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Offline TheEngineer  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 1:16:22 AM(UTC)
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It seems like this kid's mouth is big enough for Rodgers to throw into.

http://www.jsonline.com/...ts/packers/33734179.html

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Nashville, Tenn. - On two of the biggest plays in the first half of their 19-16 loss to the Tennessee Titans, the Green Bay Packers decided to throw to - of all people - rookie tight end Jermichael Finley.

He with zero career receptions entering the game.

Not only does the third-round pick think his targeting was warranted in those plays, Finley thinks the Packers need to get him more involved in the offense.

"I'm ready to execute," Finley said. "I'm ready to play now. You know what I'm saying? And I think I should get used more."

Offensive coordinator Joe Philbin was amused by Finley's suggestion.

"Interesting comment," Philbin said. "I think that's interesting. I'll withhold comment."

Both Finley and Philbin said Finley's sudden emergence as a viable receiving target wasn't because of some matchup they liked. It just happened.

"I just came in just like another day ready to play, not knowing what's going on, not knowing what's going on with the coaches," Finley said. "And then the ball came and I took it and I do what I can."

Finley got his first chance with 4 minutes 26 seconds left in the first quarter, when coach Mike McCarthy decided to go for it on fourth and 1 at the Titans' 44-yard line.

Against an all-out blitz and with Titans linebacker David Thornton in his face, quarterback Aaron Rodgers targeted Finley, who was matched up with safety Chris Hope. Rodgers threw to Finley's back shoulder and the ball was too difficult to handle.

"I've made plays like that in practice - several," Finley said. "I think he should have led me a little more. Well, a lot more. Really he didn't throw it good at all, to be honest. I just think. . . . He knows my game, coaches know my game. I'm more like a run and jump. I'm really not no back shoulder or whatever he had going on back there. They just have to know what kind of player I am and use me in that aspect of the game."

Although Rodgers was not asked directly about Finley's comments, he agreed that he didn't throw the ball well.

"If I could do it again, I probably would have put more air on it to give him a better chance to come up with the ball," Rodgers said. "So I'm disappointed about that throw as well because Coach goes for it on fourth down, gives you a lot of confidence but you've got to execute those plays."

On the Packers' next possession, Finley went in motion to the left and found he was matched up one-on-one against linebacker Josh Stamer. When safety Michael Griffin came over to help, Rodgers threw the ball away although Finley again was able to get his right hand on the ball.

"That was more a specialized play that we'd been practicing that play, for a while," Philbin said. "And we felt like it was a good time to call it and a good situation to call it. It looked like a decent ball but we weren't able to come down with it."

Later in the game, Finley did get his first career catch on a 6-yard pass in the right flat.

"That's just like I got both my feet in the door," Finley said. "Now I'm ready to kick it down."

A mixed bag: The returns of cornerback Al Harris and safety Atari Bigby to the Packers' secondary went well for the most part.

The Packers allowed Titans quarterback Kerry Collins to complete only 48.6% of his passes and his rating was just 62.9.

Collins completed only eight passes to his wide receivers, as Harris had good coverage throughout at right cornerback. But he did not knock down any passes, make a tackle or record any other statistic, according to the official game statistics.

"I felt good, moving around," said Harris, who suffered a lacerated spleen in Week 3 against Dallas. "Just have to get my football legs under me."

Harris said he did not wear any additional protection for his injury.

Bigby, who had been out since the first half of the second game against Detroit, had five total tackles. He was not thrilled by his performance. Bigby on several occasions had trouble making his normally sound open-field tackles.

"Not quite, not quite," Bigby said as if he was back to his normal self. "Just the extra burst that I normally have (wasn't there). Just the extra first step. You know? (I have a ) pretty good first step. Wasn't quite there."

Take back the hit: Packers linebacker Brady Poppinga admitted that he erred on his personal foul penalty in the first quarter, which directly led to a Titans field goal.

After Collins had thrown incomplete on third down, Poppinga was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct when he slapped Titans tackle David Stewart on the head in retaliation for a push and a swipe. The penalty gave the Titans a first down.

"He was just trying to be an instigator," Poppinga said. "He punched me in the face and I just punched him back. That's not the way to react to somebody punching you in the face.

"Would I do it again? No. I would have just held my ground and kept my cool. But sometimes your own aggression and killer instinct gets the best of you. That happens sometimes."

Not quite close enough: McCarthy said he needed about 3 more yards before letting Mason Crosby attempt a go-ahead field goal with 2 minutes left in regulation and the score tied at 16-16.

A screen pass on third and 10 to running back Brandon Jackson only went 2 yards, partly because left guard Jason Spitz failed to execute his block. The Packers were at the Tennessee 43. McCarthy said he needed to get to the 40.

