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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:37:04 PM(UTC)
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I look at Free Agency by looking down the road and asking. If we spend on a player today, who will we not be able to sign next year of the year after. When I look at the team today, the answer I come up with is Nobody. There are none of our current players who justify a contract to use up that space. Which means we have the money available today to sign a free agent or two that fill needs with front loaded contracts that will leave the team in no worse shape down the road while giving us a better chance now also.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:09:54 PM(UTC)
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For this year

EDS or FA this year, still need a Center.
Pickett, Raji , Jolly or a couple of FA Tackles this year.
Matt Flynn or viable FA back up QB

Next year UFA's as of today.

I'll let you decide who isn't worth brining back, so Ted can sign a couple of 1st day "Big money UFA's from other teams.

JMHO, but I would lock up Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Bulaga, Barclay and Williams before FA starts next year.

Or The Packers can just gamble on a couple of 1st day FA's, rookies and Undrafted Fa's to get them to another Superbowl.

Jordy Nelson

Randall Cobb

Jarret Boykin


Bryan Bulaga

Derrick Sherrard

Don Barclay

Jamari lattimore

Tramon Williams

Jarret Bush

Sean Richardson

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:14:26 PM(UTC)
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:21:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
For this year

EDS or FA this year, still need a Center.
Pickett, Raji , Jolly or a couple of FA Tackles this year.
Matt Flynn or viable FA back up QB

Next year UFA's as of today.

I'll let you decide who isn't worth brining back, so Ted can sign a couple of 1st day "Big money UFA's from other teams.

JMHO, but I would lock up Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Bulaga, Barclay and Williams before FA starts next year.

Or The Packers can just gamble on a couple of 1st day FA's, rookies and Undrafted Fa's to get them to another Superbowl.

Jordy Nelson

Randall Cobb

Jarret Boykin


Bryan Bulaga

Derrick Sherrard

Don Barclay

Jamari lattimore

Tramon Williams

Jarret Bush

Sean Richardson

Chris banjo


Did I say First Day or Big Money?

None of EDS, Pickett, Raji, Jolly, Flynn are worth the amount of money it would take to use up our cap space. If we use current cap space to do future FA contract ahead of time, are we ever going to use the future space we create or are we going to continue year after year to just push the space down the road?
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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:35:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Did I say First Day or Big Money?

None of EDS, Pickett, Raji, Jolly, Flynn are worth the amount of money it would take to use up our cap space. If we use current cap space to do future FA contract ahead of time, are we ever going to use the future space we create or are we going to continue year after year to just push the space down the road?


Did I not put either/or in front of those 1st 4.

Free Agency is only 2 days old, I sure hope Ted is either going to resign his guys or go outside the organization to fill the whole created by them leaving.

There's still plenty of good talent available, but Ted has proven he is not going to overspend one year and get caught short the next.

BTW Just heard Eric Decker just signed with The Jets, the one team rumored to be interested in James Jones, so I should probably add James's name to this years signings.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:41:22 PM(UTC)
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Raiders have large cap room and made no signings. In fact, they let arguably their best players go. Connection. Reggie who used to work for Ted runs things over there now.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:46:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules Go to Quoted Post
Raiders have large cap room and made no signings. In fact, they let arguably their best players go. Connection. Reggie who used to work for Ted runs things over there now.


They did make one signing, not sure who, heard it on the radio, signed the guy to a 42 mil contract but he failed his physical so the contract was voided.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:18:01 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
They did make one signing, not sure who, heard it on the radio, signed the guy to a 42 mil contract but he failed his physical so the contract was voided.


I heard that report too.
Can't remember who it was though.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2014 10:43:07 PM(UTC)
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Obviously, I think the Packers focus should be on defensive line FA. I wanted the Packers to sign some defensive linemen like Randy Starks, Arthur Jones, or Lamar Houston. However all those guys have been signed. I think some wildcard, cheaper options are still available such as Justin Tuck (former DT), Antonio Smith (played in a 3-4 with Houston), Jason Hatcher (played in a 3-4 with Dallas).

Also signing a player like Chris Clemons would help a lot. He shouldn't be too expensive since he didnt make too many "big plays" but the guy doesn't allow too many plays either. Signing him would allow the Packers to draft a player like LB Mosley or the best available defensive lineman.

Bottom line, the Packers aren't winning a championship next year without some starting quality FA this year. The past couple years we have only signed fringe 53 man roster quality players and it hasn't worked out. Time to have a little change in FA philosophy.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:20:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: yooperfan Go to Quoted Post
I heard that report too.
Can't remember who it was though.



Saffold from Rams.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:59:56 AM(UTC)
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There is massive money spent in the first week to ten days of free agency. I don't want the Packers any part of it unless it is another Reggie White type player. It is insane some of these deals we are seeing. Maybe large portions are signing bonuses that will be prorated? Either way, a free agent is a free agent for a reason.

