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Offline Rockmolder  
#1 Posted : Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:00:30 PM(UTC)
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From a chat with Vikings beat writer Chip Scoggins.

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Chip Scoggins: Favre said after the game that this might be the best team he's ever played on. Obviously it's still early, but you can see he has developed a nice rhythm with all his receivers. The throw down the sideline to Rice was a good example. He placed that perfectly on his back hip/shoulder.


This might be somewhat standard with Favre, but it just really struck me the wrong way. If I recall correctly, he played on some team with Reggie White, Desmond Howard etc. One of the best defenses in recent history combined with one of the best offensen and an amazing special teams unit and he goes out and makes a statement like this.

I don't mean for this to turn into a Brett Favre bash thread (Although seen the history of these threads, it'll be just that soon enough), but this is either very stupid, or he's really messing with this GB fans.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:35:30 PM(UTC)
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I wouldn't argue that statement too much. Packers never had a RB like Peterson. They have WR that can get open because of the attention to Peterson. They've had a great run defense for a long time now.

So, for the Vikings QB to say that, well, I don't much argue. The only thing they lack is coaching staff, but when you have that talent, even a bozo can coach it to win games.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:47:25 PM(UTC)
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My point is that this is damn right near disrespectfull. Our 1996 SB team had a better O-line, a better overall defense and better receivers. He now has a better RB and he crowns them the best team he's ever played with?

Does that mean that Jared Allen is as as good as Reggie White? Pat Williams is as good as Gilbert Brown? Visanthe Shiancoe is as good as Mark Chmura? Doug Evans, Leroy Butler, you get my point. Or does he make this statement based on Peterson alone?

I asume he didn't take in account the coaching staff, because Chilly can't touch Holmgren, Frazier's great, but no Shurmur and Bevell has a lot of work to do to be compared with Lewis.
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#4 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 1:22:00 AM(UTC)
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Packers of 96 would put it too this team IMO.

The 90's and 70's were the best of the best. No doubt about it IMO. This decade has seen a drop of in talent, although you can start to tell that the next decade is probably going to be really good especially the level of play you see at the college level.

My point is the Vikings look great, but at the sametime, they aren't playing the 49ers, Cowboys, Broncos, Chiefs. They aren't defending Barry Sanders, Emmit Smith, or Steve Young and etc....

Favre will say things just to give a little confidence to his team. Like remember when he said in 06 about that team being the most talented he ever played on. He was full of crap and he knew that.

Now with that said do I think he believes that this is the best team he's played on? I do because this is the best team he's played on of most recently. I think it's probably fourth.

Although if you take Favre in his prime and put him on that team (Minnesota), then it's pretty close. Top three. Green Bay's coaching was phenomenal in the 90's and like the post above says, Minnesota's can't even touch it.
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#5 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 11:48:45 AM(UTC)
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The 96 and 97 Packers teams were better than this Vikes team and possibly the 1995 packers. Other than that, I think Bretts right. They're balanced and consistent. I looked for a let down this week vs the Rams but it didn't happen. Shows maturity to me. This team should win 12 - 14 games depending on injuries and get home field. Brett isn't making the big mistakes like he did when he was younger so they should be in every game and I dont see a team that is much better than them if at all.
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#6 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 12:07:55 PM(UTC)
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Favre cannot win.

How do we know that he didn't just say that to give the young guys like Sydney Rice, Percy Harvin, Adrian Peterson, etc. some confidence? How do we know this wasn't a tactic of a guy who's been around the league for a while and using his leadership skills?

You don't think its going to help guys that have been in the league 1-3 years to hear "Favre thinks this team is as talented as the 1996 GB Packers".

I would bet a lot on Reggie White coming up to Favre at some point during 1995 or 1996 and telling him "your one or if not the best I've ever seen and I've seen Montana, etc". Why wouldn't you, it would mean a lot coming from a guy like Reggie White.
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#7 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 12:13:20 PM(UTC)
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You're expecting sympathy for him right now, RedSoxExcel?

That's cute.
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#8 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 12:29:55 PM(UTC)
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if he is saying it to give the guys confidence, is he being honest or lying about it?
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#9 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 12:32:10 PM(UTC)
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He said the same thing about the 2007 Packers. Its no big deal.
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#10 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 12:48:42 PM(UTC)
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He said the same thing about the 2007 Packers. Its no big deal.


He recently said he was right about the '07 team too.
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#11 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 12:51:28 PM(UTC)
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He said the same thing about the 2007 Packers. Its no big deal.


