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Offline longtimefan  
#1 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 10:08:44 PM(UTC)
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Running back Ryan Grant may have missed a cut-back opportunity or two, but for the Green Bay Packers running game to become more productive, the improvement will have to come from up front.


That was the view of the coaching staff on Monday after watching film from Sundays win over Seattle. The Packers ran a season-high 39 times (including 33 carries for Grant) but managed a modest 113 yards. Thats 2.9 yards per carry.

Grant gained 90 yards for an average of 2.7 yards per carry. Quarterback Aaron Rodgers got the other 23 yards on six attempts, including a 1-yard quarterback sneak for a touchdown in the second quarter.

Weve got the attempts where we want them, offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said. Now weve got to get the yards per carry to where it needs to be.

[size=24]Coach Mike McCarthy said Grant got a passing grade on his decision-making, meaning the coaches believe he came close to maximizing his yardage based on the holes that were there. That puts the onus on the blocking unit.[/size]

The biggest thing we told our guys in the meeting is that we have to finish plays better in the running game, Philbin said. Theres too many pictures of guys not finishing the block (and) a guy slipping off. Its not one position. There were times where we thought our fullback had to finish better, times where it was an offensive lineman, a tight end, and there were times when youve got the ball in your hands (and) youve got to break a tackle. Its never one guy, but we do have to finish better.

The Packers lacked a change-of-pace back on Sunday because backup Brandon Jackson did not play because of an illness. They activated DeShawn Wynn from the practice squad, but he played only in third down passing situations and did not get a carry.

From a production standpoint, we expect more, running backs coach Edgar Bennett said. Certainly the opportunities were there, and we have to continue to get the maximum out of those opportunities.

Promising rookie Kregg Lumpkin, who had one carry for 19 yards this season, wont get any more opportunities to help the running game. He was placed on injured reserve Saturday after he re-injured his hamstring in practice last Thursday. Having already missed two games, the latest setback would have kept him out for another six to eight weeks.
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#2 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 10:27:16 PM(UTC)
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As a former lineman, I hate to blame the lines because they usually get too much blame, and never ever get much credit when things are going good. But both lines are looking bad.

MVP so far are Colledge and Kampman.

Having Colledge as the MVP is crazy because he hasn't played that well, but the other are making more mistakes than him.

Kampman is missing some chances to be even better but is playing pretty well.

But after Kampman it deeps ever fast. Maybe injuries are holding Pickett back or maybe because the defense has been on the field too long, or maybe because their not deep at DT to give him a breather once in a while or most likely all of the above but he hasn't been close to as good as last year.

Like I said usually the line gets too much blame but I think it is them this time.

Also Grant missed some cut backs. But they weren't that big but they were small cut back lanes, and that better than running into the OL.
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#3 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 10:37:54 PM(UTC)
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Also Grant missed some cut backs. But they weren't that big but they were small cut back lanes, and that better than running into the OL.


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#4 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 10:40:20 PM(UTC)
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I just wanted to add about Kampman while some games he doesn't seem to have much pressure he is getting double and triple teamed most of the time so it's pretty tough to make plays that way.

Looking at his sacks from the Seatle game one of them was when they left him one on one and he just crushed him then the other he was double teamed and he just smashed right between them. He is a beast, whether he gets the stats or not.
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Offline Greg C.  
#5 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2008 11:37:31 PM(UTC)
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MVP so far are Colledge and Kampman.

Having Colledge as the MVP is crazy because he hasn't played that well, but the other are making more mistakes than him.


Colledge? That DID sound crazy at first, but because the line is struggling so much I had to think about it for a minute. I would say that Spitz has been the best O-lineman so far, by default, but really there is no MVP on the O-line.
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Offline tromadz  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:29:18 AM(UTC)
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Coaches blame linemen? So do I.

This is our big weakness, and its sad, cuz lineplay(on both sides) is more crucial than ANYTHING ELSE.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:07:59 PM(UTC)
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In a ZBS, you are never supposed to have runs for negative yardage or have no gains. McCarthy and Philbin have stressed that various times over the last few years.

There were at least a handful of runs for losses / no gains on Sunday.

If Grant was right in his decision making as the coaches say, I think it's about time to start wondering why exactly the o-line continuously seem to struggle with ZB in the early parts of the season under McCarthy.

Injuries may be a factor, I'm thinking they are limiting the ability to our o-linemen to cut block soundly. But if they are hurting you that bad, shut the player down for a couple of weeks to let him heal.

