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Packnic  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:37:38 PM(UTC)
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Basically this thread confirms that it was a crap draft year. If they were coming out this year I'm not sure a name mentioned other than Beason even smells the first round.


I was waiting for that response.. no real true impact players beyond the top 15 other than Beason to date.

Solid contributing players for sure were around.. but none that have taken the NFL by storm.

Then look at James Jones numbers compared to TE and WR taken ahead of him.. not bad value eh.



so wouldn't this negate the "bust" label thats put on Justin? I mean if no one else around his area is making noise, and Justin proves to help even a little bit next year... I mean then you are still getting value for where you picked because the market was so low then. right?
pack_in_black  
#22 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:38:46 PM(UTC)
Dwayne Bowe. Can you imagine?

1. DD
2. GJ
3. Bowe
4. JJ/Jordy (only one would've been added if we had picked Bowe..)


That's three WRs who could arguably be #1s for alot of teams. Yowza.
zombieslayer  
#23 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:47:31 PM(UTC)
Greg Olson's receiving stats in '08: 54 receptions for 574 yards and five touchdowns.

Donald Lee's receiving stats in '08: 39 receptions for 303 yards and five TDs.

OK, anyone who says da Bears have a better QB than we do, you need to stop smoking crack immediately.

Olson contributes. Bustin sits on a bench. I've always loved it when we had a twin-TE attack. Remember '95 and '96 with both Chmura and Jackson being good? Imagine if Aaron had Greg Olson and Donald Lee. Would give opposing Ds nightmares. Now imagine playing Madden with Gregorious, Driver, Lee, and Olson the field at the same time.
go.pack.go.  
#24 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:54:15 PM(UTC)
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OK, anyone who says da Bears have a better QB than we do, you need to stop smoking crack immediately.


Ok, I hope you know that I wasn't saying that the bears' quarterbacks are better than Rodgers...I was saying that Olsen wasn't doing great, because of their QBs. It's not the complete problem, but a huge contributer.
porky88  
#25 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:56:38 PM(UTC)
Reggie Nelson, Ben Grubbs, Greg Olsen, and Jon Beason all look pretty good. Aaron Ross too.

Knowing what we know now though LarMarr Woodley would look pretty good in green and gold considering the move to the 3-4.

I wanted Marshawn Lynch at the time, but he wasn't there so my No. 2 would have been Greg Olsen and I think he'd be the pick right now. Considering he had 54 catches on the Bears offense makes him a little undervalued.
zombieslayer  
#26 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:00:13 PM(UTC)
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OK, anyone who says da Bears have a better QB than we do, you need to stop smoking crack immediately.


Ok, I hope you know that I wasn't saying that the bears' quarterbacks are better than Rodgers...I was saying that Olsen wasn't doing great, because of their QBs. It's not the complete problem, but a huge contributer.


Oh no. I was adding to what you were saying. Believe me, I knew what you meant.
bakler5  
#27 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:01:12 PM(UTC)
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OK, anyone who says da Bears have a better QB than we do, you need to stop smoking crack immediately.


Ok, I hope you know that I wasn't saying that the bears' quarterbacks are better than Rodgers...I was saying that Olsen wasn't doing great, because of their QBs. It's not the complete problem, but a huge contributer.


Oh no. I was adding to what you were saying. Believe me, I knew what you meant.


I didn't see anyone write anything about how good the Bear QB is? Maybe I am confused here.
zombieslayer  
#28 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:01:26 PM(UTC)
Go - Whoops. I hit the send button too fast.

Yes, had Olson had a REAL Quarterback throwing to him, his stats would be much better. I think that's what you meant and that's what I was trying to say too.
zombieslayer  
#29 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:02:53 PM(UTC)
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I didn't see anyone write anything about how good the Bear QB is? Maybe I am confused here.


