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Offline Pack93z  
#1 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:14:36 AM(UTC)
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If you were a general manager of a team, with the assumption that you could focus on building either a bone crushing defense or a highlight reel type of offense, which would be your area of concentration?

Assume if you build your one core elite, that the other phase of the team would be average.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#2 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:23:53 AM(UTC)
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Me personally.. I would focus my efforts on the defensive side of the ball for a couple of reasons.

1) The obvious one, reducing the other teams points would allow you to remain in a greater percentage of games.

2) A top defense will lead to point of its own.

3) I believe a strong defense will lead to greater longevity of a team vs a high octane offense.

4) I love me some good ol' fashion butt kick'n defensive play.

There are tons more I am sure.. just getting the ball rolling..
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#3 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:58:48 AM(UTC)
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i too enjoy grind em out type of games so for me, the D is GREAT! int's are even more exciting to me than the long pass. so yeah, defense is where i'd put my dinero.
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Offline Greg C.  
#4 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:33:50 PM(UTC)
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I'm going with defense. It seems like a good defense is less likely to go into a slump than a good offense. And in recent years, great defense has won more Super Bowls than great offense.
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Offline Yerko  
#5 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:50:04 PM(UTC)
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I would take a top 5 defense anyday. Great defense wins championships.
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Offline WhiskeySam  
#6 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:54:19 PM(UTC)
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Give me the O. As Sid Gillman once said, "Why run for three when you can pass for thirty?"

Great D's dont win titles. Balanced teams win titles. Look at the Ravens and Bucs for the last two decades. One title each even though they were the dominant defenses in the league. It wasn't until their offenses got it together that they won. The Steelers of the 70s best defense was the year they didn't win the Super Bowl. When you look at championship teams, they have balance on both sides of the ball.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:54:58 PM(UTC)
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Defense, easy -- too many examples of teams w/ great defense and lousy-to-middling offense succeeding not to vote that way (Ravens, anyone?).
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Offline WhiskeySam  
#8 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:01:46 PM(UTC)
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Defense, easy -- too many examples of teams w/ great defense and lousy-to-middling offense succeeding not to vote that way (Ravens, anyone?).


The year the Ravens won, their offense was 16th, but their rushing offense was 5th in the league.
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Offline walleye  
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:08:25 PM(UTC)
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DEFENSE .
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#10 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:13:00 PM(UTC)
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Defense!
There is nothing better than stuffing the hole.
If they can't score they can't win, if there is an exception to that, I don't know about it.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:15:18 PM(UTC)
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Defense!
There is nothing better than stuffing the hole.
If they can't score they can't win, if there is an exception to that, I don't know about it.

:physassult: :physassult: Yes STUFF THE HOLE!!
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#12 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:21:06 PM(UTC)
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Defense. I agree with UP Fan, If the other team does not score you will increase your odds of winning.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:33:17 PM(UTC)
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Defense!
There is nothing better than stuffing the hole.
If they can't score they can't win, if there is an exception to that, I don't know about it.



the only exception would be ... if you dont score you dont win.


everyone keeps bringing the Ravens up. but really they only won 1 SB with that killer defense, while San Fran, New England and Dallas won multiple multiple SBs in a row with innovative offensive schemes. WCO, Dink and Dunk, and the Big 3.


I would typically say Defense because of all the reason listed above, but also a great D with a weak O leads to a lot of close games that in this day and age are harder to close out with defense. Personally i would rather be in a situation to put my offense on the field in a 2 minute drill in the 4th quarter than rely on my defense. That way you are dictating your own outcome rather than reacting to the opponent.

Plus overall i think a great offense trumps a great defense any day, because you always have the advantage of knowing whats coming. A good offense is able to evolve and adapt making it harder to figure out defensively. You have a better chance of adding wrinkles and formations to a great offense than you do to a defense... making it harder to figure out. every base defense has a weakness... so when your QB comes to the line you line... he has the advantage of adding audibles a defense wont suspect.

So my answer is... as long as its an innovative, evolving top 5 offense with an average defense. id take that. Sorry this was long... i just love topics like this.
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Offline Pack93z  
#14 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:42:14 PM(UTC)
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Defense!
There is nothing better than stuffing the hole.
If they can't score they can't win, if there is an exception to that, I don't know about it.



the only exception would be ... if you dont score you dont win.


everyone keeps bringing the Ravens up. but really they only won 1 SB with that killer defense, while San Fran, New England and Dallas won multiple multiple SBs in a row with innovative offensive schemes. WCO, Dink and Dunk, and the Big 3.


I would typically say Defense because of all the reason listed above, but also a great D with a weak O leads to a lot of close games that in this day and age are harder to close out with defense. Personally i would rather be in a situation to put my offense on the field in a 2 minute drill in the 4th quarter than rely on my defense. That way you are dictating your own outcome rather than reacting to the opponent.

Plus overall i think a great offense trumps a great defense any day, because you always have the advantage of knowing whats coming. A good offense is able to evolve and adapt making it harder to figure out defensively. You have a better chance of adding wrinkles and formations to a great offense than you do to a defense... making it harder to figure out. every base defense has a weakness... so when your QB comes to the line you line... he has the advantage of adding audibles a defense wont suspect.

So my answer is... as long as its an innovative, evolving top 5 offense with an average defense. id take that. Sorry this was long... i just love topics like this.


That right there.. even if I don't agree with the philosophy is the reason I stick around on these boards.. well besides a laugh here and there.

