Green Bay Packers Forum

Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
3 Pages123>
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline TheEngineer  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:24:18 AM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense isn't merely taking out a linemen and putting in an extra LB. You need to train the existing players to play differently, and to draft and pick up players who are better at fitting the scheme. Luckily we have an excellent DC in DC (gee, wasn't he just built to be a defensive coordinator?) who shall make the transition a lot easier to bear.

So with all this talk of the Packers shifting to a 3-4 defense, how long do you think it will take the Packers to become a dominant force in this scheme? I would normally give it 3 years to get going, but McCarthy and Thompson are on the spot to produce a much improved 2009 showing. There may be a good chance the 3-4 conversion will be scrapped before it really takes flight. On the other hand, Capers and his staff may just be enough for the history books to remember 2008 as an aberration of an otherwise solid few years in Green Bay. Thoughts?
Offline all_about_da_packers  
#2 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:39:03 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member

Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 23
Applause Received: 144
I won't put a specific time frame on it, but I think it's not fair to expect immediate results.

The biggest thing going forward has to be getting the right personnel in here to run the scheme. That won't be a problem however, since Ted himself played in the 3-4 and our Director of Player Personnel Reggie McKenzie played under Dom Capers back in college (also the 3-4).

It'll take a year just to get the players familiar with the scheme, plays, concepts, etc. and I think in year 2 you'll see the players start to grow in the scheme.

I think it's fair to expect the Packers D to show its true colours in 3 years, after they've had a chance to get comfortable and the 3-4 scheme has been developed to suit the players on the roster. So three years would mean the 2011 season.
Offline tromadz  
#3 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:39:51 AM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

Joined: 10/16/2006(UTC)
Applause Given: 3
Applause Received: 34
It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

It's not as easy as flipping a switch, but it's not rocket science either. We'll be ready by opening day.
Offline all_about_da_packers  
#4 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:41:09 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member

Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 23
Applause Received: 144
" said: Go to Quoted Post
It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

It's not as easy as flipping a switch, but it's not rocket science either. We'll be ready by opening day.


Being ready, and excelling, are two different things though.

I don't doubt the Packers will be ready when the season starts. However, becoming an elite D isn't going to happen in a matter of months.
Offline tromadz  
#5 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:04:00 AM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

Joined: 10/16/2006(UTC)
Applause Given: 3
Applause Received: 34
We'll be ready...to excel.

You know what I meant.

You know who won't be ready? The other NFC North teams.
Offline all_about_da_packers  
#6 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:05:08 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member

Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 23
Applause Received: 144
I know exactly what you mean. I so want September to start right now!
Offline Since69  
#7 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:35:04 PM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

Joined: 11/2/2006(UTC)
Applause Given: 83
Applause Received: 83
I hate to be a wet blanket, but how long did it take us to "excel" in the 4-3?

The correct answer may be never...
Offline Bigbyfan  
#8 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:43:48 PM(UTC)
Rank: Member

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 80
Applause Received: 218
" said: Go to Quoted Post
I hate to be a wet blanket, but how long did it take us to "excel" in the 4-3?

The correct answer may be never...


Which is why we are switching to the 3-4....
Offline jbshell04  
#9 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:47:47 PM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

Joined: 1/12/2009(UTC)
As far as time length you will see it more pronounced by midseason. It will b important for the offense to put up points and alot of them./ That said I think you will see alot hybrid in the first year to use the current personnel we have
Offline warhawk  
#10 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:19:24 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member

Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 2
Applause Received: 281
" said: Go to Quoted Post
We'll be ready...to excel.

You know what I meant.

You know who won't be ready? The other NFC North teams.


I think the thing people need to realize is this is going to be a hybred 3-4 and Ted Thompson was quoted as saying we could have 4 down lineman as much as 50% of the time.

Capers challenge is no less than any other "D" Coordinator in devising a system that utilizes the strength of the players. He's had plenty of years experience doing just that.

It still boils down to football and tackling the guy with the ball and pressuring the QB. They talk about poor Kampman won't fit in this scheme and I just laugh. For one thing, when your moving guys around and bringing players from different spots it is much harder for the offense to know whats coming and double team or chip players off the edge.