"I was disappointed in the third-down production, frankly, based on the defense they had called and the play that we had called," McCarthy said. "My initial thought was to go for it, but I didn't really like the time left on the clock at that point of the game. The decision was to punt. We had them backed up to the 8. I still think it was the right decision."

Titans kicker Rob Bironas, who kicked the winner in overtime in that direction, said the wind was with the kicker. Bironas said his range would have been "50 to 55, whatever we needed." His career long is 60.

Short yardage: Besides left tackle Chad Clifton's allergic reaction to medication, the only in-game injury was to running back Ryan Grant, who had to go out a few times with an unspecified injury. . . .

According to wide receiver James Jones, he was a healthy scratch and he didn't know why he was inactive. "My knee's fine," Jones said. "I don't know. I don't know. That's something you have to ask Coach. I don't know. I have no comment on that."
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Offline longtimefan  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 1:23:00 AM(UTC)
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WTF?

\I thought as did Moose that both balls should have been caught..Could have been thrown better yes but still catch able balls..

that was his specialty in college right his hands?
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 1:27:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
And I think I should get used more."


What ever you say T.O.

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post

"I think he should have led me a little more. Well, a lot more. Really he didn't throw it good at all, to be honest.


Great job at throwing another Qb under the bus Owens. He'll so want to throw it to you again.

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I just think. . . . He knows my game, coaches know my game. I'm more like a run and jump. I'm really not no back shoulder or whatever he had going on back there. They just have to know what kind of player I am and use me in that aspect of the game."


So not only do you want to be "used" more your complaining how the ball gets to you? How about the next time it hits your hands you catch it. You cost the Packers 4 points by now making the TD and they had to settle for a FG. In other words you cost the team the game (so did other but that's not the point) you complain about how the ball gets to you and you lose the game for the team?


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According to wide receiver James Jones, he was a healthy scratch and he didn't know why he was inactive. "My knee's fine," Jones said. "I don't know. I don't know. That's something you have to ask Coach. I don't know. I have no comment on that."


Next Finley for a couple of games just for his commit. Also GET JONES OFF THE BENCH IF HE IS HEALTHY.

That was the worse call of the game to let Finley play and Jones sit.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 1:55:51 AM(UTC)
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Ruvell Martin>>>Finley. Those plays they called should have gone to a better big body, Ruvell. I know we cant put him in at TE because of the size or blocking ability, and it would obviously give the play away. But if we want a big target, hes the guy.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 2:25:38 AM(UTC)
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Ruvell Martin>>>Finley. Those plays they called should have gone to a better big body, Ruvell. I know we cant put him in at TE because of the size or blocking ability, and it would obviously give the play away. But if we want a big target, hes the guy.


Finley isnt there to block either LOL
Offline tromadz  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 2:41:38 AM(UTC)
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Well say goodbye to your career kid.

If he doesn't turn that crap around ASAP, he's done.
Offline HoustonMatt  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 2:56:53 AM(UTC)
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I'm going to give this kid the benefit of the doubt and chalk those comments up to inexperience with the media or something. Clearly, one of the coaches will speak with him about it, so I'll reserve judgment until later date. With that said, that kind of attitude can't be welcome in the locker room. So while I'm not going to pass judgment on him yet, let's just say this incident has been noted.
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Offline evad04  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:42:59 AM(UTC)
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That was the worse call of the game to let Finley play and Jones sit.


I don't disagree that Finley's comments are of the T.O./"Meshawn" variety, but I disagree with this statement. The Packers used the 3 TE set with success on Sunday. That's something they would not have been able to do with ... erm... only 2 TEs.
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Offline blueleopard  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 4:10:46 AM(UTC)
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Finley's a playmaker and will eventually start for the Packers.

He might be an ass, but he's talented. He's a rookie with no experience. Once he gets experience, he'll produce.

But yeah, it's all his fault.
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Offline tromadz  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:42:19 AM(UTC)
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Finley's a playmaker and will eventually start for the Packers.

He might be an ass, but he's talented. He's a rookie with no experience. Once he gets experience, he'll produce.

But yeah, it's all his fault.


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Offline Overkill  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:54:35 AM(UTC)
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"He might be an ass, but he's talented."

And he is young, but "ass" is too kind. "D|ck" is more accurate.
That shttitude is what McTed've been weed killing, trying to.
Wonder if they talked about it in private. "See what the kid Finley said?" "*smirk* Yeah. Think he'd catch more than one before starting in on coaching."
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Offline Greg C.  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:19:30 AM(UTC)
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How about the next time it hits your hands you catch it. You cost the Packers 4 points by now making the TD and they had to settle for a FG. In other words you cost the team the game (so did other but that's not the point) you complain about how the ball gets to you and you lose the game for the team?


It's amazing how different fans see things differently. That pass in the end zone did not even look catchable to me. The one on fourth down would have been a very difficult catch if he made it. The problem on both plays was that Finley failed to get open.