Never mind. I was just trying to make a joke slamming how bad the Bears' QBs are. It's leftover hatred on my part from losing a lot of money on the SB a few years back, but also adding to what Go implied - had Olson had a REAL QB throwing to him, his stats would be much better.
go.pack.go.  
#30 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:10:46 PM(UTC)
Ok, ZS, I just wanted to make sure you knew what I was talking about. :)
blueleopard  
#31 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:38:07 PM(UTC)
Reggie Nelson.
JNelson87  
#32 Posted : Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:21:31 AM(UTC)
Aaron Ross.
MassPackersFan  
#33 Posted : Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:59:04 AM(UTC)
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Reggie Nelson, Ben Grubbs, Greg Olsen, and Jon Beason all look pretty good. Aaron Ross too.

Knowing what we know now though LarMarr Woodley would look pretty good in green and gold considering the move to the 3-4.

I wanted Marshawn Lynch at the time, but he wasn't there so my No. 2 would have been Greg Olsen and I think he'd be the pick right now. Considering he had 54 catches on the Bears offense makes him a little undervalued.


I don't really buy that argument. They had crap for WR's so the TE becomes the easy/go-to pass.

Greg Olsen in 2008: 574 yards, 5 TD's
Desmond Clarke in 2007: 545 yards, 4 TD's
Desmond Clarke in 2006: 626 yards, 6 TD's

That position on the Bears will yield those numbers. Olsen is just a warm body on the football field. Obviously a better pick than Harrell if Harrell never gets ON the field, but if he does and contributes even a little bit, it's at the very worst a draw.
dhpackr  
#34 Posted : Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:13:28 PM(UTC)
Greg Olsen, DD is THE ONLY threat we have over the middle of the field for the past 7 seasons.
go.pack.go.  
#35 Posted : Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:16:10 PM(UTC)
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Greg Olsen, DD is THE ONLY threat we have over the middle of the field for the past 7 seasons.


Is Donald Lee not good enough for the middle or something? He's pretty big and from what I've seen, he's not afraid to do it.
dhpackr  
#36 Posted : Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:19:56 PM(UTC)
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Greg Olsen, DD is THE ONLY threat we have over the middle of the field for the past 7 seasons.


Is Donald Lee not good enough for the middle or something? He's pretty big and from what I've seen, he's not afraid to do it.


No, Donald Lee is not good enough, not even close. His stats are terrible over the last few years.
go.pack.go.  
#37 Posted : Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:23:18 PM(UTC)
He just needs to be thrown to more often. Stats don't dictate whether or not you are good over the middle...I agree though, DD is our best over the middle receiver we've had in a long time, but I think Donald Lee can do it as well. Also, I don't think Jordy or Greg would be afraid to do it, you just haven't seen it yet BECAUSE of DD doing it FOR them.
dhpackr  
#38 Posted : Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:27:02 PM(UTC)
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He just needs to be thrown to more often. Stats don't dictate whether or not you are good over the middle...I agree though, DD is our best over the middle receiver we've had in a long time, but I think Donald Lee can do it as well. Also, I don't think Jordy or Greg would be afraid to do it, you just haven't seen it yet BECAUSE of DD doing it FOR them.


well I think Donald Lee's time has past. He will see even less playing time in '09 because J. Finley is going to have a breakout season.
millertime  
#39 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:30:15 PM(UTC)
I liked Dwayne Bowe and Leon Hall back then. Olson seemed like his stock rose too much (3rd round to 1st round) because of his great 40 time. I also thought Alan Branch was a better prospect than Harrell. Both look like busts now.

Hindsight being 20-20, I think that LaMarr Woodley OLB/DE would be the best fit for our team right now. He has been a beast for Pittsburgh, but then again everyone on that defense is a beast. Ryan Harris, the tackle for Denver has also developed into a good player.
millertime  
#40 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:31:44 PM(UTC)
James Jones will go across the middle. Remember the Bengals preseason game where his helmet got knocked off and he still scored???
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