Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
3 Pages123>
Options
View
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:01:42 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool

Rank: Legend

Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

United States
Posts: 25,733
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI

Applause Given: 1,864
Applause Received: 2,032

Quote:
Updated: 12:11 p.m. January 15, 2009

Robbery suspect shot, killed in East Atlanta
Potential victim got the jump on him, fires 5 or 6 times
By MIKE MORRIS, TIM EBERLY

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Thursday, January 15, 2009

A robbery suspect was shot and killed by his intended victim outside an East Atlanta Village bar late Wednesday, Atlanta police said Thursday.

Police do not believe the shooting has any connection to the recent high-profile killing at a Grant Park bar.

The suspected robber, a 29-year-old man from the Decatur area, carried a Colt .40-caliber handgun, while the gun that killed bar worker John Henderson was a 9mm, Atlanta police Detective Michael Willis said.

The killing Wednesday comes a week after Hendersons killing in another popular hangout about two miles away, Standard Food & Spirits, sparked an outpouring of community support and galvanized grassroots efforts to improve public safety by some who say the city is becoming more dangerous.

Willis said he could not release the identity of the dead man Thursday morning because he had not yet notified relatives of his death.

The detective also declined to name the man and woman police said were the intended robbery victims. The man who opened fire in self defense is a 28-year-old who works in the airline industry and lives in a northern suburb of Atlanta, possibly Cobb County, Willis said.

The woman he was with they have been dating for a couple of months is around 40 years old and lives in the Marietta area, Willis said.

Wednesday night, the couple made their way to the popular East Atlanta Village, known for its trendy bars and eateries, because they have been taking swing-dancing lessons, Willis said.

Their dancing instructor told them that one of the East Atlanta bars, Graveyard Tavern, had big band nights, Willis said.

So they came down here to dance, Willis said.

When they left the bar around 11:15 p.m., the man gave his date the keys to his Ford Ranger pickup truck so she could drive. They walked to the truck, parked in an Ace Hardware lot across a side street on the same side of Glenwood Avenue.

Inside the vehicle, the woman was adjusting the drivers seat and mirrors when the man looked over his shoulder and saw a man standing at his passenger window, Willis said.

Believing the man was going to beg for money, the passenger rolled down his window a few inches, Willis said. But he had a strange feeling about the man, so he grabbed his gun from the glove box and put it on his lap, Willis said.

He asked the stranger what he wanted, and noticed the man was reaching for his waistband or pockets, the detective said. Instinctively, the passenger shoved open his door, knocking the suspected robber back a few feet, Willis said. The woman started screaming.

The man got out of the truck and the suspected robber raised a weapon at him, Willis said. When he saw that, he just started shooting, the detective said.

The man shot the suspected robber five or six times, in the stomach and chest, Willis said. The robber did not fire any shots.

He just got the jump on him, Willis said of the victim. He told me he fired until the guy was no longer a threat to him.

Willis said the mans accuracy was impressive. In an interview later, the man told Willis that his brother used to shoot firearms competitively and taught him to shoot.

As one could expect, the shooting left the man and his companion visibly shaken.

He actually said, Im surprised I havent thrown up yet, Willis said. He was that upset.

Willis said he did not know much about the suspected robber. A criminal background check did not reveal any recent arrests by Atlanta police, but he might have a criminal history in DeKalb County.



I'm not sure how I feel about this. In the article one of the commentators said if someone is going to brand a gun in your face, they are ready to meet their maker as well.

I have wondered if we would be a better society if we all knew the person we were flipping off had a loaded gun and if it would make us think twice about being so snide. Kind of like the internet actually, people know they can hide behind their screen so suddenly they are 'tougher'. I think if we all had a loaded gun, we'd respect the person next to us far more.

What do you think about this or my comments? (I'm bored at work, please, entertain me! lol)

UserPostedImage
Click here and find the LATEST Packers News!
Sponsor
Offline RaiderPride  
#2 Posted : Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:48:55 PM(UTC)
RaiderPride

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

Posts: 2,018
Joined: 7/17/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 99
Applause Received: 189

There is a City 20 miles east of Atlanta called Kennesaw.

