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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#136 Posted : Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:27:01 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Talk about stupid, did you just see that Boehner couldn't even get budget by the his own party in the House? LOL The obstructioners are imploding.

As for your little points - yes the mentally deranged person would use another weapon, but it wouldn't be as effective - and maybe only 10 people die instead of 30.

As for the healthcare, the savings will come by making healthcare more efficient. Currently we rank very poorly against other countries for efficiency. So IE - we will be cutting out the price gougers like the insurance companies and pharmeceutical reps.

Any more brain farts out of you tonight Twins?



What makes you think it wouldn't be as effective? A shotgun can kill multiple people with a single shot, Pistols can fire just as fast only needing a couple seconds to reload, and they are just as accurate. Virginia Tech was 2 Pistols. That doesn't even take into account what somebody with a hunting rifle could do, remember the Beltway shootings.

Nothing in Obamacare makes anything in healthcare more efficient. That is the entire problem. It does absolutely Zero to address the cost of healthcare, at least zero in lowering the cost. It does a pretty good job of raising the costs.
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Offline DakotaT  
#137 Posted : Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:39:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
What makes you think it wouldn't be as effective? A shotgun can kill multiple people with a single shot, Pistols can fire just as fast only needing a couple seconds to reload, and they are just as accurate. Virginia Tech was 2 Pistols. That doesn't even take into account what somebody with a hunting rifle could do, remember the Beltway shootings.

Nothing in Obamacare makes anything in healthcare more efficient. That is the entire problem. It does absolutely Zero to address the cost of healthcare, at least zero in lowering the cost. It does a pretty good job of raising the costs.


It saves money just in the amount of people that aren't using the emergency room that were before because they were uninsured. Preventative health care saves money, but fright wingers have the patience of petulant children and will have to wait for those results. What doesn't save money or make anybody money are trickle down economics - and thank god the door has been slammed on that goat fuck. We're going off the cliff (Boehner dismissed the House without a resolution tonight) which means mandatory tax increase on all of us. I lose $1,200 in tax credits for 2013. But the good thing is the spending cuts this forces. I want the economy back that we had when the womanizer was president, and if it means paying those tax rates so be it.
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#138 Posted : Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:54:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
It saves money just in the amount of people that aren't using the emergency room that were before because they were uninsured. Preventative health care saves money, but fright wingers have the patience of petulant children and will have to wait for those results. What doesn't save money or make anybody money are trickle down economics - and thank god the door has been slammed on that goat fuck. We're going off the cliff (Boehner dismissed the House without a resolution tonight) which means mandatory tax increase on all of us. I lose $1,200 in tax credits for 2013. But the good thing is the spending cuts this forces. I want the economy back that we had when the womanizer was president, and if it means paying those tax rates so be it.


Where is the sign at the emergency room that say. If you are not insured, you don't have to pay your bill? What make you think people who refused or couldn't pay their bill before, are going to now? Preventive care has been available to anybody who wants it. All hospitals take Cash.

Obama has had the power to prevent going off the cliff. He could have prevented your tax increase by extending all the tax breaks and cutting wasteful spending. He has never planned on on preventing the cliff. He needs the increase to pay for obamacare.

Open your eyes before it is too late.
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#139 Posted : Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:30:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Where is the sign at the emergency room that say. If you are not insured, you don't have to pay your bill? What make you think people who refused or couldn't pay their bill before, are going to now? Preventive care has been available to anybody who wants it. All hospitals take Cash.

Obama has had the power to prevent going off the cliff. He could have prevented your tax increase by extending all the tax breaks and cutting wasteful spending. He has never planned on on preventing the cliff. He needs the increase to pay for obamacare.

Open your eyes before it is too late.


You're one of those fortunate people with many gifts provided that enjoys beating up the welfare cases aren't you? You might want to rethink your Christian values.

Obama won the election promising that the wealthy finally have to pay their fair share. Why would he renege on that? Fuck those assholes - they are welcome to self deport.

