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Pack93z  
#1 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 3:29:32 PM(UTC)
An opinion and some comments you don't hear much about Jennings.. While I disagree with the notion that he isn't special, I don't think he is in the Fitzgerald's neighborhood in terms on contract dollars.

People seem to forget that most receivers don't blossom right out of the gate.. Jennings as been money from day one.. and IMO, only getting better. Scratching the surface of what he can do.. IMO.

Interesting read though

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These negotations arent going to be easy, said a person familiar with the situation. [General manager] Ted Thompson really likes Jennings, but he doesn't believe in giving huge money to a wide receiver."

That last sentiment is consistent with what we were told on the day that the Packers hired Thompson. Heres what we wrote in an article from January 2005: Green Bay's new GM puts a high premium on quarterbacks, offensive tackles, defensive linemen and cornerbacks. He puts far less value on receivers, interior offensive linemen and safeties. Nothing that Thompson has done since taking over would contradict that statement. He opened up his wallet to keep Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Kampman and sign free agent Charles Woodson. He has yet to make a sizable investment in a receiver, an interior offensive lineman or a safety. Thats what makes the upcoming negotiations with Jennings - not to mention Nick Collins - so intriguing.


One comment will wrinkle a couple of peoples undies...


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Is Jennings worth that type of deal? Hes very good, but hes not special, opined a former scout. Defensive coordinators respect but dont fear him. Look, Id love to have him on my team, but I wouldn't be willing to throw my entire salary structure out of whack to make it happen.
Nonstopdrivel  
#2 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 3:50:43 PM(UTC)
I'm guessing Thompson will re-sign Jennings, but look for him to have to work for the money: a sizable chunk of change up front with a lot of incentives. I doubt Thompson will want to commit a fortune to a player whose entire career could so easily be ended by one play (Javon Walker, anyone?).
dhazer  
#3 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 3:56:01 PM(UTC)
Ok well this could be an answer to one of the old questions, Why didn't we sign Randy Moss? As far as your comments NON you know i respect your views but you bring up the one play and boom the career is over aka Walker but whats the difference between that and say Rodgers getting the big bucks and he gets hit alot more. Every player is in jeopardy when it comes to injury. So now i have to ask this what happens if Ted Thompson lets Jennings walk will he still get the praise for not over paying players or will you be pissed?

Good find btw Z we have alot of unknowns coming up and to be honest Ted Thompson scares me.
wils0646  
#4 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:02:35 PM(UTC)
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Ok well this could be an answer to one of the old questions, Why didn't we sign Randy Moss? As far as your comments NON you know i respect your views but you bring up the one play and boom the career is over aka Walker but whats the difference between that and say Rodgers getting the big bucks and he gets hit alot more. Every player is in jeopardy when it comes to injury. So now i have to ask this what happens if Ted Thompson lets Jennings walk will he still get the praise for not over paying players or will you be pissed?


I would be pissed. Jennings is the anti-JWalk with leadership skills and a rapport with AR.

I don't really like you comparing injuries at the QB position and WRs. WRs get injured way more often and have career ending injuries way more often. Think about it.
Nonstopdrivel  
#5 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:02:55 PM(UTC)
I thought of that myself, actually. Intuitively, however, I'd guess that if you calculated the mathematical odds of a career-ending injury shortly after signing a big contract for a quarterback versus a wide receiver, they're much lower for the quarterback. (How many quarterbacks do you see playing for 15 years compared to wide receivers?) I would be curious to see numbers backing this up or disproving it, but I wouldn't know how to go about finding them.
bozz_2006  
#6 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:07:13 PM(UTC)
easy or not, thompson will extend his contract. in my opinion, let greg walk will cause more fan unrest than trading favre.
wils0646  
#7 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:09:17 PM(UTC)
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easy or not, thompson will extend his contract. in my opinion, let greg walk will cause more fan unrest than trading favre.


True. I wouldn't like it one bit.
dhazer  
#8 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:12:45 PM(UTC)
I understand what you guys are saying but all in all it just takes one hit and the careers can change fast. Look at Carson Palmer, or even Tom Brady noone knows if they will ever be back to the good qbs they once were. It would be interesting to see if anyone could find out some of those stats. To be totally honest all the careers seem to be getting shorter and shorter in the nfl.

So there you go Wils you don't like me stating that well find the facts and show me the difference, Remember how many qbs have played since Brett started he throws the numbers out of wack along with manning. But yet you have guys like Owens and Bruce and they have played alot of years.

So good luck on finding some stats, BUTAFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE IT JUST TAKES ONE HIT FOR ANY PLAYER AND HIS CAREER COULD BE OVER.
bozz_2006  
#9 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:23:37 PM(UTC)
i don't think anyone's arguing with the statement that it only takes one hit, dhazer.
wils0646  
#10 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:24:05 PM(UTC)
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I understand what you guys are saying but all in all it just takes one hit and the careers can change fast. Look at Carson Palmer, or even Tom Brady noone knows if they will ever be back to the good qbs they once were. It would be interesting to see if anyone could find out some of those stats. To be totally honest all the careers seem to be getting shorter and shorter in the nfl.

So there you go Wils you don't like me stating that well find the facts and show me the difference, Remember how many qbs have played since Brett started he throws the numbers out of wack along with manning. But yet you have guys like Owens and Bruce and they have played alot of years.