Last year Kampman came from the same spot 98% of the time and most often had two bodies on him whereas this coming year that won't be the case. My guess is he has just as many sacks or more under Capers.
Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest
3 Pages123>
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error


Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (19h): haha
Zero2Cool (20h): Crap, another meeting! Ugh!
Zero2Cool (20h): Check in already! We waiting on YOU!!!
Pack93z (20h): YES :)
Pack93z (20h): --- KEVIN ----
Mucky Tundra (21h): of the Dead?
Zero2Cool (27-Jul): --- SHAWN ---
Cheesey (25-Jul): Me neither. He did virtually nothing after he left the Packers.
Zero2Cool (25-Jul): WR Greg Jennings retires. I think I should be surprised, but I'm not.
Cheesey (23-Jul): It's sad, he was young.
wpr (22-Jul): Sorry to hear about Dennis passing away.
Zero2Cool (22-Jul): Hopefully people respect his passing without trying to make jokes.
Zero2Cool (22-Jul): Damn, Dennis Green passed away.
Zero2Cool (22-Jul): Bahahahah
Smokey (16-Jul): Playing 2016 Fantasy Football ? NO ? Contact me to join the Tailgaters Fantasy Football League !
wpr (15-Jul): Happy birthday since69
Zero2Cool (15-Jul): Whoa!Today's Birthdays: Since69 (51)
Zero2Cool (15-Jul): No sir. But at work we had our A/C go out, not fun lol
Smokey (14-Jul): Did recent bad weather affect you Zero ? ie: loss of electricity ?
Zero2Cool (14-Jul): stay cool bud ... thats some hot crap there
Smokey (14-Jul): Heat Index 104* : Richmond , VA.
Zero2Cool (14-Jul): Richard Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers win ESPY for play of year!! Wohooo
Smokey (14-Jul): A.Rodgers wins ESPY for Hail Mary Play .
Smokey (14-Jul): The ESPY's are ON !
Cheesey (13-Jul): Yeah...stinky cheese, for sure!
yooperfan (12-Jul): Happy belated birthday Cheesey, may you have many more!
Zero2Cool (11-Jul): That be some old cheese yo!! lol
Cheesey (10-Jul): Porforis, I won't live THAT long!
Porforis (10-Jul): You'll live just long enough for the Vikings to win a super bowl. Thankfully, I think you're going to outlive all of us!
wpr (10-Jul): Hey Alanhope you have a great day.
Cheesey (10-Jul): Thanks guys. I'm 59 today. Never thought I'd live this long.
Smokey (9-Jul): MAY THE PACK BE WITH YOU !
Smokey (9-Jul): I did not know Cheesey , HAPPY BIRTHDAY !! \_/
Cheesey (9-Jul): Guess I'll have to wish myself a happy birthday.
wpr (1-Jul): Hey grabacr hope you had a fantastic day
Please sign in to use Fan Shout

Road To Super Bowl LI
Sunday, Sep 11 @ 12:00 PM
at Jaguars
Sunday, Sep 18 @ 7:30 PM
at Vikings
Sunday, Sep 25 @ 12:00 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Oct 2 @ 12:00 AM
BYE
Sunday, Oct 9 @ 7:30 PM
GIANTS
Sunday, Oct 16 @ 3:25 PM
COWBOYS
Thursday, Oct 20 @ 7:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Oct 30 @ 12:00 PM
at Falcons
Sunday, Nov 6 @ 3:25 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Nov 13 @ 12:00 PM
at Titans
Sunday, Nov 20 @ 7:30 PM
at Redskins
Monday, Nov 28 @ 7:30 PM
at Eagles
Sunday, Dec 4 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Dec 11 @ 3:25 PM
SEAHAWKS
Sunday, Dec 18 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Saturday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Jan 1 @ 12:00 PM
at Lions

Think About It
Think About It

Recent Topics
now / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

now / Fantasy Sports Talk / Pack93z

3m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

55m / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / musccy

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / steveishere

14h / Around The NFL / beast

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / musccy

26-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

26-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

26-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey


Packers Headlines