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StarrMax1  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:45:30 PM(UTC)
Bill Huber said:
Greg Jennings and James Jones have left the past two offseasons but Jordy Nelson probably isn't going anywhere. "I think it’ll be different," Nelson said. "I wouldn’t be surprised if stuff (negotiations) starts picking up soon now that the draft and everything’s done with."



“I don't have any regrets,” he said about that contract. “It's easy to say that now. I go out and blow out my knee halfway through the season, now I'm the smart one. Trust me. What I got in that last deal, I'll never spend it all, anyway, so I'm not worried about it."

This line made me laugh thinking about every NFL agent cringing as they read this.

The intelligent NFL players get it, hopefully the new guys watch and learn from Jordy.

Easy prediction, I think anyway, that Jordy will be signing an extension before the season starts.
yooperfan  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:55:18 PM(UTC)
Lock him up Ted!
Zero2Cool  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:57:46 AM(UTC)
Thank you for posting this and the quote. It reiterates what was said earlier about Jordy Nelson not being someone who goes for the big buck. Thus, will probably be resigned.
play2win  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:43:11 AM(UTC)
I'm wondering if he will give a LeRoy Butler type deal to the Packers... At least, I am sure that he wants to. What a truly great player to have on our team, and then Ted goes out and drafts two more....

They are like Stepford Jordys...
TheKanataThrilla  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:01:13 AM(UTC)
If Jordy signs a low offer, does Cobb's agent get pissed that Jordy's number sets the bar and wants nothing to do with us?

To me it is smart if Jordy is looking to create a legacy for himself post-football. Why not stay with the Packers, catch passes from one of the greatest of all time and retire a Packer which may open up future employment after he has retired?

I feel a lot better now going into the season. My thoughts were we needed to sign one of two and would love it if we got both. One looks willing to be reasonable with financial expectations and wants to get the deal done early. Makes for much less of a distraction.
steveishere  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:00:29 AM(UTC)
I don't think Nelson will necessarily take a low offer I just don't think he's going to want some huge offer and feel disrespected if he doesn't get it like Jennings apparently was. I think GB will offer him a fair deal without overpaying like they do with most of their best players. It will probably be somewhere around 9-10m average. Maybe he'll surprise and go way under that but I don't see it.
TheKanataThrilla  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:52:57 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't think Nelson will necessarily take a low offer I just don't think he's going to want some huge offer and feel disrespected if he doesn't get it like Jennings apparently was. I think GB will offer him a fair deal without overpaying like they do with most of their best players. It will probably be somewhere around 9-10m average. Maybe he'll surprise and go way under that but I don't see it.


I'd be curious whether we would offer a 9-10m deal (which is what the market seems to be after the Marshall signing) to a WR after our draft. Does the draft force Jordy to take a lower amount to stay? Obviously it would be better to keep a veteran, but if all 3 of our drafted WR show promise and Boykin continues to improve do we roll the dice with them should the $$$ not be within the range we would want to pay?
Laser Gunns  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:06:48 PM(UTC)
I like Jordy waaaay to much to see him in purple...

pay the man!
musccy  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:21:46 PM(UTC)
TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
I'd be curious whether we would offer a 9-10m deal (which is what the market seems to be after the Marshall signing) to a WR after our draft. Does the draft force Jordy to take a lower amount to stay? Obviously it would be better to keep a veteran, but if all 3 of our drafted WR show promise and Boykin continues to improve do we roll the dice with them should the $$$ not be within the range we would want to pay?


It's not just Jordy. Cobb and Boykin are all free agents in 10 months. This is a really tough cap situation for the Packers to be in with 3 unknowns just drafted who all might be significant contributors to the team. I'm assuming Cobb and Jordy combined will be in the 15-20 mil range and Jordy on the cusp of the downside of his career.
steveishere  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:31:39 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
It's not just Jordy. Cobb and Boykin are all free agents in 10 months. This is a really tough cap situation for the Packers to be in with 3 unknowns just drafted who all might be significant contributors to the team. I'm assuming Cobb and Jordy combined will be in the 15-20 mil range and Jordy on the cusp of the downside of his career.


