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Offline Rios39  
#16 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 3:21:07 PM(UTC)

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Something occurred to me. I read where Justin is bringing his extended family to this football game. I read where he was really hoping to be activated for it, proximity etc. Now we got KGB released... I wonder what is going through Justin's head right about now. Many have said that there is a danger of him getting re-injured if coming back too soon. This could be terribly interesting tomorrow afternoon. I would not be a bit surprised to see some truly inspired play out of Justin. I wouldn't be surprised if he got hurt trying to do too much, too soon. I guess what I'm thinking is that there is a double-edged sword aspect to this whole turn of events. I'm sure hoping for the inspired football thing, without the injury thing.


Harrell has been busting his ass off playing for a while now in practice. So it's not like he's been thrown into a wolf den unprepared.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 3:58:47 PM(UTC)

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Something occurred to me. I read where Justin is bringing his extended family to this football game. I read where he was really hoping to be activated for it, proximity etc. Now we got KGB released... I wonder what is going through Justin's head right about now. Many have said that there is a danger of him getting re-injured if coming back too soon. This could be terribly interesting tomorrow afternoon. I would not be a bit surprised to see some truly inspired play out of Justin. I wouldn't be surprised if he got hurt trying to do too much, too soon. I guess what I'm thinking is that there is a double-edged sword aspect to this whole turn of events. I'm sure hoping for the inspired football thing, without the injury thing.


Harrell has been busting his ass off playing for a while now in practice. So it's not like he's been thrown into a wolf den unprepared.


My thinking on this is more along the lines of simple human nature. KGB is one of the most respected individuals in the entire league. Justin had to have looked up to him, how could he have not? We knew someone had to go, personally I thought it was going to be someone like Kenneth Pettway. Anytime someone gets released there is a personal story that gets overlooked. I don't think this release falls in the category of "well, it's a tough business." It's beyond that. KGB's production was obviously way down, but his knee(s) didn't get ruined playing slow pitch softball. Justin, Green Bay, and all of us lost a real inspiration in the how to go about your business in KGB... I'm quite sure Justin is fully aware of that, and I am very interested to see how that will translate into his play on the football field. Again, I'm not speaking of fairness, the business side, or anything but how this will impact him as a football player that is obviously aware of his being under a microscope with the draft position, injuries, etc.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:10:03 PM(UTC)

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I loved KGB, class act and he will be missed, but his production was not impressive at all this year. This was a little surprising to me considering the lack of depth there, but i think we all knew it would happen sooner or later.

Well, now that its done, where do they stand on the DL?

from packers.com:

LDE 74 Aaron Kampman 99 Jeremy Thompson* 93 Kenny Pettway
LDT 79 Ryan Pickett 90 Colin Cole
RDT 97 Johnny Jolly 91 Justin Harrell
RDE 96 Michael Montgomery 99 Jeremy Thompson* 57 Jason Hunter

So, kampman, picket, jolly monty/thompson on the first team, i sort of expect thompson to start with his good play the last couple games

and kampman, monty, jolly/cole, and thompson on passing downs?

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but i seem to remember in TC talk of monty playing a lot on the inside.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:23:16 PM(UTC)

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I think it's probably because KGB is one of our highest paid players. If he didn't make so much money, he probably wouldn't have been a casualty.


Are you serious? You think this is solely about money?

KGB is a veteran, meaning the Packers have to pay him his remaining salary for the year, even if they cut him. This move saves the Packers no money, and the fact that we are loads under the salary cap means we didn't need to save the money anyways, seeing as cap surplus doesn't carry from year to year.


This move is simply to sure up our biggest weakness: Run D. KGB is a one trick pony, and lately he had been doing his one trick pretty poorly. Given that KGB doesn't play ST either, this move was the only move that would least impact the overall dynamics of the team. Pettaway and Hunter will now be relied on to fill KGB's role on 3rd Downs.

The interesting thing in all of this is that I thought KGB was coming off his best game of the season against the Colts. That's not really saying a whole lot considering how ineffective KGB has been this year, but I thought the improvement would've bought him some time to see if he could continue his upward play. I guess that wasn't going to be the case.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:30:59 PM(UTC)

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I think it's probably because KGB is one of our highest paid players. If he didn't make so much money, he probably wouldn't have been a casualty.


Are you serious? You think this is solely about money?

KGB is a veteran, meaning the Packers have to pay him his remaining salary for the year, even if they cut him. This move saves the Packers no money, and the fact that we are loads under the salary cap means we didn't need to save the money anyways, seeing as cap surplus doesn't carry from year to year.


This move is simply to sure up our biggest weakness: Run D. KGB is a one trick pony, and lately he had been doing his one trick pretty poorly. Given that KGB doesn't play ST either, this move was the only move that would least impact the overall dynamics of the team. Pettaway and Hunter will now be relied on to fill KGB's role on 3rd Downs.

