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Offline longtimefan  
#1 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 3:37:55 PM(UTC)
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So it happens to the Bucs and people dont blame their GM, but happens to the Packers and its all Teds fault

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About a week or more into training camp last season, Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden went to bed with visions of regular-season touchdown passes dancing in his head.

He woke up the next day to discover nothing had changed . . . .

Jeff Garcia and Brian Griese were still his guys.

Gruden thought his quarterback for the 2008 season was going to be none other than Brett Favre. But the Green Bay Packers decided to trade Favre to the New York Jets.

"I talked to Brett on the telephone," Gruden said Wednesday during a conference call with reporters. "I think if you talk to Brett yourself - both of us thought he was coming to Tampa. I went to bed about 20 minutes after 12 or 12:30 (a.m.) thinking we had Brett Favre. I was sure we had Brett Favre.

"When I woke up the next day, Santa Claus didn't arrive. It was a sad day for me."

This season, Gruden is an analyst on ESPN's "Monday Night Football," working with Mike Tirico and Ron Jaworski.

"My understanding was we had it done," Gruden said. "(Tampa Bay general manager) Bruce Allen was working with Ted Thompson in terms of the compensation. And I really don't think any of us knew there was another partner that was willing to get involved at that point. So I think we were both thrown a curve ball. Both of us, Brett and I, thought we were going to get the deal done. There was another partner that developed later that evening, somewhere across the next seven or eight hours."
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#2 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 3:43:02 PM(UTC)
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Wow......"Randy Moss" all over!
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#3 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:30:39 PM(UTC)
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So it happens to the Bucs and people dont blame their GM, but happens to the Packers and its all Teds fault

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About a week or more into training camp last season, Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden went to bed with visions of regular-season touchdown passes dancing in his head.

He woke up the next day to discover nothing had changed . . . .

Jeff Garcia and Brian Griese were still his guys.

Gruden thought his quarterback for the 2008 season was going to be none other than Brett Favre. But the Green Bay Packers decided to trade Favre to the New York Jets.

"I talked to Brett on the telephone," Gruden said Wednesday during a conference call with reporters. "I think if you talk to Brett yourself - both of us thought he was coming to Tampa. I went to bed about 20 minutes after 12 or 12:30 (a.m.) thinking we had Brett Favre. I was sure we had Brett Favre.

"When I woke up the next day, Santa Claus didn't arrive. It was a sad day for me."

This season, Gruden is an analyst on ESPN's "Monday Night Football," working with Mike Tirico and Ron Jaworski.

"My understanding was we had it done," Gruden said. "(Tampa Bay general manager) Bruce Allen was working with Ted Thompson in terms of the compensation. And I really don't think any of us knew there was another partner that was willing to get involved at that point. So I think we were both thrown a curve ball. Both of us, Brett and I, thought we were going to get the deal done. There was another partner that developed later that evening, somewhere across the next seven or eight hours."


The Bucs GM didn't have the authority to trade Favre away.. Teddy Thompson did. Now, yeah, Bruce Allen dropped the ball a bit too, but ultimately Thompson was in the drivers seat. That's why he gets the 'blame' in some eyes..
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#4 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:42:03 PM(UTC)
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Trade Favre to a Week 4 opponent OR Trade him to a team you won't play in a few years?

Favre was/is pissed at the Packers. With that motivation, you don't want to go against him.

Yeah, TOUGH decision.

The 'blame' ... please. Go back to sniffy sniffy Favre crotchy crotchy you purple hypocrite! ha, ha HAAAAAAAAAA
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#5 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:23:00 PM(UTC)
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Trade Favre to a Week 4 opponent OR Trade him to a team you won't play in a few years?

Favre was/is pissed at the Packers. With that motivation, you don't want to go against him.

Yeah, TOUGH decision.

The 'blame' ... please. Go back to sniffy sniffy Favre crotchy crotchy you purple hypocrite! ha, ha HAAAAAAAAAA


You talking to LTF? Cause, uhhh.. Last I checked, I didn't bring up the blame game.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:32:04 PM(UTC)
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i hate it when i go to bed thinking the guy's a pirate & he's not. MEN!! ;)
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#7 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:53:22 PM(UTC)
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i hate it when i go to bed thinking the guy's a pirate & he's not. MEN!! ;)


LOL

What kind of pirate are we talkin' about here? Butt pirate?!

That's TOO MUCH information!! lol
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#8 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:56:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Trade Favre to a Week 4 opponent OR Trade him to a team you won't play in a few years?

Favre was/is pissed at the Packers. With that motivation, you don't want to go against him.

Yeah, TOUGH decision.

The 'blame' ... please. Go back to sniffy sniffy Favre crotchy crotchy you purple hypocrite! ha, ha HAAAAAAAAAA


You talking to LTF? Cause, uhhh.. Last I checked, I didn't bring up the blame game.


Typical Vikings fan, see only what you want and ignore the rest. You had mentioned "blame" in your post.