I went there to visit the Civil War Battlefield at Kennesaw Mountain. The first person I saw in Kennesaw was walking down the street with two 45's in a two gun holster.

In Kennesaw Georgia IT IS THE LAW that you own and maintain a firearm if you own a home. You can also wear or carry them on the public streets.

Read this... Oh... Crime is almost non existant by the way.

http://www.associatedcon...andatory_for.html?cat=17
""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."
Offline Cheesey  
#3 Posted : Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:50:00 PM(UTC)
Cheesey

Rank: Most Valuable Player

Posts: 8,565
Joined: 7/28/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 160
Applause Received: 348

People shouldn't HAVE to carry a gun for you to respect them.
That said.......my last statement will never become reality.

Yes....i believe people would be less apt to whip the bird, or confront you if they thought it might end up with them looking like a piece of swiss cheese.

That story was just one more piece of proof that you have to be able to protect yourself in today's world. It's sad that it's come to that, but it is what it is.
I have always said........if i had to shoot someone, i would. But it would sicken me.....i hope i NEVER have to do that.
I don't feel sorry for any punk that tries to rob, rape, or hurt someone because they feel "brave" cause they have a gun.
Lets build a city, put a high fence around it, put all the violent criminals in it, give them each a gun, and let THEM get rid of our problems. Within 6 months the city would have zero population.
UserPostedImage
Offline dhazer  
#4 Posted : Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:18:25 PM(UTC)
dhazer

Rank: Pro Bowl

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2013Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2009PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Bronze: 2013

Posts: 3,900
Joined: 9/14/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 45
Applause Received: 192

RP i brought up that town in the guns and athletes section i think all legal citizens should carry guns. Lets go back to the old west :D

BTW i have my carry permit so i do carry mine most of the time, or i have one close by in my Jeep.
UserPostedImage

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be :)
Offline RaiderPride  
#5 Posted : Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:24:14 PM(UTC)
RaiderPride

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

Posts: 2,018
Joined: 7/17/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 99
Applause Received: 189

Hazer....

What city and State do you live in?
""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."
Offline dhazer  
#6 Posted : Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:42:52 PM(UTC)
dhazer

Rank: Pro Bowl

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2013Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2009PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Bronze: 2013

Posts: 3,900
Joined: 9/14/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 45
Applause Received: 192

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Hazer....

What city and State do you live in?



I'm in PA RP you pay $25 bucks here go thru a background check and 2 references and bang you have your carry permit
UserPostedImage

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be :)
Offline Cheesey  
#7 Posted : Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:36:19 PM(UTC)
Cheesey

Rank: Most Valuable Player

Posts: 8,565
Joined: 7/28/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 160
Applause Received: 348

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Hazer....

What city and State do you live in?



I'm in PA RP you pay $25 bucks here go thru a background check and 2 references and bang you have your carry permit

What a choice of words......."BANG!!!"
LOLOL!!!
Really though, if we all COULD carry, it wouldn't be as bad as the "old west". Back then, they didn't have cameras, police departments in every town, the ability to let everyone know who the bad guys are with TV and the web.
So a criminal wouldn't be able to go from town to town, unknown, and be able to knock off banks and so on.
Like i have said, over and over, the bad guys are already carrying, and THEY are the ones everyone needs to worry about.
I'd like the chance to carry, in CASE it's needed.
But as long as ol' Gov. Doyle, the bleeding heart liberal, is in office, we Wisconsinites will be at the mercy of the punks.
UserPostedImage
Offline vegOmatic  
#8 Posted : Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:03:34 AM(UTC)
vegOmatic

Rank: 5th Round Draft Pick

Posts: 505
Joined: 8/11/2008(UTC)

Applause Received: 3

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I'm not sure how I feel about this.


If the guy reloaded with 3-4 more clips and pumped the bullets into him, I might have raised an eyebrow.
blank
Offline TheEngineer  
#9 Posted : Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:29:41 AM(UTC)
TheEngineer

Rank: 5th Round Draft Pick

Posts: 1,621
Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)


Reading these kind of articles makes me shake my head.

