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Nonstopdrivel  
#21 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:04:55 PM(UTC)

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"Don't listen to all the haters", what the hell is that all about young man?


Believe me, I wasn't holding this man up as an exemplar of good writing or logical argument, merely quoting him to show that there is vocal dissatisfaction with Peppers even among Carolina fans.

I think what he was trying to say is that a lot of so-called "Ted Thompson haters" are demanding that Thompson make a big splash in free agency to prove his mettle as a GM, and this guy wants to point out that it would be short-sighted of Thompson to gamble on Peppers.

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Peppers could be humbled into being a player who takes his game to the next level.


While that is an interesting perspective, I have to wonder if gambling huge money on the possibility that the storied tradition of Lambeau Field might awe a player is really a wise move.

I guess the whole point of this thread is to discuss that possibility, isn't it. :)
bozz_2006  
#22 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:11:11 PM(UTC)

lol. thanks for the quote, but i think RP said that, not me!
blueleopard  
#23 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:37:40 PM(UTC)

I'm more worried about Peppers fitting in the new scheme than his "I only play when I want to" attitude.

You suit up every down. You're paid to play. Offensive linemen are punching the hell out of you in every down. Would you really just stand there and take it, because you don't want to play?

He's on the field every down. He's never on the sideline. So uh... yeah, I'd say he wants to play.

Besides, if he were to become a Packer--he'd be playing opposite Aaron Kampman. He'll be in front of the very aggressive Al Harris. He'll be alongside one of the NFL's most gifted athletes in Charles Woodson.

If Peppers is any bit as good as we all know he is, he'd want to show off to our best players as well.
gopackgo  
#24 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:15:27 PM(UTC)

I just wanted to clear this up, because I'm not sure everyone knows it. I didn't until a couple of days ago.

Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 as a stand-up linebacker. DE apparently is not wants he wants anymore.

I was all for getting Peppers until I heard the linebacker bit. Currently at 290 pounds, he is a well oversized to OLB.

Unless he changes his mind about what positions he would want to play, there is no reason we should sign him.
bozz_2006  
#25 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:25:54 PM(UTC)

he's no more fit for a 3-4 DE. If Capers plans on putting Kampman at the end of the line, as an outside rusher, I'd be very interested to see what he would do with Peppers as the other OLB. I've said it before. This ain't gonna be your daddy's 3-4 defense.
flep  
#26 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 5:06:04 PM(UTC)

Sign him.

And while we're at it can we get Haynesworth as well.......

If we use a few draft picks in the process I'm happy with that.
warhawk  
#27 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 6:28:33 PM(UTC)

Was it not Peppers who did virtually nothing in 2007. I know there was a top name like his back then that everybody was wondering where he went.
If so, now that he was in his final year he really has no choice but to show up unless he's not worried about getting paid. I would be worried with anyone where you follow the money and it tells the story.
bozz_2006  
#28 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 6:50:49 PM(UTC)

i said the same thing about woodson when we signed him. people said the same thing during moss's time in oakland. Peppers says he wants out of Carolina. I have to assume his disappearing act had to do with his dissatisfaction with carolina. not saying he won't do that in his new home.
doddpower  
#29 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 7:10:25 PM(UTC)

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Was it not Peppers who did virtually nothing in 2007. I know there was a top name like his back then that everybody was wondering where he went.
If so, now that he was in his final year he really has no choice but to show up unless he's not worried about getting paid. I would be worried with anyone where you follow the money and it tells the story.


Carolina was terrible all the way around in 2007. While it's not ideal, I can see it being tough for a player to give 110% every down of every game when you don't even really have a starting quarterback and you know your team isn't going to the playoffs. It would be tough.

I give him a pass for 2007. He probably just really wants to win.
porky88  
#30 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 7:29:51 PM(UTC)

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As one Carolina fan wrote on the ESPN NFC North blog:

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ATTENTION NFL FANS...I am sorry to say but this guy is highly overrated and I am a fan of his...He only plays when he wants to and very rarely shows up every play. Dont get me wrong he is by far the most gifted athlete in the NFL on defense. But he has no heart and no motor. HE is not worth what he is going to get paid , nor is he worth the draft picks required to pick him up (WE WILL FRANCHISE HIM). I love Pepp and hope he stays, but it has always been frustrating to watch him, when you know, WHEN HE WANTS TO PLAY NO ONE CAN STOP HIM. But that is a VERY rare occurnce. TRUST ME, be careful what you wish for!!!