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
The Bucs GM didn't have the authority to trade Favre away.. Teddy Thompson did. Now, yeah, Bruce Allen dropped the ball a bit too, but ultimately Thompson was in the drivers seat. That's why he gets the '[size=28]blame[/size]' in some eyes..


See it now?
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#9 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:17:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Trade Favre to a Week 4 opponent OR Trade him to a team you won't play in a few years?

Favre was/is pissed at the Packers. With that motivation, you don't want to go against him.

Yeah, TOUGH decision.

The 'blame' ... please. Go back to sniffy sniffy Favre crotchy crotchy you purple hypocrite! ha, ha HAAAAAAAAAA


You talking to LTF? Cause, uhhh.. Last I checked, I didn't bring up the blame game.


Actually my comment was in reference to Randy moss debacle.

Farve supporters blamed Ted on it ENTIRELY

Now that it happened to the gm of the Bucs the EXACT same thing, it isnt Allens fault it still is Ted's

I tell ya the Favre supporters are such hypocrites it is just unbelievable
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#10 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:05:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Trade Favre to a Week 4 opponent OR Trade him to a team you won't play in a few years?

Favre was/is pissed at the Packers. With that motivation, you don't want to go against him.

Yeah, TOUGH decision.

The 'blame' ... please. Go back to sniffy sniffy Favre crotchy crotchy you purple hypocrite! ha, ha HAAAAAAAAAA


You talking to LTF? Cause, uhhh.. Last I checked, I didn't bring up the blame game.


Actually my comment was in reference to Randy moss debacle.

Farve supporters blamed Ted on it ENTIRELY

Now that it happened to the gm of the Bucs the EXACT same thing, it isnt Allens fault it still is Ted's

I tell ya the Favre supporters are such hypocrites it is just unbelievable




Why is it people seem to forget that Moss was a FA the following year and Moss had made statements that he wouldn't play for the Packers and Ted Thompson but thats ok we understand you Ted Thompson crotch sniffers don't want to remember that part :P
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#11 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:11:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Trade Favre to a Week 4 opponent OR Trade him to a team you won't play in a few years?

Favre was/is pissed at the Packers. With that motivation, you don't want to go against him.

Yeah, TOUGH decision.

The 'blame' ... please. Go back to sniffy sniffy Favre crotchy crotchy you purple hypocrite! ha, ha HAAAAAAAAAA


You talking to LTF? Cause, uhhh.. Last I checked, I didn't bring up the blame game.


Actually my comment was in reference to Randy moss debacle.

Farve supporters blamed Ted on it ENTIRELY

Now that it happened to the gm of the Bucs the EXACT same thing, it isnt Allens fault it still is Ted's

I tell ya the Favre supporters are such hypocrites it is just unbelievable




Why is it people seem to forget that Moss was a FA the following year and Moss had made statements that he wouldn't play for the Packers and Ted Thompson but thats ok we understand you Ted Thompson crotch sniffers don't want to remember that part :P


Because this article is not about a free agent it is about trading for a player and one team thought it was a done deal and another team stepped in and said no... we got him..

So what does your statement have to do with it other than your trying to be a dick?
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#12 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:16:58 PM(UTC)
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There was no way in hell Ted Thompson was going to trade Lord Favre to anyone in the NFC and for damn sure trade him to one of the opponents during the season we all knew this. So them thinking he was going to Tampa were as Gruden said waiting for Santa Clause.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:30:06 PM(UTC)
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lol dhazer ... bringing the funneh again






Anyhow, let's try to go with more facts as facts instead of opinion as facts.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:33:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
There was no way in hell Ted Thompson was going to trade Lord Favre to anyone in the NFC and for damn sure trade him to one of the opponents during the season we all knew this. So them thinking he was going to Tampa were as Gruden said waiting for Santa Clause.


Then tell that to Jon and Paul Allen..

I know before the trade I was talking to a relative of Bretts ( and not the pilot) nephew of Bretts mother..

I think I posted the info he had..there was a conference call and terms of a trade were talked and agreed on..Chris Simms and a 3rd rounder for Brett

So dont sit there and say we all know Ted wouldnt do it, cuz he was going to until Jets came in..

Then yes Mike McCarthy and Ted decided it was best to shop him where they wouldnt have to play him

It was a smart move
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#15 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:38:05 PM(UTC)
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the Jets coming in was late and surprising. the packers moved swiftly on it so fast that they DIDNT EVEN TELL BRETT. (which i think they should have been the ones to tell brett, not stupid fuck espn)
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#16 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 1:06:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Trade Favre to a Week 4 opponent OR Trade him to a team you won't play in a few years?

Favre was/is pissed at the Packers. With that motivation, you don't want to go against him.

Yeah, TOUGH decision.

The 'blame' ... please. Go back to sniffy sniffy Favre crotchy crotchy you purple hypocrite! ha, ha HAAAAAAAAAA


You talking to LTF? Cause, uhhh.. Last I checked, I didn't bring up the blame game.


Typical Vikings fan, see only what you want and ignore the rest. You had mentioned "blame" in your post.

