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Wade  
#1 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:14:40 AM(UTC)
HaHa was probably the best safety in the draft.

That doesn't make him worthy of the 21st pick.

A month or so ago, in the glow of the bowl season and another year of Alabama's semi-pro team, I really was hoping for Dix to fall.

Then, somewhere, I read -- two different places -- that the best comparison as was to Louis Delmas.

Louis Delmas?

Now that is damning with faint praise.

And then I read more and heard more and I realized, there really were no first-round safeties this year after all.

Then I started watching highlight reels and such. And I realized that there was no likely Nick Collins in this draft, just a bunch of guys who are, yes, a lot better than M.D. Jennings. And I started to see the virtues of trade-down-Tedding it this year, and taking one of those other guys later and getting an extra top 100 pick.

Or maybe more than one. (Who knows what kind of trade down might have been available at #26?)

And so, especially, I will be watching to see who is left on the board at pick 19 in the 3rd. And then I'm going to ask, "what could the Packers have had at Cleveland's #26 combined with what was available at pick #81?"

*THAT* needs to be considered in determining the wisdom for this pick.

Clinton-Dix instead of trading down or picking value for the position (Lee, even Dennard) is the same kind of pick as picking A J Hawk vs. risking Haloti Ngata. Not the same quality pick, mind you, but the same philosophy. Picking the safe pick and filling a need. Most of you are okay with it.

Just remember that you when you watch a Lee or a Dennard making all pro and dominating. Just remember when Clinton-Dix plateaus at something less than the AJ Hawk of safety.

Yep, one need has been solved. Hooray.

And watch one of the other holes that can't be filled until next year's draft because Ted neither risked filling a second need or free agency nor traded down in a very deep draft to enable him filling another need with another third round pick.

I'm glad everyone is glad with the pick. I'm glad it was Dix instead of Mosley or Pryor.

And I'm going to watch what is still on the board at 21 in the 2nd. I'm going to watch where Nat Berhe goes and I'm going to compare his career with Dix's career as a Packer.

And I'm really going to watch who is still on the board at pick 81. And I'm going to watch their careers, too.

We'll see.
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Added Saturday morning.
Shit shit shit shit!

I have never been so happy in my life missing day two and spending it losing several hundred bucks at PLO instead.

I'm not going to bother saying another word on the first round pick. It's safe. He'll be a starter upgrade. Its a pick that might move one of the worst down-the-middle defenses in the league into the top half.

And compared to day 2? Shit, you guys are bitching about uffda or other voices of dismay and criticism in the other threads. Uffda is fucking mild compared to my thoughts when I got up on three hours sleep and saw how much Day 2 is going to improve that same defense.

Deepest top-100 draft in years. So what does GB do?

Manages to pick the one of the most overrated WRs in the draft. I hope those of you that have been expressing such confidence in Boykins are correct. This doesn't make up for letting either Jennings or Jones go. Hell, I'd rather Ted had decided to bring Donald Driver back. Or maybe James Lofton. Shit.

Follows this by the pick of a developmental pick bypassing players at the same position that could have offered B J Raji competition on day one. Shit squared.

And then spends its final top-100 pick on a weak pick at a position that may have been perhaps the shallowest quality pool of any position. Shit cubed.

I knew I should have taken advantage of my host's moonshine and single-malt collection last night instead of sticking to one 7 oz bottle of Corona and then water and coffee. This is a morning after day two that would have perfect for blaming on a killer hangover.

Shit!

I'm really glad I spent eight hours losing at the poker table. I would have likely broken things if I'd gone online to watch the draft tracker.

I'm glad you all are okay with the picks, though.

Me, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed because I think that Ted got outdrafted this year by the likes of Jerry Jones, the Bidwells, and whoever is in charge in Detroit this year.

Shit.

Before I left for my game last night I started the first part of what I expected to be a very long post carefully explaining why I thought trading down for at least one extra top-100 pick would have been better than going Ha Ha at #21.