The interesting thing in all of this is that I thought KGB was coming off his best game of the season against the Colts. That's not really saying a whole lot considering how ineffective KGB has been this year, but I thought the improvement would've bought him some time to see if he could continue his upward play. I guess that wasn't going to be the case.


Actually AADP we will eat part of his contract this year and part next, so it was about money. I have a problem with a guy making KGB's coin and only being a pass rush specialist. KGB's contract demanded a three down player which he never was or could be. I don't fault KGB for his contract, but the people in charge that offered it. I wish him well, but I do not see this move as a bad one; rather, I've been wondering why it has taken so long.
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#21 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:32:08 PM(UTC)

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+1 all about. There will be some dead money involved next year, something Ted Thompson has been so very excellent at minimizing, but make no mistake, KGB gets his full pay for the rest of the year. I hate dead money... If you ever want to see something really ugly, go look at the Vikes dead money situation. I almost (almost) feel sorry for vikesrule and formo in that particular department. This was not a money thing.
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#22 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:45:35 PM(UTC)

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I loved KGB, class act and he will be missed, but his production was not impressive at all this year. This was a little surprising to me considering the lack of depth there, but i think we all knew it would happen sooner or later.

Well, now that its done, where do they stand on the DL?

from packers.com:

LDE 74 Aaron Kampman 99 Jeremy Thompson* 93 Kenny Pettway
LDT 79 Ryan Pickett 90 Colin Cole
RDT 97 Johnny Jolly 91 Justin Harrell
RDE 96 Michael Montgomery 99 Jeremy Thompson* 57 Jason Hunter

So, kampman, picket, jolly monty/thompson on the first team, i sort of expect thompson to start with his good play the last couple games

and kampman, monty, jolly/cole, and thompson on passing downs?

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but i seem to remember in TC talk of monty playing a lot on the inside.

thanks quake. you saved me some time.
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#23 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:48:38 PM(UTC)

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I want to revise, quite a bit, actually... I'm pretty sure it wasn't a money thing.
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#24 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:52:51 PM(UTC)

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It's true that he's getting the money offered at the end of the year, but look at the rest of the roster. Pettway could've been the odd man out.
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#25 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 5:05:53 PM(UTC)

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I think they view pettway as a player they can develop, whereas KGB is declining. Really this seams to scream more of a long term move than anything, as i dont know that its really all that positive in the short term, considering depth. But getting some of these guys that playing time instead of KGB will be a very big positive for the future of the team, if they plan on keeping any of these guys around. At some point you've got to throw these guys out there and see what they really have to offer.

It also sends a very clear message to the rest of the players, that no matter what you've done in the past, no matter how much you make, if you do not perform you wont be playing.
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#26 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 5:06:12 PM(UTC)

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The Packers just keep getting younger and younger, moves like this have to effect the thinking of other veteran players.

Justin Harrell hasn't proved a thing,hopefully he stays hea;thy.

KGB won't be unemployed long, good luck to him.
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#27 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 5:26:07 PM(UTC)

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There goes my favorite player. Now I'll never be able to get his jersey :&lt;

With the way he played this year though, this was bound to happen sooner or later. Especially with his salary....

I love how he once against shows what a great guy he in his statement. I have nothing but respect for this man.
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#28 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 5:34:37 PM(UTC)

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There goes my favorite player. Now I'll never be able to get his jersey :&lt;

With the way he played this year though, this was bound to happen sooner or later. Especially with his salary....

I love how he once against shows what a great guy he in his statement. I have nothing but respect for this man.


hey bright side is since he's off the teams, sites that do sell his jersey will be forced to sell em cheaper since he's no longer on the team :thumbright:
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Yeah speechless. He has obviously declined but I have a lot of great memories of him. He will land on his feet somewhere in the NFL for sure.
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#30 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2008 5:46:12 PM(UTC)

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There goes my favorite player. Now I'll never be able to get his jersey :&lt;

With the way he played this year though, this was bound to happen sooner or later. Especially with his salary....

I love how he once against shows what a great guy he in his statement. I have nothing but respect for this man.


hey bright side is since he's off the teams, sites that do sell his jersey will be forced to sell em cheaper since he's no longer on the team :thumbright:


Wich I still can't buy, since I don't have a CC and there'll be about a 115 dollar shipping fee to Europe Razz. But this is getting a bit off-topic.

I see everyone is pretty confident he's getting on a new team though. So what team would actually have him? Realistically, he hasn't stopped the run in his entire career and his pass-rushing has been less than average this season. Only his vision seemed to be good, dropping back in coverage etc. when not getting blocked and what not.

We're a team that needs help on the D-line and we're releasing him... so what team would actually sign him?
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