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dan.prouty  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 6:17:27 AM(UTC)
Please do not do anything differently from the past. Hold players accountable, and use a next man up scheme to keep the Packers at the top of the NFCN, and be a challenging team in the playoffs.

You all play too much madden, thinking you can just sign a player and plug them in. I would much rather have guys who have been developed in Green Bay.

Just my opinion. As I read today, Charles Woodson (best FA pick up) was not signed until 2 days before the draft. (source)
buckfan1956  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 6:41:34 AM(UTC)
I agree Dan,

Seems every year there are reports of The Packers showing interest in certain top FA's who hit the market, the fans get their hopes up only to be dissapointed in the end that Ted sticks to his guns.

I guess signing Sam Shields was Teds big splash this year, just so happens Sam was The Packers FA, not another teams. I also believe The Browns forced Ted's hand, he wasn't going to let Sam get away, in the end he probably spent a little more than he wanted, hopefully it is money well spent.

Teds FA time is coming, will be interesting to see just which Packer FA's he decides to bring back.

Then when all the "big" money has been spent, he will look around and see if there is anybody left who was expecting a big pay day, only to be dissapointed in the fact that they overvalued themselves.

Woodson is a good example, nobody wanted him, he came to Green Bay, got off to a rocky start but in the end, Ted looked like a genius.

Will there be a "Woodson" in this years Fa?, I guess the answer to that question will come in about 2 weeks.
El3ment12  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 6:44:40 AM(UTC)
I still can't believe Woodson went from almost nobody wanting him, to being defensive player of the year.
PackFanWithTwins  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:00:04 AM(UTC)
While draft and develop is a nice way to build a team, it cannot be the only means. 22 starters between offense and defense. A team is really good/lucky to consistently pull 3 starters a year from the draft and UFA each year. That would take 7 years and by that time the team is losing players to FA and age already.

At some point FA must be used.
buckfan1956  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:14:25 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
While draft and develop is a nice way to build a team, it cannot be the only means. 22 starters between offense and defense. A team is really good/lucky to consistently pull 3 starters a year from the draft and UFA each year. That would take 7 years and by that time the team is losing players to FA and age already.

At some point FA must be used.


That's a good point.

Seems Ted will resign his guys that have proven to him they are worth a 2nd or 3rd contract before going outside the organization.

Shields is back, Lattimore is tendered.

There's 15 other Packer UFA's to sort through.

The fact that hardly any were mentioned in the 1st day probably means Ted's wait and see attitude is going to save the organizations some money.

Sure hopes he brings back EDS next then works on Jolly, Pickett and Raji(2 of the 3), let's not forget about Flynn, Quarless and Neal, and if there is money left over I would love to see James Jones and James Starks back.

Then there is the task of extending Jordy and Randall Cobb.

Just my opinion, but it seems that other teams UFA's are overvalued by the fans while The Packers UFA's are undervalued.

Only day 2 of Free Agency still time for Ted to surprise everyone with an outside signing.
Zero2Cool  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:29:31 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
While draft and develop is a nice way to build a team, it cannot be the only means. 22 starters between offense and defense. A team is really good/lucky to consistently pull 3 starters a year from the draft and UFA each year. That would take 7 years and by that time the team is losing players to FA and age already.

At some point FA must be used.


Tramon Williams was a free agent signing.
Sam Shields was a free agent signing.

DoddPower  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:03:21 AM(UTC)
It's totally fine to only use free agency for 3rd tier guys and undrafted free agency. But to do that, a team must draft very well, pretty much every season. The Packers have not drafted well enough to past few years to stick to a strict draft and develop philosophy, imo. Also, injuries have really hurt them. In extenuating circumstances such as several average at best players drafted and continued injuries, it's important to be flexible enough to use different techniques to address some weaknesses. I haven't seen much evidence that Ted Thompson exhibits that flexibility, and I think that's a mistake.

As I said in another thread, if the Packers utilize the same strategy they almost always do, they will still be a good team. They will make the playoffs and might even win a game. But I just can't see them going further than that. I just don't think rookies and a couple third tier free agents and undrafted free agents will be enough for the Packers to overcome their weaknesses and injuries that will inevitably occur. The team will remain competitive, but I feel like they will keep falling short. If for some reason the Packers actually stay healthy, Ted Thompson hits a grand slam in this years draft, and several young players take a giant leap, the Packers could take that proverbial next step, but all of that just seems like a much bigger gamble than overpaying a player or two a few million dollars. Let's hope the stars align, though.