I want to go over the cliff - we all pay more taxes and it forces spending cuts. I want the war machine scaled back and the budget balanced. None of that gets done with greedy Republicans in control. I've watched them operate all my life. Bush inherited surplus, cut taxes, went to war, and forced this country into a depression. Yeah, sign us up for that kind of brainstorming forever. Sarcasm

My eyes are open - and they won't allow me to side with the right wing anymore. We better get back on topic with guns or the topic nazis will start their blitzkreig.
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#140 Posted : Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:32:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
You're one of those fortunate people with many gifts provided that enjoys beating up the welfare cases aren't you? You might want to rethink your Christian values.

Obama won the election promising that the wealthy finally have to pay their fair share. Why would he renege on that? Fuck those assholes - they are welcome to self deport.

I want to go over the cliff - we all pay more taxes and it forces spending cuts. I want the war machine scaled back and the budget balanced. None of that gets done with greedy Republicans in control. I've watched them operate all my life. Bush inherited surplus, cut taxes, went to war, and forced this country into a depression. Yeah, sign us up for that kind of brainstorming forever. Sarcasm

My eyes are open - and they won't allow me to side with the right wing anymore. We better get back on topic with guns or the topic nazis will start their blitzkreig.


you should be called Walking Eagle.
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#141 Posted : Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:35:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Read the article again. You don't need any of the facts to decipher the manipulation lol. When it comes to gun knowledge, yes sir, I am ignorant. Never claimed otherwise. When it comes to picking out brainwashing, manipulation and words twisted out of context (which moves to the two former items) ... I'm quite astute.


Again, to clearly say this so the weak minded folks clearly understand and do not mistaken my words ... I do not know any facts regarding the shooting at Newtown, none. So, one could claim I'm ignorant with accuracy on that specific circumstance.


So.. You are admitting your post is moot, then? Ok.

Again, regardless of the slant of the article, it poses more than one legit question. And no one's answering it.

Probably because they don't want the masses to know.
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#142 Posted : Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:43:33 PM(UTC)
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#143 Posted : Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:52:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
you should be called Walking Eagle.


My actual Native American name is "Hung like Buffalo"!
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#144 Posted : Friday, December 21, 2012 3:34:49 AM(UTC)
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You know what America.

Keep your guns, your welcome to them.

I'll be back posting in a topic like this when it all happens again,

Oh and it will mark my words.

And the gun owners will spring to their defense and the anti gun owners will spring to their defense.

And where will it get you.

Nowhere.

You're all just going round in circles.

All that will happen is there will be more grieving mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters whilst all your words are just empty rhetoric.
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#145 Posted : Friday, December 21, 2012 6:17:59 AM(UTC)
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My actual Native American name is "Hung like Buffalo"!


that's nice. you have plenty of company.

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#146 Posted : Friday, December 21, 2012 6:19:59 AM(UTC)
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that's nice. you have plenty of company.

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Shame on you
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#147 Posted : Friday, December 21, 2012 6:40:02 AM(UTC)
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Shame on you


i don't care who you are that's funny right there
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#148 Posted : Friday, December 21, 2012 6:55:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Formo Go to Quoted Post
So.. You are admitting your post is moot, then? Ok.


You really don't have a clue, do ya?

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As for the questions posed....I already explained that. Please, do not fall for brainwash tactics man. You are not that weak!!

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#149 Posted : Friday, December 21, 2012 9:28:46 AM(UTC)
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NRA has spoken - armed guards at every school. Republican agenda - gut school budgets and no new taxes so the wealthy can continue to float their yachts.

Democrat agenda - gun control laws - raise taxes - invest in our children.

Hmmmmm! I wonder who wins this one?
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#150 Posted : Friday, December 21, 2012 11:03:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
NRA has spoken - armed guards at every school. Republican agenda - gut school budgets and no new taxes so the wealthy can continue to float their yachts.

Democrat agenda - gun control laws - raise taxes - invest in our children.

Hmmmmm! I wonder who wins this one?


"None of the above"

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