this rumor is true. Why would he reject $8 million a year but come back and accept a 1 year deal worth $4 million. What would make him come back for that kind of deal? I find it hard to believe there will not be a 4-3 team out there willing to overspend on him.
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#25 Posted : Friday, March 7, 2014 1:29:35 AM(UTC)
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Daniels has been nothing but a beast for the Packers and continues to improve his game each season. Remember, he was immediately given the tag of being undersized and not adding much to the Packers defense. So far, he has added the most out of any defensive linemen the Packers have brought in the past 2-3 years. Not defending texaspackerbacker's claim but I believe a "maybe" isn't giving that guy the credit he deserves.
Aside from Daniels, the rest of this line is unproven. Da'tone might be the next best thing for this defensive line. Other than that, I don't see much.

I think a 1 year/$4 million deal with Raji at NT would benefit both sides but I doubt it happens. I am wondering if any of this rumor is true. Why would he reject $8 million a year but come back and accept a 1 year deal worth $4 million. What would make him come back for that kind of deal? I find it hard to believe there will not be a 4-3 team out there willing to overspend on him.



I like Danny boy, but I need to see more. Need to see him with a higher snap % over a longer time.


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