But don't worry. You'll never see it. This is the last bit of "over the top draft negativity," the last bit of "whining," and all the rest you're going to see from me on Ted's first round choice. I'm not going to bother.

Because you assholes are already proven absolutely correct about the Dix pick. Forget everything I said in my earlier whines and Thompson criticism.

You were absolutely correct.

Extra top 100 picks would have been wasted on Ted this year.

He definitely avoided the big time pitfalls of trading down.

This way he can put off until day three picking gems like Taylor Martinez , Silas Redd, or Pat O'Donnell.

Shit.

See you in a couple weeks. Or whenever. I'm imposing a moratorium on myself for awhile.

Shit. Shit.

Bye, fuckers.

Shit. Shit. Shit.
millertime  
#2 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:19:21 AM(UTC)
You will be missed...

Crying Crying Crying
DarkaneRules  
#3 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:28:24 AM(UTC)
Oh gosh someone get this guy a crying towel #-o
Wade  
#4 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:34:46 AM(UTC)
p.s. I forgot to add this. Consider it a footnote rant.

A list of the PICKS still on the board I would have taken at each of the positions Ted drafted in rounds 2, before I took any of the players he chose:

Wide receiver:
Donte Montcrief
Allen Robinson
Jarvis Landry
J. Jones
Ryan Grant
Jared Abbrederis
Devin Street
Robert Herron
Dri Archer
Jeff Janis

Defensive linemen:
DuQuan Jones
Daniel McCullers
Caraun Reid
Ed Stinson
Chris Smith
Brent Urban
Ryan Carrethers
Zach Moore
Jackson Jeffcoat
Jonathan Newsome

Tight end:
Crockett Gilmore
Joe Don Duncan
Colt Lyerla
Marcel Jensen
Blake Annen
Rob Blanchflower
Jordan Navjar
Jake Murphy
Kaneakua Friel

Darkane: No need to waste a good towel. Day two isn't worth that much. Maybe one of those disposable preparation H wipes.

(no more footnotes.)
play2win  
#5 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:35:46 AM(UTC)
Enjoy your moratorium bud. Sorry to see you are that torched.

Me, I'm disappointed to some degree, because the R3s, to me, could have been had later. But, I'm not doing this for a living, and Ted and his staff are, with a lot more info. If they were wrong, we'll know after this or next season. If they were right, we'll know that too.

They made some bold moves. Of that there is no doubt. I cannot blame you for being pissed. Maybe that will wear off over time.

After reviewing Richard Rodgers, I came away pretty impressed with what he brings to GB. And, I was surprised by that. He could turn out to be a very, very good player for the Packers.

The Thornton pick at 86, that one seemed way, way, way too early, but they must have wanted him that badly. Time will tell.

I do think you are wrong about the Davante Adams pick at 53. The more I look at the guy, the more I see a better Sterling Sharpe, a better, bigger, stronger Greg Jennings. And, the guy catches everything. Do we not need that? What is not to like? That he didn't make YOUR board?

Touchdown machine. This is an extraordinarily productive WR. Who was more productive on your board than Adams? If the results are that he catches everything and scores at a very high rate, I'll take that any day. I think Davante Adams was a really, really great pick.

FYI:
NOT ONE of those WRs you listed was more productive than Adams.

NOT ONE of those TEs you listed was more productive than Rodgers.

Now, if we had taken a guy named Rob Blanchflower, I might be doing what you are right now... [laughing]
DarkaneRules  
#6 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:40:03 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Enjoy your moratorium bud. Sorry to see you are that torched.

Me, I'm disappointed to some degree, because the R3s, to me, could have been had later. But, I'm not doing this for a living, and Ted and his staff are, with a lot more info. If they were wrong, we'll know after this or next season. If they were right, we'll know that too.