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
The Bucs GM didn't have the authority to trade Favre away.. Teddy Thompson did. Now, yeah, Bruce Allen dropped the ball a bit too, but ultimately Thompson was in the drivers seat. That's why he gets the '[size=28]blame[/size]' in some eyes..


See it now?


No shit, Sherlock. Great detective work. That doesn't mean I was the one who brought it up, even though I mentioned it.

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
So it happens to the Bucs and people dont blame their GM, but happens to the Packers and its all Teds fault


The original post. He mentions how people blame Teddy, but not Bruce. I just commented on it. Pretty innocently, actually. Read my first post again..

And LTF, I misunderstood your post.. I didn't know you were drawing a comparison to Moss. My bad.
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#17 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 2:10:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Trade Favre to a Week 4 opponent OR Trade him to a team you won't play in a few years?

Favre was/is pissed at the Packers. With that motivation, you don't want to go against him.

Yeah, TOUGH decision.

The 'blame' ... please. Go back to sniffy sniffy Favre crotchy crotchy you purple hypocrite! ha, ha HAAAAAAAAAA


You talking to LTF? Cause, uhhh.. Last I checked, I didn't bring up the blame game.


Typical Vikings fan, see only what you want and ignore the rest. You had mentioned "blame" in your post.

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
The Bucs GM didn't have the authority to trade Favre away.. Teddy Thompson did. Now, yeah, Bruce Allen dropped the ball a bit too, but ultimately Thompson was in the drivers seat. That's why he gets the '[size=28]blame[/size]' in some eyes..


See it now?


No shit, Sherlock. Great detective work. That doesn't mean I was the one who brought it up, even though I mentioned it.

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
So it happens to the Bucs and people dont blame their GM, but happens to the Packers and its all Teds fault


The original post. He mentions how people blame Teddy, but not Bruce. I just commented on it. Pretty innocently, actually. Read my first post again..

And LTF, I misunderstood your post.. I didn't know you were drawing a comparison to Moss. My bad.


NP bud!!!


I am used to Viking fans being wrong :thumbleft:
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#18 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 8:54:52 AM(UTC)
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i hate it when i go to bed thinking the guy's a pirate & he's not. MEN!! ;)


LOL

What kind of pirate are we talkin' about here? Butt pirate?!

That's TOO MUCH information!! lol


heh...just my attempt at trying to lighten millionth topic about crap that has no impact on the packers whatsoever. i know nothin about this butt pirating dealy gig you're talkin about - perhaps you can enlighten us with your vast knowledge on said subject!
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#19 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 11:23:07 AM(UTC)
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Foster... I need to borrow your freaking hammer... Ugh.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#20 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 12:06:14 PM(UTC)
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Beaten horse or not, it's Favre/Vikings and Packers week. This is one of the rare times it's merited to discuss it. And I'm interested in hearing peoples thoughts and opinions on this matter, again. Now, sticking with the freaking topic. (which is hard cuz I have so many off topic comments, but I try to stick to common rules hah )

I can't recall who did the interview but I remember Brett was saying he thought it was a done deal that he was going to be a Buccaneer. Then he seen it on an ESPN ticker that he was traded to the Jets. He mentioned he wasn't thrilled with it, but didn't want to cause anymore of a circus and just rolled with it.

From what I've seen disclosed. We could have had a 3rd and Chris Sims from the Bucs and had to face him once the following year. We ended up getting a 3rd from the Jets and we were supposed to give a 7th but I heard that was abolished. So we would have gained a Chris Sims and had to play against him? I think I'd rather have had him go to the Bucs. Maybe after the Bucs beat us, he'd have just retired and been done with it?
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#21 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 12:38:37 PM(UTC)
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Beaten horse or not, it's Favre/Vikings and Packers week. This is one of the rare times it's merited to discuss it. And I'm interested in hearing peoples thoughts and opinions on this matter, again. Now, sticking with the freaking topic. (which is hard cuz I have so many off topic comments, but I try to stick to common rules hah )


How is any comments towards this off topic?

Simply looking for relevance of this angle?

How in the hell is this relevant to the upcoming game this weekend, Gruden thinking the Bucs had acquired Brett?

In my opinion it doesn't.

Brett being traded to the Jets and in his opinion being "shown" the door in Green Bay does to a point.

The Packers players finally releasing some steam for all the Favre drama last year plays into it.

But I fail to see the relevance of this.. IMO; it was a thread designed to stir up the Thompson haters and fuel another round of I told you so's and your full of caca statements.

And I voiced in a round about way that opinion..
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#22 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 6:59:13 PM(UTC)
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i hate it when i go to bed thinking the guy's a pirate & he's not. MEN!! ;)


LOL

What kind of pirate are we talkin' about here? Butt pirate?!

That's TOO MUCH information!! lol


heh...just my attempt at trying to lighten millionth topic about crap that has no impact on the packers whatsoever. i know nothin about this butt pirating dealy gig you're talkin about - perhaps you can enlighten us with your vast knowledge on said subject!


lol Leave my pirated butt alone. =P
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Who'd want to download your butt, Formo? Or upload it for that matter? It's way too low bitrate to be worth bothering with. :P
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