It's frustrating that the o-line struggles one week with pass blocking and does OK in run blocking, and the next week it has problems run blocking but does OK pass blocking.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:24:55 PM(UTC)
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My opinion, it is about time they start calling the true issue out.. the Oline has been a problem since Ted has taken over.. that isn't calling him out; just calling a spade a spade.

This group needs to pick up its focus weekly.. they can do it, they have done it at times. They just lack the consistency that it takes to become a very solid offensive line in the game.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:29:34 PM(UTC)
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My opinion, it is about time they start calling the true issue out.. the Oline has been a problem since Ted has taken over.. that isn't calling him out; just calling a spade a spade.

This group needs to pick up its focus weekly.. they can do it, they have done it at times. They just lack the consistency that it takes to become a very solid offensive line in the game.


Whereas OL was a strength under Sherman, it's a weakness under Ted Thompson . This is a simple fact.

I think this is something Ted Thompson will work on in the offseason. Don't be surprised if he trades down for more picks yet again to take some chances on more OL next year. I guarantee that this bothers him.

He may be thinking BPA, but OL will get a higher priority than anything else if remaining players on the draft board are close to equal.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:43:14 PM(UTC)
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My opinion, it is about time they start calling the true issue out.. the Oline has been a problem since Ted has taken over.. that isn't calling him out; just calling a spade a spade.

This group needs to pick up its focus weekly.. they can do it, they have done it at times. They just lack the consistency that it takes to become a very solid offensive line in the game.


Whereas OL was a strength under Sherman, it's a weakness under Ted Thompson . This is a simple fact.

I think this is something Ted Thompson will work on in the offseason. Don't be surprised if he trades down for more picks yet again to take some chances on more OL next year. I guarantee that this bothers him.

He may be thinking BPA, but OL will get a higher priority than anything else if remaining players on the draft board are close to equal.


I'd be happy if he didn't trade down and just took the best lineman available with the first pick. I was hoping he'd do that this year instead of trading down to take a receiver in the 2nd round.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2008 4:01:43 PM(UTC)
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My opinion, it is about time they start calling the true issue out.. the Oline has been a problem since Ted has taken over.. that isn't calling him out; just calling a spade a spade.

This group needs to pick up its focus weekly.. they can do it, they have done it at times. They just lack the consistency that it takes to become a very solid offensive line in the game.


Whereas OL was a strength under Sherman, it's a weakness under Ted Thompson . This is a simple fact.

I think this is something Ted Thompson will work on in the offseason. Don't be surprised if he trades down for more picks yet again to take some chances on more OL next year. I guarantee that this bothers him.

He may be thinking BPA, but OL will get a higher priority than anything else if remaining players on the draft board are close to equal.


I'd be happy if he didn't trade down and just took the best lineman available with the first pick. I was hoping he'd do that this year instead of trading down to take a receiver in the 2nd round.


I thought he was going to take Sam Baker and probably convert him to LG, but turned out that the Falcons traded up and took him several picks ahead of the Packers. I'm not saying Thompson had Baker pegged or not, but I do believe the Packers scouted Baker very closely. After Baker was gone, the next was Duane Brown who went a few picks before the Packers. Then you had a drop off in talent at the position. I didn't mine trading down, I just thought taking a 5th string receiver and 2nd or 3rd string QB with your first two picks was kind of surprising.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:18:38 PM(UTC)
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Yes zombie, the OL was a strength under Sherman, although it should be noted that all five starters were holdovers from the Ron Wolf era. All Sherman did was hang onto them. When Thompson came along, at least two of those players (Rivera and Flanagan) were getting past their primes, and Wahle was demanding an enormous contract.

Unfortunately, Thompson has not done a good job of replacing any of those guys, and what's compounded the problem this year is that Clifton and Tauscher appear to be in decline. I also have to wonder if part of the problem is the coaching. We've got some mid to high round picks who are not meeting expectations. I'm becoming soured on the zone blocking scheme. I wonder if our chance of success with that scheme pretty much went out the window when Jeff Jagodzinski got hired away by Boston College. He was the guy who had learned that scheme directly from the master, Alex Gibbs, when they were both in Atlanta.

A note on Tauscher: My sister hears some of the gossip around Green Bay, and she said that Tauscher is still a party boy. It just might be that he is now getting to the age where he can no longer get by on natural talent, and his lifestyle may be catching up to him. Players who are effective into their 30's almost always are in great physical shape. Take a good look at Tauscher. Whether or not the party thing is true, you have to admit that he is in lousy shape. With a physique like that, the odds are heavily against you being effective into your 30s.
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