They made some bold moves. Of that there is no doubt. I cannot blame you for being pissed. Maybe that will wear off over time.

After reviewing Richard Rodgers, I came away pretty impressed with what he brings to GB. And, I was surprised by that. He could turn out to be a very, very good player for the Packers.

The Thornton pick at 86, that one seemed way, way, way too early, but they must have wanted him that badly. Time will tell.

I do think you are wrong about the Davante Adams pick at 53. The more I look at the guy, the more I see a better Sterling Sharpe, a better, bigger, stronger Greg Jennings. And, the guy catches everything. Do we not need that? What is not to like? That he didn't make YOUR board?

Touchdown machine. This is an extraordinarily productive WR. Who was more productive on your board than Adams? If the results are that he catches everything and scores at a very high rate, I'll take that any day. I think Davante Adams was a really, really great pick.

FYI:
NOT ONE of those WRs you listed was more productive than Adams.

NOT ONE of those TEs you listed was more productive than Rodgers.


By the way, regardless of what the draft nerds think, our staff has to worry about who any of the other 3-4 teams plan to take with their picks. So a guy may be lower on other boards and higher on a 3-4 team's board. Juuust sayin'
play2win  
#7 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:40:22 AM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
p.s. I forgot to add this. Consider it a footnote rant.

A list of the PICKS still on the board I would have taken at each of the positions Ted drafted in rounds 2, before I took any of the players he chose:

Wide receiver:
Donte Montcrief
Allen Robinson
Jarvis Landry
J. Jones
Ryan Grant
Jared Abbrederis
Devin Street
Robert Herron
Dri Archer
Jeff Janis

Defensive linemen:
DuQuan Jones
Daniel McCullers
Caraun Reid
Ed Stinson
Chris Smith
Brent Urban
Ryan Carrethers
Zach Moore
Jackson Jeffcoat
Jonathan Newsome

Tight end:
Crockett Gilmore
Joe Don Duncan
Colt Lyerla
Marcel Jensen
Blake Annen
Rob Blanchflower
Jordan Navjar
Jake Murphy
Kaneakua Friel

Darkane: No need to waste a good towel. Day two isn't worth that much. Maybe one of those disposable preparation H wipes.

(no more footnotes.)


How about a maxi pad? [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]
DarkaneRules  
#8 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:45:44 AM(UTC)
I just want Packer fans to chill. A lot of them are acting like fans of a team that hasn't been to the playoffs in decades.
play2win  
#9 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:54:24 AM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
I just want Packer fans to chill. A lot of them are acting like fans of a team that hasn't been to the playoffs in decades.


FYI, I am saying that in total jest to my friend Wade...

I think there are few who put more into building out trade down scenarios than both Wade and Buckeye... That is a lot of work, a lot of reviews to search through. I can't begrudge anyone who is pissed about our day two picks. It is an honest reaction to 3 entirely out of the box selections.

Granted, two of the selections have remarkable statistics to stand on in Adams and Rodgers. While under the radar to most, even some of the biggest draft prognosticators, those picks can be backed up with their numbers. The Thornton kid is completely out of nowhere...

We've all been bashing this shit around for months... no harm in some posters blowing off some steam here.

Thanks Zero2Cool for the awesome site! Your efforts are appreciated here. Indeed.
musccy  
#10 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:17:04 AM(UTC)
although I don't feel quite as strongly as Wade on his position, I do agree with what he was saying.

There were draftniks that didn't feel there was a 1st round safety in this draft, yet 4 went because teams were meeting need rather than value. He makes good analogies. Gabbert and Weeden were highly ranked at their positions too.

I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Ted on WRs, he's had a good history, especially with mid-rounders.



uffda udfa  
#11 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:24:28 AM(UTC)
If you wanted the Packers to add pieces to be able to beat the likes of Seattle and SF they didn't do it in this draft. I realize most rookie draft classes aren't going to be huge difference makers but you can usually find a player, or two, that can help elevate your franchise. I truly don't believe we got that from this draft and to think we're going to get it with the remaining picks is highly unlikely.