Even if Ted Thompson doesn't gamble with overpaying free agents, he is certainly a big gambler. He puts a ton of faith in 20-24 years olds. I'm not sure I could take that same bet year after year. The Packers need to somehow pull a couple more Eddie Lacy's and Clay Mathews' out of their pocket in the draft this year.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:04:39 AM(UTC)
There's no denying, Ted has done a good job in the sense that he has kept the Packers near the top throughout his tenure. There's also no denying, that the Packers would be a mediocre team at best if not for the LUCK of having Aaron Rodgers - at the time, 50/50 with Alex Smith to be the #1 overall pick - fall to him at #21.

Bottom line: as good as the situation is, it could be a LOT better if Ted was just a little less cautious. You don't have to go hog wild into free agency (beyond just UDFAs), but participating about maybe double what he does, would make this Rodgers-era team indisputably the best.
The_Green_Ninja  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:41:05 AM(UTC)
I think this comes down to do we shoot for a 3-4 year window with a really, really strong team or an 8+ window with a good, not the best, but good possibly great young team?
DoddPower  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:54:43 AM(UTC)
The_Green_Ninja said: Go to Quoted Post
I think this comes down to do we shoot for a 3-4 year window with a really, really strong team or an 8+ window with a good, not the best, but good possibly great young team?


In my opinion, the team still has to draft better and have better luck with the injuries for the"good possibly great young team" option to come to fruition given your second option. Otherwise, it will likely just be a good team. Signing a few moderate free agents every few years isn't going to knock a team out of any window, either. In fact, it could do the exact opposite. Most of that is going to depend on having an elite QB, which the Packers currently have, but there's no guarantee for how long.
Yerko  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:21:24 AM(UTC)
This year, more than in the past...I see Packers fans getting more upset about Ted not making any moves in free agency. Clearly, its because we have all witnessed how poor this defense has played the past couple of seasons coupled with the cap increase and the Packers having $33 million available. While we have plenty of our own players to sign (still yet to happen aside from Shields and it will happen with a few others) I thought it was important that Ted and Co. at least go out and grab one *star* player, preferably at safety, to shape this defense up.

...that was until I saw how ridiculous some of these contracts were. Ted doesn't play this game and as a fan, I am happy he doesn't. Some of these teams are strapping themselves down (in the future) because of 1-2 players. Saints signed Byrd to a contract for 6 years and while this year might not have an affect, the upcoming years certainly will.

The only contract that has made me slightly upset so far is the TJ Ward/Broncos contract. Imo, that would have been an absolute steal and helped the Packers immensely at the safety position. 4 years/$23 million, $14 million guaranteed. Maybe the guaranteed money is a bit high but sometimes you have to make that move for a player like that, at that price (compared to what other players are getting). He's young, injury free and can play the position well.

I do agree though with the OP. I like that Ted is sticking to his guns and especially since this is one of the deepest drafts in awhile. There's a good chance we are able to re-sign some of our guys for a little cheaper than they used to be and pick up a couple of day 1 starters in the draft in rounds 1-3.
cheeseheads123  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 10:08:34 AM(UTC)
Yerko said: Go to Quoted Post
This year, more than in the past...I see Packers fans getting more upset about Ted not making any moves in free agency. Clearly, its because we have all witnessed how poor this defense has played the past couple of seasons coupled with the cap increase and the Packers having $33 million available. While we have plenty of our own players to sign (still yet to happen aside from Shields and it will happen with a few others) I thought it was important that Ted and Co. at least go out and grab one *star* player, preferably at safety, to shape this defense up.

...that was until I saw how ridiculous some of these contracts were. Ted doesn't play this game and as a fan, I am happy he doesn't. Some of these teams are strapping themselves down (in the future) because of 1-2 players. Saints signed Byrd to a contract for 6 years and while this year might not have an affect, the upcoming years certainly will.

The only contract that has made me slightly upset so far is the TJ Ward/Broncos contract. Imo, that would have been an absolute steal and helped the Packers immensely at the safety position. 4 years/$23 million, $14 million guaranteed. Maybe the guaranteed money is a bit high but sometimes you have to make that move for a player like that, at that price (compared to what other players are getting). He's young, injury free and can play the position well.

I do agree though with the OP. I like that Ted is sticking to his guns and especially since this is one of the deepest drafts in awhile. There's a good chance we are able to re-sign some of our guys for a little cheaper than they used to be and pick up a couple of day 1 starters in the draft in rounds 1-3.


I couldn't agree more.

The only two that were upsetting for me were the TJ Ward and Stevie Brown contracts.
QCHuskerFan  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:13:22 AM(UTC)
Yerko said: Go to Quoted Post
This year, more than in the past...I see Packers fans getting more upset about Ted not making any moves in free agency. Clearly, its because we have all witnessed how poor this defense has played the past couple of seasons coupled with the cap increase and the Packers having $33 million available. While we have plenty of our own players to sign (still yet to happen aside from Shields and it will happen with a few others) I thought it was important that Ted and Co. at least go out and grab one *star* player, preferably at safety, to shape this defense up.

