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Offline Pack93z  
#1 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:01:43 PM(UTC)
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I especially enjoyed #1 at the bottom.. it is interesting on other thoughts as well..

http://msn.foxsports.com...l/story/8711092?MSNHPHMA

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As we approach the halfway point of the season, I have been inundated with requests from the commissioner's office and my peers in the press to make sense of this NFL season.

As the foremost authority on football, everyone wants me reveal the Super Bowl contenders and the Super Bowl pretenders.

This week's NFL Truths column will address those mysteries.

10. I have no (expletive)ing idea which teams are legitimate. No clue.

I'm embarrassed. I'm paid to make sense of the NFL. This deep into the season, I should have a firm grasp on two or three favorites to win it all. I don't.

I'm not sold on the undefeated Tennessee Titans as long as Kerry Collins is the quarterback. I nicknamed him Clipboard Kerry Collins years ago, and I still believe it. He's not a starter. And he's certainly not a Super Bowl quarterback.

Can he be Trent Dilfer? Maybe. But the Titans don't have a Ray Lewis. Tennessee's defense isn't as good as the Baltimore defense that dragged Dilfer to a Super Bowl. The Titans sport a spotless record and Collins has yet to throw for 200 yards in a game.

I'm not sold on the 5-1 New York Giants. Not as long as Plaxico Burress continues his descent to a level below Terrell Owens. Burress working in New York is a powder keg that will ignite and blow up the Giants. The G-men lost to the Browns. Eli Manning is starting to regress.

The 5-1 Buffalo Bills? No way. Their leading rusher averages 3.5 yards per carry. Their quarterback has thrown five touchdowns. I don't know anyone on their defense. The Bills have a lovely schedule. They'll get exposed in the postseason.

What about the Pittsburgh Steelers? Schedule. Over the next month, the Steelers play the Giants, Redskins, Colts and Chargers. Big Ben won't survive this stretch. Pittsburgh's offensive line can't protect.

9. The two teams I sort of like are the Carolina Panthers and the Green Bay Packers.

It troubles me to admit that about the Packers. I'm in the tank for Brett Favre and hoping he embarrasses Ted Thompson. After losing three in a row, the Packers have regained their footing with wins over Seattle and Indy. I expect the Packers to announce they're for real on Nov. 2 when they face the Titans.

Aaron Rodgers has been better than I expected. Green Bay will score a lot of points the second half of the season.

Carolina gets to fatten its record with games against the Cardinals, Raiders and Lions over the next month. I love Carolina's defense. It's arguably the fastest unit in the league. Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad form a terrific tandem at receiver. And John Fox is as good a coach as there is.

8. Here's my sleeper team: Da Bears.

Kyle Orton has won me over. He's a pocket-passing version of Jake Delhomme although Orton is more accurate. I never envisioned Orton developing into a solid NFL starter. I thought his arm was too weak and he was too inaccurate under pressure.

I was wrong. The kid is completing 62 percent of his passes, which is a 10 percent improvement over his career numbers. Chicago posted 48 points against a Minnesota defense that can't be run on.

If the Bears make the playoffs, they can beat any team they face.

7. After watching Brett Favre's Wednesday press conference, there is even less reason to doubt the accuracy of Jay Glazer's reporting about Favre helping the Lions prepare for the Packers.

I just happen to disagree with people who think that it is somehow a stain on Favre's Green Bay legacy. It's not.

The Packers treated Favre poorly. He has every right to want to see the organization flop without him, and of course he's going to do everything he can to assure that it happens. What Favre did isn't unusual in the slightest.

You ever seen someone fired from a job and escorted out by security? You ever wondered why they ask for a player's playbook when they cut him? You think fired coaches don't share everything they know about the team that canned them?

Brett Favre is a human being. He wants to see the Packers fail. There's nothing wrong with that.

6. Speaking of rooting for failure, Vince Young didn't appear all that happy watching the Titans improve to 6-0 against the Kansas City Chiefs.

I'm not trying to pile on Vince. Don't make a big deal about this observation. But Young stood by himself away from the rest of the offensive players throughout much of the Tennessee-Kansas City contest.

If he's trying to learn on game days, he's learning from a distance. The backup quarterbacks usually stand around the offensive coaches and try to be around the communication process. Not Vince. He stood on an island on Sunday.

In fairness, he might need to stand back for a minute so he can see the big picture. And he did seem to show a little emotion when the Titans scored.

5. The Rams should not overreact and give Jim Haslett the permanent head-coaching assignment because the Rams have won two straight.

Haslett is benefitting from ownership putting pressure on the entire roster. When a head coach gets relieved this early in the season, the locker room gains some intensity and focus. It's too early in the season to quit and mail it in.

Guys are still playing for contract leverage and dreaming about individual achievements. Before anyone anoints Haslett, let's see what the Rams are doing in early December.

4. I'm disappointed Mike Singletary was given the 49ers job at midseason.

As an interim coach Singletary could screw up his resume by taking over the 49ers at this time. If the 49ers go in the tank and lose their remaining games, Singletary could take the blame and end up being positioned poorly for a genuine opportunity.

Singletary was on track to be an NFL head coach. I realize you have to take these opportunities whenever and however they're presented. But I wish Mike would've waited.

3. When was the last time Al Davis made a bold decision that worked? Selecting Sebastian Janikowski in the first round of the 2000 draft.

Janikowski hasn't been a Pro Bowl kicker. He's not headed for the Hall of Fame. But he has remained a consistent weapon for the Raiders throughout his career. Last week he beat the Jets with a 57-yard field goal in overtime, bailing out coach Tom Cable who blew the game in regulation by calling one of those overused, last-second timeouts before a field-goal attempt.