I'm looking for the Packers to grab someone on the DL that's more of a tier 2 talent and will pay him tier 3 money. The Packers aren't a future hall of famer away from being legit Super Bowl threats. They are a few average to good defensive starters away.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:36:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
There is massive money spent in the first week to ten days of free agency. I don't want the Packers any part of it unless it is another Reggie White type player. It is insane some of these deals we are seeing. Maybe large portions are signing bonuses that will be prorated? Either way, a free agent is a free agent for a reason.

I'm looking for the Packers to grab someone on the DL that's more of a tier 2 talent and will pay him tier 3 money. The Packers aren't a future hall of famer away from being legit Super Bowl threats. They are a few average to good defensive starters away.


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#13 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:54:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Dreamer.


Seattle won the SB not because of the FA's acquired. It was because they got insane production from 3rd, 4th, and 5th round players they drafted and not all named Wilson.

GB will be much better on D ONLY if they get better production out of Perry, Mathews, D. Jones, Hayward, Burnett, Worthy, etc., coupled with better talent at ILB and Safety.

I think they feel Hyde can move to Safety and be a significant upgrade there. Getting Shields and Hayward back certainly allows this to happen without cutting them short. I think Lattimore is a name to watch at ILB this year.

This is a deep draft and Ted Thompson can add better talent where they are thin at Safety, OLB, ILB, and the DL. There is still time to add FA's that would accomplish this as well. This will help prevent a drop off when guys do go down. Capers was left with a 7th round pick and undrafted player to replace Perry and Mathews. I believe those two produced 0 sacks during in those games.

The main deal here is that the Packers CANNOT once again lead the league in games missed by starters due to injury. If the weekly Injury Report stays manageable this D will play at a higher level then the last couple of seasons.





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#14 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:16:59 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
Seattle won the SB not because of the FA's acquired. It was because they got insane production from 3rd, 4th, and 5th round players they drafted and not all named Wilson.

GB will be much better on D ONLY if they get better production out of Perry, Mathews, D. Jones, Hayward, Burnett, Worthy, etc., coupled with better talent at ILB and Safety.

I think they feel Hyde can move to Safety and be a significant upgrade there. Getting Shields and Hayward back certainly allows this to happen without cutting them short. I think Lattimore is a name to watch at ILB this year.

This is a deep draft and Ted Thompson can add better talent where they are thin at Safety, OLB, ILB, and the DL. There is still time to add FA's that would accomplish this as well. This will help prevent a drop off when guys do go down. Capers was left with a 7th round pick and undrafted player to replace Perry and Mathews. I believe those two produced 0 sacks during in those games.

The main deal here is that the Packers CANNOT once again lead the league in games missed by starters due to injury. If the weekly Injury Report stays manageable this D will play at a higher level then the last couple of seasons.







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#15 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:04:16 AM(UTC)
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The main deal here is that the Packers CANNOT once again lead the league in games missed by starters due to injury. If the weekly Injury Report stays manageable this D will play at a higher level then the last couple of seasons.



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#16 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:39:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
Seattle won the SB not because of the FA's acquired. It was because they got insane production from 3rd, 4th, and 5th round players they drafted and not all named Wilson.

GB will be much better on D ONLY if they get better production out of Perry, Mathews, D. Jones, Hayward, Burnett, Worthy, etc., coupled with better talent at ILB and Safety.

I think they feel Hyde can move to Safety and be a significant upgrade there. Getting Shields and Hayward back certainly allows this to happen without cutting them short. I think Lattimore is a name to watch at ILB this year.

This is a deep draft and Ted Thompson can add better talent where they are thin at Safety, OLB, ILB, and the DL. There is still time to add FA's that would accomplish this as well. This will help prevent a drop off when guys do go down. Capers was left with a 7th round pick and undrafted player to replace Perry and Mathews. I believe those two produced 0 sacks during in those games.

The main deal here is that the Packers CANNOT once again lead the league in games missed by starters due to injury. If the weekly Injury Report stays manageable this D will play at a higher level then the last couple of seasons.







Sorry warhawk, but I disagree to some extent. Yes, they had remarkable production all the way down the line, from all of their draftees and UDFAs. However, they do not even get into the Super Bowl without their FA acquisitions, like Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, Chris Clemons. The two players they traded for, Marshawn Lynch and Percy Harvin were instrumental in their winning the Super Bowl as well, Lynch in helping them get there and Harvin closing the deal with some remarkable runs, a catch and the return for a TD that literally stuck a knife in DEN's heart to start the 2nd half, up 22-0, making it 29-0. 137 yds on his 1st four touches, plus the score. Remarkable, game changing plays by an incredible play maker. I don't like admitting that, but he is. And, they went out and got him along with the others mentioned, and they won it all.

You must have some top playmakers at key positions to win it all. We have a few in Rodgers, Lacy, Nelson, Cobb, Matthews. But, it pretty much stops there. We need more.