Anyone consider the fact that if the "victim" didn't have a weapon, he probably wouldn't have moved to shove open the door which would have been unlikely to startle the robber into pulling out a weapon?

This is legal murder. That's what it is. Shove the dude, let him pull out a weapon and then blast away. And hey, no problem, it was "self defence".
blank
Offline vegOmatic  
#10 Posted : Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:01:24 PM(UTC)
vegOmatic

Rank: 5th Round Draft Pick

Posts: 505
Joined: 8/11/2008(UTC)

Applause Received: 3

Every situation may be different but in this case the person was carrying a weapon and attempting to rob someone. Victims have rights. Including the right to shoot.
blank
Offline Cheesey  
#11 Posted : Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:02:16 PM(UTC)
Cheesey

Rank: Most Valuable Player

Posts: 8,565
Joined: 7/28/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 160
Applause Received: 348

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Reading these kind of articles makes me shake my head.

Anyone consider the fact that if the "victim" didn't have a weapon, he probably wouldn't have moved to shove open the door which would have been unlikely to startle the robber into pulling out a weapon?

This is legal murder. That's what it is. Shove the dude, let him pull out a weapon and then blast away. And hey, no problem, it was "self defence".

And, did anyone consider that if the "victim" didn't have a weapon, that maybe he and his girlfriend could have ended up the ones being DEAD?

Which brings us back too......the guy was going to try to rob them. At LEAST that, if not rape or kill.
Oh....and "startle" the robber? If the robber had a gun (which he did) he obviously intended to use it.
Are you trying to say the "victim" should have just ALLOWED himself to be robbed, or WORSE? Should he have taken the chance that MAYBE, just MAYBE the guy would just rob him and let him go? Do you bother to read the papers, watch the news, check out the web, to see how many people are shot by robbers every day in this country?
It boggles my mind how many people (you included) try to make the REAL victim out to be the CRIMINAL. Did the guy in his vehicle go out with the intent to try to commit a criminal act against an innocent person?
Answer: NO!
ALL he did was defend himself, his girlfriend, and their property against some scumbag punk.
Now lets get down to who is REALLY responsible for the scumbag crook getting killed.
Had the punk NOT gone out to rob anyone, would he have been shot and killed? No.
So.....who's fault is it???? HIS OWN!
I feel NO sadness for a punk that dies while commiting a crime.

Also.....maybe he would have "only" robbed them and let them go.
But the punk IS carrying a gun. Who's to say he doesn't kill some innocent person down the line? If he's commiting armed robbery now, you think he's going to stop there?
He has been stopped from ever robbing or killing anyone in the future.

The punk that died is the criminal, PERIOD.
Someone that commits self defense is NOT a "murderer".

Tell me......if some punk came up to you and your wife/girlfriend and pulled a gun, would you not do EVERYTHING in your power to protect yourself and your loved one?
If you say you wouldn't, i don't believe you.
Unless you have BEEN there and had to do it, it's easy to judge someone else.
I had to get between a robber and my wife......had i had a gun, i would not have shot the guy unless i had to.
I can't help but wonder though, is the guy still out there? Has he robbed, maybe killed somone since this happened in 1986?
If i had had a gun, i would have held the punk till the cops got there. But he ran, and i had no way to stop him. I hope no one else had to pay for my not being able to stop the punk.
UserPostedImage
Offline Zero2Cool  
#12 Posted : Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:36:52 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool

Rank: Legend

Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

United States
Posts: 25,733
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI

Applause Given: 1,864
Applause Received: 2,032

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Every situation may be different but in this case the person was carrying a weapon and attempting to rob someone. Victims have rights. Including the right to shoot.
I agree. Everyone needs to be able to defend themselves. The strong survive.

UserPostedImage
Click here and find the LATEST Packers News!
Offline Cheesey  
#13 Posted : Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:51:02 PM(UTC)
Cheesey

Rank: Most Valuable Player

Posts: 8,565
Joined: 7/28/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 160
Applause Received: 348

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Every situation may be different but in this case the person was carrying a weapon and attempting to rob someone. Victims have rights. Including the right to shoot.
I agree. Everyone needs to be able to defend themselves. The strong survive.