Boykin can still be RFA tendered though to like 1.5m for another year after this one so If Jordy gets a deal then Cobb is really the only question. Cobb hasn't to this oint really played up to a top level deal but there is a lot of hype there for him and he's super young so his contract could go either way.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:40:35 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
It's not just Jordy. Cobb and Boykin are all free agents in 10 months. This is a really tough cap situation for the Packers to be in with 3 unknowns just drafted who all might be significant contributors to the team. I'm assuming Cobb and Jordy combined will be in the 15-20 mil range and Jordy on the cusp of the downside of his career.


I guess that's why Ted drafted three wide receivers this year.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:07:23 PM(UTC)
Jordy is the big deal. He is better than Cobb now, and stands a better chance of staying healthy and good for longer. Ideally, Ted can re-sign both. However, if he can get Nelson for a reasonable price, the least of my worries would be what Cobb's agent thinks about it.

And hell yeah, those three drafted WRs give some leverage for lower offers and if necessary losing current wideouts.
Dexter_Sinister  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:29:22 PM(UTC)
I may be the odd one out but, I don't think the new players have much if any bearing on on Jordy and Cobb needing to be extended before the season starts.

You don't want to replace your best players. You want to upgrade the depth. Improving the team isn't getting rid your top WR. You upgrade your worst players and see if they can move up the depth chart.

You can't replace players with a promise of potential. Lots of players have had potential and never amounted to anything. One or more of the new guys could just not pan out or end up like Terrance Murphy. In fact the odds are probably pretty high that at least one of them doesn't work out in the long run.

The new WRs are all going to be on rookie contracts for about as long as I would expect Cobb and Nelsons extensions to be. By the time they are ready for new contracts, we will know if they are worth keeping over someone else.

A big factor to me is that the Packers offense is pretty complicated. WRs tend to take 2-3 years before they really catch on. If we let one or both of our experienced WRs go, that could be a huge set back for our offense.

If we don't hang on to Jordy and Cobb for next year, and the one we keep gets hurt, do we really want to go into a season with Boykin, Adams, Abbrederis and Janis?

I think we pretty much have to extend at least Nelson and Cobb. Preferably before the season starts.
hardrocker950  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:22:57 PM(UTC)
Jordy has never made a big deal about money - so this comes as no surprise to me. This alone makes him one of my favorite Packers. I have a lot of respect for guys who realize how good they have it - unlike others who flush it down the toilet for a bigger paycheck. Most receivers would kill to be catching passes from a top QB.
StarrMax1  
#15 Posted : Thursday, June 5, 2014 6:39:54 AM(UTC)
Good point Hardrocker, I'll add to it that Ted seems to reward the guys who let their agents do the negotiations, and don't take it to the public.

I watched the interview with Jordy on this subject, looked to me he really didn't want to address the subject with the media but they kept pressing him(which I guess is their job).

Dexter also made some good points, The Packers want their receivers to know all 3 positions, which does take time.

With the running game seemingly coming into it's own, I think The Packers could get by with 3 VETERAN wr's, any less and a team is just tempting fate.

Let the rookies from the last 2 years battle it out for the 2 or 3 positions that will be available, give them time to learn the system.

Boykin is by no means a veteran, but this will be his 2nd year, hopefully he makes that jump, still need Jordy and Randall around to keep the offense at it's best.
musccy  
#16 Posted : Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:33:44 AM(UTC)
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musccy  
#17 Posted : Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:53:35 AM(UTC)
Dexter_Sinister said: Go to Quoted Post
I may be the odd one out but, I don't think the new players have much if any bearing on on Jordy and Cobb needing to be extended before the season starts.

You don't want to replace your best players. You want to upgrade the depth. Improving the team isn't getting rid your top WR. You upgrade your worst players and see if they can move up the depth chart.