There is no such thing as "icing" a kicker in warm weather. Leave the icing to hockey.

2. Kirk Herbstreit, Chris Fowler and Craig James refuse to place my 20th-ranked Ball State Cardinals in their Associated Press Top 25 polls.

This hurts. You're talking about three of my favorite college football broadcasters. My Cardinals are 7-0 and likely to hit 8-0 this weekend after a contest against Eastern Michigan.

But let me be perfectly honest. I don't have a real problem with Herbie, Fowler and James being a bit suspicious of the Cardinals. We've struggled to replace star receiver Dante Love, and we haven't been tested since September.

The most difficult portion of Ball State's schedule is in November when the Cardinals play Northern Illinois, Central Michigan and Western Michigan. If we get through November unscathed and Herbstreit, Fowler and James continue to ignore my Cards, you'll be treated to an angry, hilarious column about the Three BCS Elitists.

*1. Is anything more enjoyable than watching the Cowboys bomb and T.O. implode on the sideline?

As I said last week, Jerry Jones knows talent and is willing to pursue it. He knows nothing about winning chemistry and how to build it or maintain it.
Offline Packnic  
#2 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:20:42 PM(UTC)
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I love Whitlock. He never ceases to change my perspective on things. I don't know what it is. I can think one thing and then read that he thinks the exact opposite thing... and then start siding with him.

He didn't change my perspective on Favre much here. but he is right. I tend to try and protect the Packers a little too much. And Favre feel's wronged and if it wasn't against the Packers... I can't say i would be so upset about it. Whether or not I believe Favre should feel that way is the problem. But whatever.
Offline warhawk  
#3 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:43:15 PM(UTC)
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It sounds to me like he's making excuses for Brett and since he's mad at the Packers what do you expect?

What is being totally ignored here is the slap in the face this action is to his own prior teammates and his fans who had nothing to do with how all this ended up. Kinda like a divorce where at least one side is so bitter they forget how hurtful their actions are for the kids and the rest of the family.

That is why harboring animosity is not going to do anybody any good and can only make tall men look small. It is apparent Brett has decided the long sweet ride he was on in his time here is of no value anymore and that is just a shame.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:42:01 PM(UTC)
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Well, I've said my piece in the BF forum, so I'm not even touching what he said about BF here.

However, we are contenders. I think the things that were holding us back were:
1) Injuries,
2) OL

The OL should come together by later on in the season. Yes, it's not as good as Sherman's OLs, and one thing Ted Thompson needs to address in the offseason is building a better OL. But we have to work with what we have now.

BF did an excellent job of covering up how bad the OL is, and amazingly, Aaron Rodgers is already starting to get it. This kid is learning faster than anyone can expect. I think by the end of the season, Aaron Rodgers will be able to cover up a lot of its inadequacies.

The Titans are a good test. Looking forward to November 2nd. Atari Bigby will be back as will Alan. Williams will be our 3rd CB and in the Playoffs, we will face teams that can pass. Our DBs, I'll now take up against almost any other DB set. This DB set is tremendous. I may be dropping the "elite" word on them pretty soon.

Another thing we'll need to be dominant is a pass rush. Kampy's one of the best in the league, but we'll need one more person to generate pressure to get some double teams off of him.

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#5 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:02:11 PM(UTC)
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The OL should come together by later on in the season. Yes, it's not as good as Sherman's OLs, and one thing Ted Thompson needs to address in the offseason is building a better OL. But we have to work with what we have now.


The problem will be finding a quality OG with the 32nd pick in next year's draft. :thumbright:
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#6 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:26:55 PM(UTC)
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To set the record straight Mike Sherman did have good lineman but he had nothing to do with obtaining them. That was Ron that did that. Sherman took over after both Tackles were drafted and Rivera and Wahle were already here as well by the time MS became GM.

If nothing else at least Thompson is trying and some of these guys are starting to show they can play. Sherman drafted like two OL the entire time he was GM and acted like the guys he inherited would last forever.

Besides, in the last two to three years Guard has been a weak spot in the draft and we were too far down the list for that big time OT but I think there are a few in this coming year that could be players.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:47:36 PM(UTC)
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To set the record straight Mike Sherman did have good lineman but he had nothing to do with obtaining them. That was Ron that did that. Sherman took over after both Tackles were drafted and Rivera and Wahle were already here as well by the time MS became GM.

If nothing else at least Thompson is trying and some of these guys are starting to show they can play. Sherman drafted like two OL the entire time he was GM and acted like the guys he inherited would last forever.

Besides, in the last two to three years Guard has been a weak spot in the draft and we were too far down the list for that big time OT but I think there are a few in this coming year that could be players.


And from his perspective he was right.
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To set the record straight Mike Sherman did have good lineman but he had nothing to do with obtaining them. That was Ron that did that. Sherman took over after both Tackles were drafted and Rivera and Wahle were already here as well by the time MS became GM.



Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.

I guess I was giving credit to the wrong person.
Offline Yerko  
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:20:51 PM(UTC)
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I'm going to put my hate against the Bears aside for this post but still bash them if that makes sense. He picks the Bears as his sleeper team but there are different sleepers out there with a better chance. Of course Orton looks good when every team he has played so far brings the Safety up in the box in fear of Matt Forte. Now, teams will start letting the Safety back and let the rest of the defense pick up Matt Forte.

I am glad he has GB as a contender....every week I get more excited about Green Bay football.
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i like our chances bears are over rated even as a sleeper,orton didnt put up 48 points alone vikes gave that too them 14 of them any way by messed up punts even saints game wait till they play a team wiyh a good d-line think there are sleepers just not the bears :icon_smile:
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