Exactly, how many people were up in arms then saying "thats disrespectful to the 1996 Packers". If you did, then yes, you should complain about this too. But I bet most people thought it was a good move to try to give them some confidence.
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#12 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 1:03:31 PM(UTC)
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He said the same thing about the 2007 Packers. Its no big deal.


Exactly, how many people were up in arms then saying "thats disrespectful to the 1996 Packers". If you did, then yes, you should complain about this too. But I bet most people thought it was a good move to try to give them some confidence.


I wasn't into football back them. At least, not like I am now, but I would've found that disrespectfull, as well.

Big difference here is that he has to know himself that this is like throwing salt into the Packers fans wounds, playing for the Vikings and all. The man is not utterly retarded. He knows what kind of impact this could make.
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#13 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 5:44:33 PM(UTC)
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2006: Favre sees 'most talented' Packers team of his tenure - ""I really feel like this is, as far as talent is concerned, the most talented team that I've been a part of as a whole," Favre said Monday morning."

2009: Favre: "This is the best team I've ever been on" - I think physically and from a talent level, this is the best team Ive ever been on, Favre told reporters in the postgame.

1999: Nov. 7, 1999: Bears 14, Packers 13
- "We have really great talent in this offense, and great talent on this team.

2008: Brett Favre To New York Jets - "He's convincing," Favre said, drawing a smile from Tannenbaum. "I know this team had a lot of talent."

2004: Favre's Exemplary Journey - "Talent-wise, we're as talented as any team in the league," Favre said. "We're as talented as the '96 Super Bowl team"

Hello people it's a fucking catchphrase. He's the QB of the team, therefore the leader which means he's trying to keep his team pumped after a 5-0 start to the season because--as he knows all too well--a team can derail at any second. People are blowing this all out of proportion too. Obviously the best team he was on was 1997-1998 because they won the fucking Super Bowl, which is a hands-down "you are the best team in the league" trophy.
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#14 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 6:02:08 PM(UTC)
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lol nice find!

Again I state this.

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Offline MassPackersFan  
#15 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 6:49:32 PM(UTC)
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That's pretty sad, if we turned in as poor of a performance as we did and lost by 7 to the best team the old man has ever played on.

Just goes along with my theory that this is a doppleganger and all that's left of our HOF quarterback is a pile of digested goo lying on a forest floor somewhere.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:58:07 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
2006: Favre sees 'most talented' Packers team of his tenure - ""I really feel like this is, as far as talent is concerned, the most talented team that I've been a part of as a whole," Favre said Monday morning."

2009: Favre: "This is the best team I've ever been on" - I think physically and from a talent level, this is the best team Ive ever been on, Favre told reporters in the postgame.

1999: Nov. 7, 1999: Bears 14, Packers 13
- "We have really great talent in this offense, and great talent on this team.

2008: Brett Favre To New York Jets - "He's convincing," Favre said, drawing a smile from Tannenbaum. "I know this team had a lot of talent."

2004: Favre's Exemplary Journey - "Talent-wise, we're as talented as any team in the league," Favre said. "We're as talented as the '96 Super Bowl team"

Hello people it's a fucking catchphrase. He's the QB of the team, therefore the leader which means he's trying to keep his team pumped after a 5-0 start to the season because--as he knows all too well--a team can derail at any second. People are blowing this all out of proportion too. Obviously the best team he was on was 1997-1998 because they won the fucking Super Bowl, which is a hands-down "you are the best team in the league" trophy.


I think he meant every word at the time he said all of that. Why would he doubt his own abilities as well as his teams? Favre has always talked in the present and not the past. When all said and done, the 96 Packers will go down as his best team and he'll probably know that when that time comes. Until that day though, Favre will continue to say what he says as well as look forward. He thinks big.

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#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:28:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
2006: Favre sees 'most talented' Packers team of his tenure - ""I really feel like this is, as far as talent is concerned, the most talented team that I've been a part of as a whole," Favre said Monday morning."

2009: Favre: "This is the best team I've ever been on" - I think physically and from a talent level, this is the best team Ive ever been on, Favre told reporters in the postgame.

1999: Nov. 7, 1999: Bears 14, Packers 13
- "We have really great talent in this offense, and great talent on this team.

2008: Brett Favre To New York Jets - "He's convincing," Favre said, drawing a smile from Tannenbaum. "I know this team had a lot of talent."