Ironically, I like TT's 4th round selection...I hope he can play ILB... will be yet another position switcher which drives me a little nuts. Find a guy who plays a position you need and draft that guy and let him play where he plays. That is a Packers staple. Never drafting a guy for his actual position. Yes, versatility is nice but c'mon. We did this on the OL for years to our detriment.

Wade, I feel you brother... I honestly have never been more depressed after 3 rounds of a Packers draft than I was with this one. It's compounded by this being one of the better drafts for talent and getting so little bang for the buck. No sizzle at all here. None. Zero. Middling athletes who don't run all that well. Some buy into the fact that Davante Adams WR buddy at Fresno guarantees he's faster than 4.56, or the fact that Davante said ain't nobody caught him? Yeah, because the guys you torched will be working at Home Depot in a few months. He played very inferior competition in college and he should be able to outrun them. The NFL is going to a more and more speed game and we're still drafting like we're trying to field a team to play in mud.

It's just kinda how things fell....literally. Biggest lie ever. Ted Thompson just picking for need pick after pick never BPA. It is just uncanny that through 5 total swings every single one is at a position of need. That is strange. What are the odds?

Come back Wade...joy awaits in Rounds 5-7.
evad04  
#12 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 12:38:43 PM(UTC)
Yes ... Let the hate flow through you, Wade.
The_Green_Ninja  
#13 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 12:55:06 PM(UTC)
I love how some people just love to believe that "trading down" is as easy as "I want to trade down." Has anyone ever thought that many teams really didn't really care to pick 21? (Besides the Browns but even then how much were they offering?)
Laser Gunns  
#14 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 3:07:16 PM(UTC)
This is one of Teds worst drafts methinks.

Contrasting with the physical freaks that Seattle is stacking, ours are largely unimpressive.
Dulak  
#15 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 3:19:20 PM(UTC)
Laser Gunns said: Go to Quoted Post
This is one of Teds worst drafts methinks.

Contrasting with the physical freaks that Seattle is stacking, ours are largely unimpressive.


Ha ... ya - I agree ... although our 1st round pick I dont have a problem with - if we really needed a safety and he was the best one on the board. Which we do need a safety and ok lets say he is the best on the board.

What we going to take? a WR or whatever and then pick a leftover safety?... Im cool with with the 21st but after that bleh ... dont see physical freaks like laser gunns mentioned. Have to see how it pans out.

DoddPower  
#16 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 3:37:12 PM(UTC)
I think we need to call the wambulance for some on this board.

For Wade

The NFL draft shouldn't upset one so much. Personally, I rather like the draft, for the most part. I think the Packers added several nice players. It may not have been a grand slam, but it certainly isn't bad, and I think several of the players taken will prove that over the next few years. There is only a pick or two that made me scratch my head, but after researching them a bit, I can understand it.

If 2-3 of these players turn out to be key members of the Green Bay Packers, it will be a pretty good draft. I don't think it's a stretch to see at least four players doing so. That's pretty good. The wide receiving core has been restocked, a couple nice defenders were added, a decent tight end, and a developmental CB. I'll take it. The Packers will undoubtedly be a better team, and it won't take much for them to realistically compete with, and defeat, any team in the NFL, imo. At least when Aaron Rodgers and Eddie Lacy are healthy. Not too shabby for picking at position 21.

Edit: And some center depth.
dfosterf  
#17 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 5:11:59 PM(UTC)
Take that time off, if you need it. This could be the absolute worst Ted Thompson draft in his history. It could just as easily be his best. We don't know, for one simple reason.

No one does.

I'm not feelin' his draft, but I never do.