I got a new car 2 years ago that took me months to settle on. I weighed gas mileage and cost for every car I could find before settling on something I thought was the best marriage of the two. 2 months after getting the car, I found out they screwed up the MPG estimate so I was getting less than advertised, furthermore within months I found out the 2014 version of my car and some similar competitors were significantly better. I was kicking myself.

You always want to get better production than you paid for, look what it did for Seattle and San Fran with their QBs. We don't know what we have with the 3 newbies, or how good Harper, White, etc. could be. Of course I assume that Nelson, Cobb, and Boykin are not only worth keeping, but will be the best options. That doesn't mean you still don't want to be cognizant of what you might have lower on the roster.

Dexter_Sinister  
#18 Posted : Thursday, June 5, 2014 4:57:25 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
I got a new car 2 years ago that took me months to settle on. I weighed gas mileage and cost for every car I could find before settling on something I thought was the best marriage of the two. 2 months after getting the car, I found out they screwed up the MPG estimate so I was getting less than advertised, furthermore within months I found out the 2014 version of my car and some similar competitors were significantly better. I was kicking myself.

You always want to get better production than you paid for, look what it did for Seattle and San Fran with their QBs. We don't know what we have with the 3 newbies, or how good Harper, White, etc. could be. Of course I assume that Nelson, Cobb, and Boykin are not only worth keeping, but will be the best options. That doesn't mean you still don't want to be cognizant of what you might have lower on the roster.


When you have 5 cars, you can replace the worst one and keep the best one. My wife gets my old car, the oldest kid gets hers and the youngest gets the oldest's car. The crappiest one gets traded in. Scrapping the 5 year old BMW and keeping the "96 corsica doesn't make sense.

We don't have to get rid of Cobb and Nelson to keep the new guys.

It probably won't be for years that we find out if we even have an upgrade in one of the new guys. Odds also are that at least one doesn't pan out.

Nelson is a top 5 WR in the league, I wouldn't gamble on all 3 of the new guys being better than that.

Because unlike cars, football teams NEED depth.
musccy  
#19 Posted : Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:43:50 PM(UTC)
Dexter_Sinister said: Go to Quoted Post
When you have 5 cars, you can replace the worst one and keep the best one. My wife gets my old car, the oldest kid gets hers and the youngest gets the oldest's car. The crappiest one gets traded in. Scrapping the 5 year old BMW and keeping the "96 corsica doesn't make sense.

We don't have to get rid of Cobb and Nelson to keep the new guys.

It probably won't be for years that we find out if we even have an upgrade in one of the new guys. Odds also are that at least one doesn't pan out.

Nelson is a top 5 WR in the league, I wouldn't gamble on all 3 of the new guys being better than that.

Because unlike cars, football teams NEED depth.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not (necessarily) suggesting they don't try to resign the 3. I'm just saying it's a precarious position to be in. I agree completely that there is a good chance that 1, 2, or even all 3 could not be an upgrade either this year or in the future, but we also don't know that, and you'd hate to put a big investment in when you can get similar production for a cheaper price.
warhawk  
#20 Posted : Thursday, June 5, 2014 6:31:14 PM(UTC)
I believe Ted is totally in on resigning both Nelson and Cobb. You look at moves like not resigning EDS and I think that was just a lesser of two evils move banking on what he needs in reserve for this all to happen.

What Thompson knows is he has a potent offense. All the weapons are at Rodgers disposal and Ted will do what is necessary to keep that together.

I think the way the draft fell it does give him the best possible contingency plan to deal with the loss of maybe one of these two players but only in a worse case scenario are they not on this roster for the next few years.

How many productive players in their prime does this guy not resign? Very few. Yes, he will let go of players looking for that last big contract that most likely is a better deal for the player than the team. These are players at that last big contract stage that most likely won't be productive in the last years of the deal. A lot of people bitched about not resigning Jenkins but he was not worth what he was paid after leaving Green Bay.

These two players are exactly why Thompson runs this team like he does. I don't think this years draft will change that at all and would be shocked if they aren't extended.
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