I get the feeling Carolina fans would be saying different things had Julius Peppers came out and said he wanted to stay in Carolina.

Peppers is a special talent. He was arguably the best defensive end prospect to enter the draft in this decade. It was either him or Mario Williams and I would take Julius Peppers on my team in a heartbeat. The question is whether or not he can work in the 3-4 and sometimes you have to take risks and this is a risk I think is worth taking.

The Packers have so much cap that if he's a bust then so be it. It's not the end of the world and GB isn't going to be in salary cap hell if one guy doesn't workout. People need to remember that Mike Sherman gave big contracts to quite a few players that were busts and that's why the Packers were having problems with their cap.

If he works out then all of a sudden you have Julius Peppers, Aaron Kampman, A.J. Hawk, and Nick Barnett all playing linebacker in the 3-4 defense. The more I think about it the more I think that could be the most intimidating line backing core to play in the NFL in quite along time.
go.pack.go.  
#31 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 8:17:47 PM(UTC)

Off topic, but I had a dream that we signed Albert Haynesworth....lol.

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He really isn't the most gifted player on defense...

And I agree with him, I hope we don't get Peppers.

TED THOMPSON, DON'T LISTEN TO ALL THE HATERS, LEAVE PEPPERS WHERE HE'S AT!!


"Don't listen to all the haters", what the hell is that all about young man?


What I meant was that the vast majority of the Ted Thompson haters want him to go and spend money on a big name...I don't want him to do that with Peppers.
Bigbyfan  
#32 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 8:20:57 PM(UTC)

I would rather wait a year and spend that money on Shawne Merriman when he is a free agent... I know he is coming off of ACL problems, but he is great and the Chargers aren't gonna be willing to pay him.
go.pack.go.  
#33 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 8:22:15 PM(UTC)

Merriman's ACL problem must not have been as bad as others. He tried to play with it in the first game, and then he decided to go on with the surgery.
Bigbyfan  
#34 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 8:26:04 PM(UTC)

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Merriman's ACL problem must not have been as bad as others. He tried to play with it in the first game, and then he decided to go on with the surgery.


Which is why I'm throwing it out there... I have also heard that the organization and Merriman arent happy with each other, so possibly we could get him in a trade. And with the ACL injury, get him a little cheaper.
go.pack.go.  
#35 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 8:38:28 PM(UTC)

Well if his contract is up after this year, then the ACL thing might be a non factor in a trade. That all depends on how he plays though.
Bigbyfan  
#36 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 8:54:36 PM(UTC)

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Well if his contract is up after this year, then the ACL thing might be a non factor in a trade. That all depends on how he plays though.


I mean trade for him this year... get him for a little bit cheaper.
go.pack.go.  
#37 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 8:59:40 PM(UTC)

He'd probably cost us about a 1st or 2nd round pick in the draft probably though...
shield4life  
#38 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 10:22:54 PM(UTC)

Even if his not going for the big money, some GM will over pay him just to have him in there team.
Nonstopdrivel  
#39 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:42:02 AM(UTC)

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As a comparison, what were Reggies similar average stats when he came here?


When Reggie White came to Green Bay in 1993, he had (not including two years in the USFL) 794 tackles (570 solo, 224 assists); 124 sacks, 2 INTs, 0 passes defensed, and 4 fumble recoveries in 8 seasons.

That's an average of 99.25 tackles (71.25 solo, 28 assists); 15.5 sacks; 0.25 INTs, 0 passes defensed; and 0.5 fumble recoveries per season.

His lowest single-season totals for tackles (76) and sacks (11) while in Philadelphia were higher than Peppers has averaged his entire career.

For comparison purposes, if look at the 10-year period that includes his USFL seasons, his totals rise to 987 tackles (98.7/season); 147 sacks (14.7/season); and 6 fumble recoveries (0.6/season).

Truly a remarkable paragon of longevity and consistency.
Rockmolder  
#40 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:33:31 AM(UTC)

Oh, man, how I wish to have seen Reggie play for the Pack. I'd love to meet him, had he not passed away way to early.

As for Peppers, I really don't know about him. I think it'll be a gamble, but he fits the mold of a Charles Woodson. If he turns out the same, we would have a very good defense.

Still makes you wonder where to put him though. He's to expensive to only play on several downs (Then again, I thought the same about KGB) and you don't want to get Cullen out of the game. That's why I'd prefer a big DT or Cullen moved to the middle from time to time.
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