2004: Favre's Exemplary Journey - "Talent-wise, we're as talented as any team in the league," Favre said. "We're as talented as the '96 Super Bowl team"

Hello people it's a fucking catchphrase. He's the QB of the team, therefore the leader which means he's trying to keep his team pumped after a 5-0 start to the season because--as he knows all too well--a team can derail at any second. People are blowing this all out of proportion too. Obviously the best team he was on was 1997-1998 because they won the fucking Super Bowl, which is a hands-down "you are the best team in the league" trophy.


I think we overanalyze Favres words way too much. You could find 40 players who say that every year but nobody cares because theyre not Brett Favre.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:32:08 AM(UTC)
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That's pretty sad, if we turned in as poor of a performance as we did and lost by 7 to the best team the old man has ever played on.

Just goes along with my theory that this is a doppleganger and all that's left of our HOF quarterback is a pile of digested goo lying on a forest floor somewhere.


Poor performance? Hate to burst your bubble but I think the Packers played as well as they can possibly play vs the Vikings. Held AP to 55 yards. Returned a gift fumble for a TD. Rodgers had almost 400 yards. Prepare yourself, the Packers will get blowed out(as Emmit Smith would say) the next time.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:29:28 PM(UTC)
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That's pretty sad, if we turned in as poor of a performance as we did and lost by 7 to the best team the old man has ever played on.

Just goes along with my theory that this is a doppleganger and all that's left of our HOF quarterback is a pile of digested goo lying on a forest floor somewhere.


Poor performance? Hate to burst your bubble but I think the Packers played as well as they can possibly play vs the Vikings. Held AP to 55 yards. Returned a gift fumble for a TD. Rodgers had almost 400 yards. Prepare yourself, the Packers will get blowed out(as Emmit Smith would say) the next time.

6 first half penalties. Two drives at the start of the game in Vikings territory ending on takeaways. A dropped pass on 4th-and-goal in the end zone. Only losing by 7 points. Somehow I fail to grasp this "blowed out" you're referring too.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:31:43 PM(UTC)
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That's pretty sad, if we turned in as poor of a performance as we did and lost by 7 to the best team the old man has ever played on.

Just goes along with my theory that this is a doppleganger and all that's left of our HOF quarterback is a pile of digested goo lying on a forest floor somewhere.


Poor performance? Hate to burst your bubble but I think the Packers played as well as they can possibly play vs the Vikings. Held AP to 55 yards. Returned a gift fumble for a TD. Rodgers had almost 400 yards. Prepare yourself, the Packers will get blowed out(as Emmit Smith would say) the next time.


Dropped a short TD pass. Surrendered two fumbles (which are largely considered unpredictable i.e. "luck"). Played without our starting LT and LG all of the game, and our backup LT about half of the game. Playing with our worst pickup of the year at SS, who was continuously out of position in his 2nd game on the field for us. Penalties galore.

Yeah, we performed very poorly. I'm surprised you are actually arguing with me on this. You think we played well? Back it up. All you're doing now is talking shit (gonna get blowed out).
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:02:37 PM(UTC)
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Who cares what he says? I don't.
What do people expect him to say? "The Vikings suck"???
Geez.
It's another non story.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:59:39 AM(UTC)
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That's pretty sad, if we turned in as poor of a performance as we did and lost by 7 to the best team the old man has ever played on.

Just goes along with my theory that this is a doppleganger and all that's left of our HOF quarterback is a pile of digested goo lying on a forest floor somewhere.


Poor performance? Hate to burst your bubble but I think the Packers played as well as they can possibly play vs the Vikings. Held AP to 55 yards. Returned a gift fumble for a TD. Rodgers had almost 400 yards. Prepare yourself, the Packers will get blowed out(as Emmit Smith would say) the next time.


Dropped a short TD pass. Surrendered two fumbles (which are largely considered unpredictable i.e. "luck"). Played without our starting LT and LG all of the game, and our backup LT about half of the game. Playing with our worst pickup of the year at SS, who was continuously out of position in his 2nd game on the field for us. Penalties galore.

Yeah, we performed very poorly. I'm surprised you are actually arguing with me on this. You think we played well? Back it up. All you're doing now is talking shit (gonna get blowed out).


I guess if you ignore my facts, i should ignore yours.

Held Peterson to 55 yards. NOT gonna happen again.

Fluke fumble return for a touchdown by Clay Matthews. NOT gonna happen again

Rodgers throws for 400 yards, though much of it in garbage time. NOT gonna happen again.