Some seem to think we should just walk down the street with our open wallets in our hands, telling anyone that walks by "Help yourself! You can take/do anything you want to me! I mean, i don't want to become a MURDERER by NOT allowing you to do what you want to me! Oh....and here! Rape my girlfriend if you want to! After all.....YOU have "rights!"

Geez.......
UserPostedImage
Offline 4PackGirl  
#14 Posted : Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:20:35 PM(UTC)
4PackGirl

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

Posts: 2,254
Joined: 12/17/2006(UTC)
Location: illinois

Applause Given2: 150
Applause Received: 123

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Reading these kind of articles makes me shake my head.

Anyone consider the fact that if the "victim" didn't have a weapon, he probably wouldn't have moved to shove open the door which would have been unlikely to startle the robber into pulling out a weapon?

This is legal murder. That's what it is. Shove the dude, let him pull out a weapon and then blast away. And hey, no problem, it was "self defence".


i can't believe that anybody is actually defending this guys actions. the only "victim" here is the guy who got shot...PERIOD!!!!

how many opportunities did this idiot & his girlfriend have to just friggin drive away? why the hell did he roll his window down? he knocked the guy to the ground & THEN got out of the vehicle & shot him...not once, not twice, but MULTIPLE TIMES??? GIVE ME A BREAK GUYS!!!

i don't advocate gun control but it's COMPLETE IDIOT AZZHOLES like this who "ruin" it for those of you who ARE diligent & law abiding citizens. why the heck y'all can't see that is beyond me!!

rant...over! btw, my fiance' who wants the laws to allow concealed weapons totally agrees with me in this case. :D
UserPostedImage
Offline Cheesey  
#15 Posted : Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:41:02 PM(UTC)
Cheesey

Rank: Most Valuable Player

Posts: 8,565
Joined: 7/28/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 160
Applause Received: 348

Illy.....when i was robbed, i was naive. The guy was sitting in my car, and i thought maybe he was sick or had something wrong with him. I had NO idea he was robbing us. I was more concerned to help him......and he robbed us.

The guy in the truck said that he thought maybe the guy was just a beggar coming up to ask for money.

How many times do you get that little voice that tells you "somethings not quite right" and you ignore it? The guy in the truck....if he didn't already have the truck running and in gear, whats he supposed to do? Say to the crook "Wait a sec, i have to start my truck and drive away!" In that time, you have a gun in your face. These things happen in a split second. We sit here, and have the ability to take time to figure what we would do. KNOWING that the guy was a crook with a gun. But these things happen BAM BAM, and you have THAT much time to figure what you need to do to survive. 5 seconds, tops. You make the wrong choice, you, or your friend are dead.
It's easy to judge and say "Oh, i wouldn't have done this or that" and YOU end up the one being carried away by the coroner.
The punk that planned the robbery is the ONLY criminal here. He was the one planning to use his gun to rob innocent people. He got what he earned by his OWN actions.
Again.......had he NOT gone out with a gun in his possesion, to use it to rob people, he'd still be alive, right?
Who's own actions caused his own death? Himself.
He caused it himself, period.
If you go out with a gun to rob people, ANYTHING bad that happens to you is your OWN fault, and your OWN fault ONLY.

Also.......i was taught that when someone pulls a gun on you, you shoot until there is NO way the person can shoot back and hurt or kill you. That was taught to me by my Uncle, who was a Milwaukee Police detective. You also have to PROVE you feared for your life.
If you don't kill the guy, guess what.....he will come back and try to sue you for using unnecessay force. Think thats not possible? It's been done....MANY times.
UserPostedImage
Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest
3 Pages123>
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error

Recent Topics
16m / Green Bay Packers Talk / uffda udfa

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Dexter_Sinister

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / yooperfan

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / MintBaconDrivel

9h / Random Babble / wpr

10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / texaspackerbacker

10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / DarkaneRules

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

19h / Around The NFL / Laser Gunns

21-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / sschind

21-Aug / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

21-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

20-Aug / Random Babble / DakotaT

20-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / texaspackerbacker

20-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey


Tweeter

Copyright © 2006-2014 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.