...that was until I saw how ridiculous some of these contracts were. Ted doesn't play this game and as a fan, I am happy he doesn't. Some of these teams are strapping themselves down (in the future) because of 1-2 players. Saints signed Byrd to a contract for 6 years and while this year might not have an affect, the upcoming years certainly will.

The only contract that has made me slightly upset so far is the TJ Ward/Broncos contract. Imo, that would have been an absolute steal and helped the Packers immensely at the safety position. 4 years/$23 million, $14 million guaranteed. Maybe the guaranteed money is a bit high but sometimes you have to make that move for a player like that, at that price (compared to what other players are getting). He's young, injury free and can play the position well.

I do agree though with the OP. I like that Ted is sticking to his guns and especially since this is one of the deepest drafts in awhile. There's a good chance we are able to re-sign some of our guys for a little cheaper than they used to be and pick up a couple of day 1 starters in the draft in rounds 1-3.


I agree. And you would think we would have learned something from last year. Bad running game. Everyone screaming about Stephen Jackson. Ted Thompson doesn't budge. Drafts Lacy. Becomes OROY. Running game solved. Fans happy. Just another day for TT.

Now, bad defense. (Not the first year for that though). Fans clamoring to sign old, injured, expensive Free Agents. Ted Thompson doesn't budge. Man, I am excited for the draft!!!
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:27:19 AM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
I agree. And you would think we would have learned something from last year. Bad running game. Everyone screaming about Stephen Jackson. Ted Thompson doesn't budge. Drafts Lacy. Becomes OROY. Running game solved. Fans happy. Just another day for TT.

Now, bad defense. (Not the first year for that though). Fans clamoring to sign old, injured, expensive Free Agents. Ted Thompson doesn't budge. Man, I am excited for the draft!!!


Linebacker - Inside especially, Outside secondarily, yeah, I agree, but Safety, no. A proven veteran is what we need. Neither Ward - gone now - nor Byrd are chronic injury problems. Drafting a Safety and starting him would help down the road if the guy was good, but for this year, we need to fill that hole with an experienced but still talented veteran.

steveishere  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:29:01 AM(UTC)
I've never been a huge fan of the megadeal free agency. I won't complain over some starter level competition signings though at reasonable prices. I think you have to rely on the draft to get your playmakers and such. If we just had some good health for once everything would be fine lol.
QCHuskerFan  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:40:36 AM(UTC)
How much is reasonable to spend to repair a cracked windshield on a car with a blown engine?

When did we see the best Safety play in recent years? Was it coincidentally when our DL was the best? Is Jairus Byrd so good that he can provide pass coverage for 3,4, 5+ seconds? And step up to make TFL on every running play?

We are potentially losing 3 DL that accounted for 40 of the possible 48 starts in 2013. And they weren't very good starts. Who is going to step up and log those starts? That is way more important to me than blowing big money on a S. No S can cover up for bad DL play.
PackFanWithTwins  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:00:40 PM(UTC)
If we don't go out and spend some money in FA, what are we going to do with it? Even with Shields done. We have tons of space and along with the new CBA came a minimum cap. There is an amount of cap money we must spend. We could get ahead and do both Nelson and Cobb this year, but that will just leave us with huge cap space next year to deal with again.

We need a pass rush and there is far from a guarantee that what we have will be able to get that done. Would live for Matthews to come back 100% of what he was in the past, love for Perry and the rest to turn in to beasts on the line. But I'm not willing to bet the house on it (and it aint even a great house).

Just don't see inhouse players to justify getting paid enough to eat our cap space.
Laser Gunns  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:03:20 PM(UTC)



If this draft does not rock. I think the D is in for another crap year.

Too many holes.

Too many players not producing.
DoddPower  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:27:31 PM(UTC)
Laser Gunns said: Go to Quoted Post
If this draft does not rock. I think the D is in for another crap year.

Too many holes.

Too many players not producing.


Exactly. Ted Thompson gambles as much on the draft as other GM's gamble on free agency. It doesn't have to be all one way or another. There is a reasonable middle ground, at least for some teams. Ted and staff simply haven't been drafting good enough lately to only rely on the draft. He had better have a GREAT draft class this year, and have multiple young players take the next step. It's certainly possible, but it would make me nervous as a GM.
porky88  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:56:17 PM(UTC)
There’s a big gap between going on a free-agent spending spree and just boycotting the process altogether, which is what the Packers have done for the last several off-seasons. Personally, I’d prefer the Packers to settle in the middle.
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