But Finley did not "lose the game for the team." A player doesn't lose a game by failing to catch a pass in the second quarter.

His comments were stupid and not the sort of thing I expect to hear from a Packer player, but maybe it's just a case of him being a rookie and being frustrated after a loss. Calling the QB out for a bad throw is especially idiotic. If he wants a good throw he should try getting open. Hopefully he will wise up.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:21:33 AM(UTC)
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Like said before, he's new to the media and everything. Ofcourse these comments aren't really doing him any good, especially having proven nothing, but let's just see how he goes along.

A couple of weeks ago Rodgers was an egoistic dck if I remember correct.

He really should stop doing this though, especially as a TE. He's not supposed to be a prima-donna like half the WRs in the league. The only TE that can pull that off is Shannon :p
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Offline Greg C.  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:24:55 AM(UTC)
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A couple of weeks ago Rodgers was an egoistic dck if I remember correct.


What are you even talking about?
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:28:24 AM(UTC)
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A couple of weeks ago Rodgers was an egoistic dck if I remember correct.


What are you even talking about?


That's not my opinion, let's make that clear first, nor was it ever.

I recall him saying something in training camp about Brett, and it offended alot of Packer fans who labelled him as self-centered and what not really fast.

Now these comments are a bit different obviously, but it does seem to go the same way. Condemming him on one interview.

EDIT : Typo's
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Offline Greg C.  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:29:42 AM(UTC)
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A couple of weeks ago Rodgers was an egoistic dck if I remember correct.


What are you even talking about?


That's not my opinion, let's make that clear first, nor was it ever.

I recall him saying something in training camp about Brett, and it offended alot of Packer fans who labelled him as self-centered and what not really fast.

Now these comments are a bit different obviously, but it does seem to go the same way. Condemming him on one interview.

EDIT : Typo's


Oh, the "get on board or keep their mouths shut" comment. I think most fans took that for what it was: a dumb comment by a guy who was getting a little frustrated with the situation. Some fans even liked the comment. It didn't have too much of a negative effect on Rodgers, because he had already established himself as a guy who had done and said all the right things over the past couple years. And he immediately clarified afterwards that he loves the fans and did not mean to insult them.

What causes some worry about Finley is that, for most of us, this is the first thing that has come out of his pie-hole since joining the Packers. It's all we have to judge him by right now, and it's not a good start. But it will quickly be forgotten if he plays well and doesn't make a habit of saying dumb things.
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Offline mkapp  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 10:28:15 AM(UTC)
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Finley's a playmaker and will eventually start for the Packers.

He might be an ass, but he's talented. He's a rookie with no experience. Once he gets experience, he'll produce.

But yeah, it's all his fault.


If he is an ass now, what kind of attitude will he have once he is a "regular" on this offense? I dont want a Kellen Winslow on this team. Shut up and play or go home.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 11:32:05 AM(UTC)
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McCarthy's thoughts on Finley's sentiments:

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Finley's gripes find no traction

By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Nov. 3, 2008

Green Bay - Rookie tight end Jermichael Finley wants a bigger role in the Green Bay Packers' offense, but after Sunday he might be lucky to be active for the next game against Minnesota.

Not only did Finley play poorly against the Tennessee Titans, he mouthed off afterward, complaining that quarterback Aaron Rodgers' throws didn't play to his strength and that the coaches have to better understand his talents and what he can add to the offense.

Suffice it to say, he wasn't hearing an amen from the choir.

"I don't agree with the tight end's quote," coach Mike McCarthy said Monday.

Finley was involved in a fourth-and-1 play on the Packers' second possession in which Rodgers threw a "back-shoulder" pass, for which the tight end had to turn around. The ball bounced off his chest, incomplete.

"We were expecting man in that particular situation," McCarthy said of the coverage. "It's a hot situation for that particular play. Jermichael had a poor release. He was too high, and Aaron was trying to 'back-shoulder' him. It's a play that we practice all of the time. It's a common throw in our offense."

Finley was also involved in a second-quarter play from the Tennessee 5-yard line in which he ran a fade route to the left corner of the end zone. There was a man underneath him and a man over the top, but there was enough room for him and Rodgers to connect for a touchdown.

Finley was backing up to the end line when he made an awkward leap for the pass, deflecting it out of bounds with one hand. The Packers wound up settling for a field goal.

"There's nothing I could have done; it was out of bounds," Finley said after the game. "When I was running, the ball was, like, fading more and more. I just made an effort toward the ball so there's really nothing I could have done with that one."

That wasn't exactly the interpretation of offensive coordinator Joe Philbin.