A look into the mind of another fan with the detailed thoughts on why they believe it to be as such.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline WhiskeySam  
#15 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:45:34 PM(UTC)
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Defense!
There is nothing better than stuffing the hole.
If they can't score they can't win, if there is an exception to that, I don't know about it.



the only exception would be ... if you dont score you dont win.


everyone keeps bringing the Ravens up. but really they only won 1 SB with that killer defense, while San Fran, New England and Dallas won multiple multiple SBs in a row with innovative offensive schemes. WCO, Dink and Dunk, and the Big 3.


I would typically say Defense because of all the reason listed above, but also a great D with a weak O leads to a lot of close games that in this day and age are harder to close out with defense. Personally i would rather be in a situation to put my offense on the field in a 2 minute drill in the 4th quarter than rely on my defense. That way you are dictating your own outcome rather than reacting to the opponent.

Plus overall i think a great offense trumps a great defense any day, because you always have the advantage of knowing whats coming. A good offense is able to evolve and adapt making it harder to figure out defensively. You have a better chance of adding wrinkles and formations to a great offense than you do to a defense... making it harder to figure out. every base defense has a weakness... so when your QB comes to the line you line... he has the advantage of adding audibles a defense wont suspect.

So my answer is... as long as its an innovative, evolving top 5 offense with an average defense. id take that. Sorry this was long... i just love topics like this.


Very well put. A good example of this was the Rams win over the Bucs to go to the Supr Bowl. #1 D vs #1 O. #1 O by a nose.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:58:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Defense!
There is nothing better than stuffing the hole.
If they can't score they can't win, if there is an exception to that, I don't know about it.


I wounder 4 if there pack is anyone around here girl that would passionately agree or disagree.
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Offline Packnic  
#17 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:02:23 PM(UTC)
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Very well put. A good example of this was the Rams win over the Bucs to go to the Supr Bowl. #1 D vs #1 O. #1 O by a nose.



thats a great example. i would love to have a great defense, and its proven to win games and championships. but if you had to pick just one, I would pick being the aggressor rather than reading and reacting.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:08:18 PM(UTC)
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Defense!
There is nothing better than stuffing the hole.
If they can't score they can't win, if there is an exception to that, I don't know about it.


I wounder 4 if there pack is anyone around here girl that would passionately agree or disagree.


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#19 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:09:42 PM(UTC)
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Very well put. A good example of this was the Rams win over the Bucs to go to the Supr Bowl. #1 D vs #1 O. #1 O by a nose.



thats a great example. i would love to have a great defense, and its proven to win games and championships. but if you had to pick just one, I would pick being the aggressor rather than reading and reacting.

What people forget though, is St Louis had a really good defense that year too. The Bucs allowed 235 points that year(3rd in the NFL), and the Rams allowed 242(4th in the NFL).
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Very well put. A good example of this was the Rams win over the Bucs to go to the Supr Bowl. #1 D vs #1 O. #1 O by a nose.



thats a great example. i would love to have a great defense, and its proven to win games and championships. but if you had to pick just one, I would pick being the aggressor rather than reading and reacting.

What people forget though, is St Louis had a really good defense that year too. The Bucs allowed 235 points that year(3rd in the NFL), and the Rams allowed 242(4th in the NFL).



you know thats another great point. the same can be said for the Cowboys and Patriots dynasties. Those were also great defenses.

So maybe its those great, yet underrated defenses that made the offenses able to do what they did. Or maybe the offenses by keeping the D fresh made the D better. well now im confused.


I think the best answers is C.) Both
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#21 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:14:14 PM(UTC)
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Very well put. A good example of this was the Rams win over the Bucs to go to the Supr Bowl. #1 D vs #1 O. #1 O by a nose.



thats a great example. i would love to have a great defense, and its proven to win games and championships. but if you had to pick just one, I would pick being the aggressor rather than reading and reacting.

What people forget though, is St Louis had a really good defense that year too. The Bucs allowed 235 points that year(3rd in the NFL), and the Rams allowed 242(4th in the NFL).


That goes back to my point about balance. One dimensional football teams don't win titles.
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#22 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:18:15 PM(UTC)
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I think the best answers is C.) Both


That is the crux of the question.. balance is the key.. but you learn something about your fellow posters on which they choose.. not to mention great discussion along the way.

Chicken or the Egg debate.. well sorta. :lol:
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#23 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:18:27 PM(UTC)
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Dang. Packnic beat me to it.

I'd take Offense. That Defense wins championships is a sorry overused cliche that I'm frankly getting tired of hearing.

If you look at the GREAT teams, the ones who win SB after SB, they have a balanced team, and a high flying O. It's all about balance, folks. We had the #1 O and the #1 D and the hottest ST player in the NFL the year we won it all.

Steelers in the 70s win 4 SBs. OK, quick, name some Steelers. Off the top of my head, Terry Bradshaw, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Mean Joe Greene, Rocky Blier, Franco Harris.

49ers of the 80s win 4 SBs. OK, quick, name some Niners.

And so on. I'm not going further with this, but I'm sure you get my point. Balanced teams, led by an O that pounds and pounds. The WCO revolutionized the game by pounding with a short yardage attack instead of a running down your opponent's throat. But the idea is the same. Pound them into the ground and score more points than you allow.
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#24 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:19:08 PM(UTC)
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Defense!
There is nothing better than stuffing the hole.
If they can't score they can't win, if there is an exception to that, I don't know about it.


I wounder 4 if there pack is anyone around here girl that would passionately agree or disagree.


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I don't think we got a vote in agreement or disagreement with said comment.. hmmmm.. :lol:
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#25 Posted : Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:21:28 PM(UTC)
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oh boy - i wasn't gonna comment further because i'm the "stuffee" & NOT the "stuffer" - thusly i'm not sure i'm qualified to agree or disagree in this situation. :)
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