Couldn't agree more with you on the injury front and our needs for real player availability moving forward.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:52:18 AM(UTC)
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As for the question of WHEN? Yesterday would have been a good time - or the day before. The point being, most of the good ones are gone now, especially at Safety - the thing we need the most.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:25:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
Seattle won the SB not because of the FA's acquired. It was because they got insane production from 3rd, 4th, and 5th round players they drafted and not all named Wilson.

GB will be much better on D ONLY if they get better production out of Perry, Mathews, D. Jones, Hayward, Burnett, Worthy, etc., coupled with better talent at ILB and Safety.

I think they feel Hyde can move to Safety and be a significant upgrade there. Getting Shields and Hayward back certainly allows this to happen without cutting them short. I think Lattimore is a name to watch at ILB this year.

This is a deep draft and Ted Thompson can add better talent where they are thin at Safety, OLB, ILB, and the DL. There is still time to add FA's that would accomplish this as well. This will help prevent a drop off when guys do go down. Capers was left with a 7th round pick and undrafted player to replace Perry and Mathews. I believe those two produced 0 sacks during in those games.

The main deal here is that the Packers CANNOT once again lead the league in games missed by starters due to injury. If the weekly Injury Report stays manageable this D will play at a higher level then the last couple of seasons.




Seattle won the SB, because they had a cheap starting QB which allowed them to keep more of their own FA along with signing some FA from other teams. Because of wise cap usage in the past, we have the money to do much the same now and not risk the future in doing so.

But I agree, there is time to get some FA that can fill some areas, and allow Ted to draft the best players available in a deep draft. Resulting in a better team both today and down the road.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:31:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
As for the question of WHEN? Yesterday would have been a good time - or the day before. The point being, most of the good ones are gone now, especially at Safety - the thing we need the most.


I would only disagree with Safety being or greatest need. We could have Ed Reed in his prime and with our front 7 our secondary would suck. We can do more to improve our Safety play, but fixing what is up front.

Not sure who, but I would like to see maybe 3 Dlineman brought in to create serious competition in the trenches and create a deep rotation of bodies to cycle through and keep fresh.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:12:16 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Seattle won the SB, because they had a cheap starting QB which allowed them to keep more of their own FA along with signing some FA from other teams. Because of wise cap usage in the past, we have the money to do much the same now and not risk the future in doing so.

But I agree, there is time to get some FA that can fill some areas, and allow Ted to draft the best players available in a deep draft. Resulting in a better team both today and down the road.


Seattle won the SB, because their guys were healthy enough to play.
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#21 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:09:09 PM(UTC)
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I would only disagree with Safety being or greatest need. We could have Ed Reed in his prime and with our front 7 our secondary would suck. We can do more to improve our Safety play, but fixing what is up front.

Not sure who, but I would like to see maybe 3 Dlineman brought in to create serious competition in the trenches and create a deep rotation of bodies to cycle through and keep fresh.


You don't like Daniels, D. Jones, and Worthy starting, with Boyd, hopefully Jolly, and now Neal in the rotation? Just having Raji and Pickett gone will make the D-Line better, and I see these guys as very decent quality.

There are still a couple of mid-range Safetys out there, as has been pointed out. Sooner, not later is the time to go after one. And high in the draft is a good time to get an ILB.
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#22 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:20:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
You don't like Daniels, D. Jones, and Worthy starting, with Boyd, hopefully Jolly, and now Neal in the rotation? Just having Raji and Pickett gone will make the D-Line better, and I see these guys as very decent quality.

There are still a couple of mid-range Safetys out there, as has been pointed out. Sooner, not later is the time to go after one. And high in the draft is a good time to get an ILB.


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#23 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:59:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
You don't like Daniels, D. Jones, and Worthy starting, with Boyd, hopefully Jolly, and now Neal in the rotation? Just having Raji and Pickett gone will make the D-Line better, and I see these guys as very decent quality.

There are still a couple of mid-range Safetys out there, as has been pointed out. Sooner, not later is the time to go after one. And high in the draft is a good time to get an ILB.


I don't dislike any of them, but I think we stand a much better chance of improving the total team defense by improving up front. Getting pass rush, we can do more with less in the secondary. If we go the safety route, we are one injury from the same place, if we add multiple up front, we have more room for error.

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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
They did make one signing, not sure who, heard it on the radio, signed the guy to a 42 mil contract but he failed his physical so the contract was voided.


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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
There is massive money spent in the first week to ten days of free agency. I don't want the Packers any part of it unless it is another Reggie White type player. It is insane some of these deals we are seeing. Maybe large portions are signing bonuses that will be prorated? Either way, a free agent is a free agent for a reason.

I'm looking for the Packers to grab someone on the DL that's more of a tier 2 talent and will pay him tier 3 money. The Packers aren't a future hall of famer away from being legit Super Bowl threats. They are a few average to good defensive starters away.


Well, true tier 2 talent would be an upgrade.

I wonder how long the tier 2 talent is going to last.

Why do I fear that "Tier 2" for Ted means B J Raji?

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