Yea, the Packers o-line was crap last week. Guess what, it was crap the first 3 games too and it will be crap the next time the two teams play. Guess what, guys who can block Jared Allen dont fall off of trees. You have to draft first rounders or spend big money in free agency. You cant just pick up a veteran or two for the minimum and draft some 3rd, 4th & 6th rounders and expect them to have the talent to keep up with Jared Allen. Maybe next year.

I think Rodgers and the Packer offense played out of their minds last week and it should be a 15+ margin next time.

You say "dropped short TD pass" but it was definitely a bad pass by Rodgers. Bad pass doesnt mean you got unlucky. It was a bad pass.

you say "surrendered 2 fumbles" but what about the fact that the Vikings were about to bust the game wide open till Peterson hands the ball off to Matthews and he scores a TD right there?

If all it takes if for one strong safety to be out to destroy the Packers defense, we have bigger problems than I can imagine. If the coaches dont realize this and adjust, wtf are they there for? Harris is a one on one, bump and run corner. Why is he playing zone with an inexperienced ss out there against a guy who has made zone defense his bitch over and over and over again(Favre)

"Pelaties" as Emmit Smith would say are a part of the game. I saw no key "pelaties" that effected the outcome. I know you will bring it up so i'll just say that Woodsons pick got called back because he interfered with the receiver.

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#23 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:02:20 PM(UTC)
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I'm not "ignoring" your facts. We're having an argument. It's something people do when they disagree. Don't be touchy about it.

St. Louis held Peterson to 69 yards the following week and SF held him to 85 yards the week prior. If a defense chooses to shut him down, it is possible. That's three weeks in a row. It's not exactly a fluke. I know he's made out to be Superman, and he IS good, but he's not a one man wrecking crew week in and week out. Not to mention he has performed better at home vs. us than in GB vs. us the past two years.

So they win the fumble battle 2 to 1. It's still a point in favor of the breaks going the Vikings way, in my opinion.

There is no need for garbage time yards if Lee catches that TD pass. It hit him in the bread basket/upper thighs. If he goes for a hand catch instead of a arm catch, he doesn't drop it. If your receiver can stand there and catch the ball without moving, it's not a bad throw.

And we haven't even talked about the home field advantage in the dome compared to playing in Green Bay, and how the crowd noise helped their defense jump the snap, limited our ability to make audibles at the line, affected our rhythm, etc..

It seems to me that you have zero respect for our offense, if you think that they played out of their minds vs. Minnesota. I'm simply not seeing it. Nobody in the organization is seeing it. Everyone feels they performed poorly.

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Meanwhile, I feel pretty safe saying that Favre won't perform nearly as well November 1 vs. Green Bay. He is capable of these games that he had last Monday once in a while, but he hasn't been consistent for years, the crowd will be against him, it will be colder, and our D will have twice as much experience in the new scheme.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:15:47 PM(UTC)
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Held Peterson to 55 yards. NOT gonna happen again.

Fluke fumble return for a touchdown by Clay Matthews. NOT gonna happen again

Rodgers throws for 400 yards, though much of it in garbage time. NOT gonna happen again.


So you can predict the future now with all this NOT gonna happen crap?

Matthews TD return was not a fluke as you call it. Its called "I am a football player and when I see the ball I go after it." He did, he took the ball out of Peterson's weak hands.

The lowly Detroit Lions and St. Louis Rams held Peterson under 100 yards rushing. Worst game of the season so far is against YOUR GREEN BAY PACKERS.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:07:44 PM(UTC)
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Held Peterson to 55 yards. NOT gonna happen again.

Fluke fumble return for a touchdown by Clay Matthews. NOT gonna happen again

Rodgers throws for 400 yards, though much of it in garbage time. NOT gonna happen again.


So you can predict the future now with all this NOT gonna happen crap?

Matthews TD return was not a fluke as you call it. Its called "I am a football player and when I see the ball I go after it." He did, he took the ball out of Peterson's weak hands.

The lowly Detroit Lions and St. Louis Rams held Peterson under 100 yards rushing. Worst game of the season so far is against YOUR GREEN BAY PACKERS.


I agree. Why on earth couldn't Rodgers throw for (nearly) 400 yards? The Lions can't generate a lot of pressure, so he should be able to get the pass of way easier. I mean, he went (far) over 300 a couple of times last year. Two of those games where against the Falcons and Titans. He can do it easily when he has to and gets the chance.

And like Akamp said, this was not a fluke play. It's something that the Packers practice on a lot. Keeping the ball carrier up and stripping the ball from him.

Slightly questionable and oppurtinistic tactic thing to practice on a lot, especially with the lack of pressure, but it's a really handy addition and something we really benefited from last week.
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