"You've got to get two feet on the ground and go up and jump up and go get the ball," Philbin said. "It isn't that hard of a game. Yeah, I thought he was open. I mean, they had the safety over the top and they walked out a linebacker. It's a pretty good matchup."

As for the throw, Philbin said it was just fine.

"I think so," he said. "I think you have to go make the play. I try to act smart and say there's some special super technique that we had for that but, geez, go get the ball. If you're in the backyard, that's what you would do."
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 11:47:19 AM(UTC)
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Like a wise man once said:

"Don't let your alligator mouth get you into a situation your hummingbird ass can't get you out of. "

I pretty much chalked this one up to immaturity and/or lack of experience with the media. I suspect that his coaches will be delivering a crash course on STFU this week... I hope he is smarter than was evidenced by those comments.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 12:05:02 PM(UTC)
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That was the worse call of the game to let Finley play and Jones sit.


I don't disagree that Finley's comments are of the T.O./"Meshawn" variety, but I disagree with this statement. The Packers used the 3 TE set with success on Sunday. That's something they would not have been able to do with ... erm... only 2 TEs.


Well with Jones and Martin they could of run the big 5. But with Jones on the bench they couldn't run the big 5.

And Finley had two drops and one catch for 6 yards. Of those two drops one was for a TD and one was on 4th down for a 1st down.



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How about the next time it hits your hands you catch it. You cost the Packers 4 points by now making the TD and they had to settle for a FG. In other words you cost the team the game (so did other but that's not the point) you complain about how the ball gets to you and you lose the game for the team?


It's amazing how different fans see things differently. That pass in the end zone did not even look catchable to me. The one on fourth down would have been a very difficult catch if he made it. The problem on both plays was that Finley failed to get open.

But Finley did not "lose the game for the team." A player doesn't lose a game by failing to catch a pass in the second quarter.

His comments were stupid and not the sort of thing I expect to hear from a Packer player, but maybe it's just a case of him being a rookie and being frustrated after a loss. Calling the QB out for a bad throw is especially idiotic. If he wants a good throw he should try getting open. Hopefully he will wise up.


I thought he could of got both. No saying they were easy but their not paying him for things to be easy for him. And no he didn't lose the game by himself I over did it there but if he were to makes the catches he dropped the Packers might of won the game.

And he's acting like Owens/MeShawn and he's making more bad plays than good ones.



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Like a wise man once said:

"Don't let your alligator mouth get you into a situation your hummingbird ass can't get you out of. "

I pretty much chalked this one up to immaturity and/or lack of experience with the media. I suspect that his coaches will be delivering a crash course on STFU this week... I hope he is smarter than was evidenced by those comments.


I don't know who said that quote but I like it. I hope the coaches get on him for those commit. Do you really think Rodgers is going to want to pass to you with commits like that?
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 12:12:44 PM(UTC)
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A couple of weeks ago Rodgers was an egoistic dck if I remember correct.


What are you even talking about?


That's not my opinion, let's make that clear first, nor was it ever.

I recall him saying something in training camp about Brett, and it offended alot of Packer fans who labelled him as self-centered and what not really fast.

Now these comments are a bit different obviously, but it does seem to go the same way. Condemming him on one interview.

EDIT : Typo's


Oh, the "get on board or keep your mouths shut" comment. I think most fans took that for what it was: a dumb comment by a guy who was getting a little frustrated with the situation. Some fans even liked the comment. It didn't have too much of a negative effect on Rodgers, because he had already established himself as a guy who had done and said all the right things over the past couple years. And he immediately clarified afterwards that he loves the fans and did not mean to insult them.


And you truly believe what the media says all the time? As we have come to learn sometimes the media blows things up on purpose ( this is about rodgers) Call pr and ask, might give you a whole new out look on shut up and get on board..
but yeah lets only believe the medai when it suits are arguments
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 12:14:57 PM(UTC)
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I am going to say that Mike McCarthy pulled him into the office and had some tea with him and told him to please STFU
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 12:20:01 PM(UTC)
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It doesn't surprise me that everyone is frustrated after the loss. It's going to manifest in different ways, especially with such young people like Finley. He was probably bothered that he didn't catch either ball, and both balls were difficult catches - I think we can all agree on that. He's a Packer and I'm willing not to insult him. Give him a stern talking to and a "free pass" this time. He can't keep the attitude up though.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, November 4, 2008 12:45:49 PM(UTC)
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He is a young kid making a silly and aggressive comment.. I mark it up as a coaching opportunity, because I am sure Mike McCarthy and staff will be on his arse about that type of comment.

Kind of like the out of context Rodgers comment as mentioned.. a one time pass type of thing.. don't give the media any fodder or they will take the house on you.

On the "Pack Attack" program last night filmed in Wausau, WI.. he was more humble.. not the greatest public speaker, but I didn't hear any of this 'tude.
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His just trying to build up some confidence for himself.
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