So good luck on finding some stats, BUTAFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE IT JUST TAKES ONE HIT FOR ANY PLAYER AND HIS CAREER COULD BE OVER.


Of course all it takes is one hit. WR get hit on their lower extremeties/plus tackled harder much more than QBs do. They also run full speed almost every play.

The reason why Aaron Rodgers got paid so much is because the QB position is hard to fill with a franchise player. The QB position is also much more important than the WR position in terms of team success.

I really don't see how you can say QBs have a higher percentage of career ending injuries. I don't think it to be true and I wish I could find some statistics on it.
ILikeThePackers39  
#11 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:25:06 PM(UTC)
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So now i have to ask this what happens if Ted Thompson lets Jennings walk will he still get the praise for not over paying players or will you be pissed?



Pissed.
porky88  
#12 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:25:30 PM(UTC)
Losing Greg Jennings would be the last straw in my opinion to what has been a very up and down career as GM of the Packers for Ted Thompson.

Personally I think if he doesn't pay Greg Jennings then he needs to go. That simple in my opinion because it would show a stubborn man who refuses to actually make an exception to his golden philosophy of football.

With that said I think he will pay Greg Jennings and I disagree with that scout. Greg Jennings is special because he's just as much of a threat deep at he is short and that's rare in the NFL. I'm sorry, but you don't get that often and I think Thompson knows that. I think Jennings will make slightly more than Lee Evans.
bozz_2006  
#13 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:34:13 PM(UTC)
I was planning on saying the same thing as porky. I'm behind ted, but if he lets jennings walk, that might be the straw that breaks the camels back.

Sanders got fired because he was too rigid in his football philosophy. I hope Ted can see the lesson in that. And he's smart, so i think he can see that. but, if he doesn't sign jennings, i'll be very very very upset. pissed, you might say.
toronto_cheesehead  
#14 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:35:42 PM(UTC)
I'm fine with Ted Thompson drafting wideouts each year to fill the 2, 3, and 4 spots in the lineup, but number 1 wide receivers are worth their weight in gold. This isn't like investing in a running back who will break down shortly after signing his contract. Top receivers will play in the league well into their 30s, so Jennings is well worth the investment. Our other young wideouts like Jones and Nelson are replaceable parts, but Jennings is top 10 at the position and should be paid accordingly.
warhawk  
#15 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:38:27 PM(UTC)
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Losing Greg Jennings would be the last straw in my opinion to what has been a very up and down career as GM of the Packers for Ted Thompson.

Personally I think if he doesn't pay Greg Jennings then he needs to go. That simple in my opinion because it would show a stubborn man who refuses to actually make an exception to his golden philosophy of football.

With that said I think he will pay Greg Jennings and I disagree with that scout. Greg Jennings is special because he's just as much of a threat deep at he is short and that's rare in the NFL. I'm sorry, but you don't get that often and I think Thompson knows that. I think Jennings will make slightly more than Lee Evans.


A) Jennings is young and THE biggest threat we have on offense.

B) Ted Thompson cannot afford to let THE biggest threat we have on offense go.

C) Ted Thompson will sign THE biggest threat we have on offense.

He simply cannot afford to take the chance of losing productivity in the best area of the team. Passing offense. Any further backward steps and Ted Thompson will find the backward door.

He, along with Arod, Kampman, Woodson, are guys you sharpen pencils for. Ted Thompson knows his limits and has been proven to be generous with those he wants to keep around.
Yerko  
#16 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 4:40:22 PM(UTC)
It would be dumb not to get Greg back. I don't care how hard it is. He is our top receiver and to not resign him would definately piss me off. He is a not only a great receiver but an outstanding YOUNG leader.
Hard to find now-n-days.
He has also already stated it is not about the money...I don't take Greg as one to say something and not mean it.
pack_in_black  
#17 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 5:27:00 PM(UTC)
This is all based on assumption that Ted Thompson doesn't want to pay a WR. I don't think he's really had enough opportunity to establish a track record in that department. The JWalk situation was a huge Charlie Foxtrot. Tons more factors went into that trade, as we all know.

But I think it gets done. GJ has been an absolute gem since his first step onto the field, and his locker room presence is indisputable. We gotta lock him up.
Pack93z  
#18 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 5:33:28 PM(UTC)
What seems to be missing from this article, and I find it odd.

They seemed to forget that Ted re-inked Driver to a pretty sizable deal during his term.. kind of curtails the whole won't pay a WR. Granted not the same size of deal, but still a deal on a aging player with the needle on the career pointed more down than up.
shanks2122  
#19 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 5:35:24 PM(UTC)
aaron rodgers has a clause in his contract saying if they don't re-sign jennings then rodgers contract is void


that would be excellent but its not true
zombieslayer  
#20 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 5:48:20 PM(UTC)
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What seems to be missing from this article, and I find it odd.

They seemed to forget that Ted re-inked Driver to a pretty sizable deal during his term.. kind of curtails the whole won't pay a WR. Granted not the same size of deal, but still a deal on a aging player with the needle on the career pointed more down than up.


Good catch. I read this and was thinking the same thing..."wait, isn't Donald Driver a Wide Receiver?"
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