Couple of draft curmudgeons, lol
Zero2Cool  
#18 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 5:50:20 PM(UTC)
Every single player is talented. It is the coaching staff that has to MAXIMIZE said talent. And that is why I have been harping for years that we do NOT need to draft more OL in the first round. We need a better OL coach.

When looking at the players it is best to ask ... are they coachable rather than "who are similar to in the pro game"?
play2win  
#19 Posted : Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:08:36 PM(UTC)
Watch this be one of our best drafts ever. Who knows? But it is without a doubt far too early to know, by at least 1 year...
Rockmolder  
#20 Posted : Monday, May 12, 2014 6:34:48 AM(UTC)
Calm down, Wade. I know you, you're rational. There's no need for this. Let's calm you down a bit.

You've seen Ha Ha compared to Louis Delmas a lot? I can see why that would make you rather unhappy. Delmas was a corner/safety tweener. Not skilled enough to cover as a corner, not really bulky enough to be a complete safety.

Delmas and Clinton-Dix can both function as rangy centerfielders. Maybe Delmas even more than Clinton-Dix. Thing is, Ha Ha tackles, as well. Delmas doesn't make catches on potentiel interceptions, where Clinton-Dix does. He's taller than Delmas.

Maybe Louis can take him on athleticism alone, but Clinton-Dix is the superior football player.

Next to that, I've also seen Ha Ha been compared to slightly less athletic Eric Berry. Now that's a comparison I'm happy to take.



I see that you're also pretty down on our second round pick. You know who he reminds me of the most of the players on our team? Jermichael Finley.

I know, it's not exactly the same position, but Finley was, in essence, a receiving TE who couldn't block and lined up in WR slots a lot of the time.

Adams, looking as his tape, is a WR who's build as a small TE, has receiving-TE speed, can't block and catches everything in the area code.

I know, the comparison doesn't match completely, height-speed doesn't hold up completely and he most likely will never line up next ot the tackle, but I do feel that a lot of the plays that where designed for Finley, they could slide in Adams and still run them.

And it's not like he can't play outside. Far from it.

I think that this was a very smart pick. Especially with Nelson and/or Cobb most likely gone next year. I wouldn't have minder a first round receiver, either.



As for the rest of the guys you refer to as reaches, I always like to go back and read this about the 2005 draft.

Quote:
Cornerback Nick Collins and wide receiver Terrence Murphy, both taken in the second round, were fourth-round prospects, at best. None of Green Bay's other picks made any sense. If they passed up on Rodgers in the first round, the Packers would have an F.


One of the better safeties we've ever had was a reach. The other was a guy who had a career ending injury in his first season.

And wasn't Underwood a great value pick in that year's draft? A lot of players have very different values in GMs eyes and in the eyes of "draft experts". While even the first (two) round(s) are a crapshoot, I'm beginning to believe that there's not a sensible thing you can say about the rounds after that.

I remember Mike Mitchell being called the worst 2nd round pick ever in the 2009 NFL Draft. He just signed a $25 million contract with the Steelers.

Thornton is a guy who has some untapped potential. Someone who can become a real contributor on defense. I have to admit that I'm not that blown away by Rodgers, either, but he's pretty raw and he could be a better pro than college player.



If you where to believe all those draft board, we more than made up for it by selecting a guy like Carl Bradford who could become a day 1 starter and was gone long before our pick in the 4th round in most mock draft. I saw him go in the 2nd, mostly. He has the athleticism to cover the middle of the field, he can rush the pasher and has a great motor. If he can become a bit more of a thumper in the middle of our defense, he'll be a longtime starter.

I'm not going to go in-depth on all the players, but I feel like that, if you follow pre-draft predicitions and talent evaluation, he made some great pick in the later rounds.

It's really not all that bad as you make it out to be, Wade. I know you're an O-line enthousiast, but I don't feel like we could've added anyone at those positions with a pick that combined value with an upgrade more than we did now.



Lastly, I don't really feel like I'm an asshole, but you're doing quite well on the Foster replacement front.

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