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Offline Pack93z  
#241 Posted : Monday, December 24, 2012 8:43:30 AM(UTC)
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It all boils down to this very simple premise, you cannot legislate the random and sick thoughts of some of the twisted human beings walking this earth.

We can debate it all day long, but it just cannot be done.

With that said, we will continue to try.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline Formo  
#242 Posted : Monday, December 24, 2012 11:31:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I have lost all enjoyment participating in discussions on this website thanks to people like you Jeremy, Paul, Wade and Troy. I used to look forward to coming to this site, share thoughts, opinions, but after this ganging up against me ... f*ck you guys and thanks for making a difficult time of year ... even worse by ruining my hobby.


Ok? I'm not going to apologize for how I responded to your posts, but I will apologize for how you feel about them. Your result was not my goal, never was and never will be.

I don't know where Paul, Wade and Troy play in this, but certainly none of them ever intended on ruining your hobby. Nor have I. I know you do far more for the site than I ever will, but this is what I enjoy as well (loggin in, reading some Packer garbage, bantering with DakotaT, 93z, you, etc). I mean what I said, but that doesn't mean I won't back off if that's what you want. You are the 'bossman', the owner and Moderator. Just say it and I'll back off. I'll hate doing it, but I will out of respect for you and the work you've done here.
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Offline DakotaT  
#243 Posted : Monday, December 24, 2012 12:11:11 PM(UTC)
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Anyone ever notice that the only threads that reach 15 to 20 pages are the ones where bickering, bantering, and abuse are prevelent? Personally, it does not bother me in the least to be called names or have my intelligence denigrated - that's when I know I've got my advesary right where I want him. The mistake I make is assuming other peoples feelings don't get hurt either. So that would be what I would apologize for.
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Offline Pack93z  
#244 Posted : Monday, December 24, 2012 2:27:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Personally, it does not bother me in the least to be called names or have my intelligence denigrated - that's when I know I've got my adversary right where I want him.


Long ago.. I learned that lesson, blasting someone's intelligence, heart or pride is nothing more than giving in to their will. If I get to that level, it is when I feel the need to back up, breathe and chill. I have enough anger in my life.. conversation exchanges with others need not increase it.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline zombieslayer  
#245 Posted : Monday, December 24, 2012 7:44:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Does anyone belong NRA anymore?

I don't know that I know one under the age of mid 50's or older.


I belong to several gun rights orgs, but not the NRA. I think they're sell-outs. Their stooges of the Republican party, which has done just as little as the Democrats to protect our Freedoms.
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Offline macbob  
#246 Posted : Tuesday, December 25, 2012 6:26:00 PM(UTC)
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All I'll say is I missed Kevin in GameDay Chat this week. Hope everything's OK, and hope he's back soon.

I greatly appreciate this place he's provided us to hang out, and would hope he enjoyed running PackersHome as much as I do hanging out here.
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Offline Porforis  
#247 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 7:15:58 AM(UTC)
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Even in the best of times Christmas is stressful - And with all the violence over the last few weeks and the uncertainty of the fiscal cliff and what it means for our finances and retirements, it's that much harder to keep a positive attitude. Personally, I've crammed buying a house (in 20 days, frantic), closing on the 19th, work, 2 1/2 days with my parents with a 5 1/2 hour drive there in a mini-blizzard and 3 1/2 hour drive back, and packing for the move all in so far this month. I work today but we're leaving either tonight or tomorrow morning for my in-laws (2 1/2 hour drive in ideal conditions), driving up to her uncles on friday which is another 3 1/2 hours away, then all the way back either sunday morning (with a stopover for the game at the in-laws) or all at once saturday night. Then I get to come back and move the next day (31st) and host my brother for 2 days.

Christmas is hard, and draining, and stressful. I'm blessed to have parents that have not divorced and in-laws that have not divorced, I can't imagine cramming another two Christmases in and keeping my sanity. But many people need to deal with that. I don't know that much about Kevin's personal life but I can think of a handful of reasons to be stressed out this time of year - we can give halfhearted non-apologies about offending him but the fact of the matter is, we can be dicks to eachother quite often and we're all just one or two crises away from not being able to take it in stride. Lord knows I'm guilty, at the very least I hope we can leave our more heated rage and language for the sorry souls to the homeland's east and west.

Merry Christmas and stuff.

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Offline DakotaT  
#248 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 11:26:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post


Christmas is hard, and draining, and stressful. I'm blessed to have parents that have not divorced and in-laws that have not divorced, I can't imagine cramming another two Christmases in and keeping my sanity. But many people need to deal with that. I don't know that much about Kevin's personal life but I can think of a handful of reasons to be stressed out this time of year - we can give halfhearted non-apologies about offending him but the fact of the matter is, we can be dicks to eachother quite often and we're all just one or two crises away from not being able to take it in stride. Lord knows I'm guilty, at the very least I hope we can leave our more heated rage and language for the sorry souls to the homeland's east and west.

Merry Christmas and stuff.


And here I thought being dicks to each other brought out our very best work, takes us all to places we wouldn't have gone to making our point of view. Kevin is going to be just fine, sometimes a guy just needs some away time, unfortunately when my time comes it's mandatory. I may be a tad guilty of going overboard Big Grin, but I also think if Kevin is going to banter - then his executive privilege should also be waived.

Porforis, you're one of my favorite bitches. My politics use to be pretty close to what you currently believe, I just have had an awakening. Merry Christmas buddy, and congratulations on the house - I hope you bought a fixer upper so you learn about wiring, plumbing, sheet rock, window and door framing, shingling etc.
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Offline Porforis  
#249 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 11:49:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Porforis, you're one of my favorite bitches. My politics use to be pretty close to what you currently believe, I just have had an awakening.


Hey, we all change quite a bit during our lives. In high school I was pretty far left, a couple years back I looked at some papers and speeches I wrote that were somewhat political in nature and cringed. When I got out into the real world and had to learn how to take care of myself and make ends meet I swung pretty far right, now that I'm a bit more comfy in life and have been out in the world for long enough I've swung back somewhere to the middle socially and it's inevitable that I'll keep changing. The person I'm calling a dumb asshole now might be me in 10 years. :P

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Merry Christmas buddy, and congratulations on the house - I hope you bought a fixer upper so you learn about wiring, plumbing, sheet rock, window and door framing, shingling etc.


It was a recently restored house that was a complete disaster when it forclosed several years back, 90% of it is new but there's enough things that need patching here or there that I'll still have the opportunity to learn. It's got aluminum siding and there's corners I'll need to repair in the spring, some of the siding on the garage is bent back and I'll need to fix that (preferably yet this year) and I'll need to tear up a little bit of carpet on the basement stairs to replace a somewhat broken step (Supporting it with 2x4s in the meantime, there's already a 2x2 nailed underneath it for some support). Move-in ready so I'm not completely overwhelmed when I walk in the door but still enough stuff to force me to learn how to be handy.

Merry Christmas to you too.
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Offline Formo  
#250 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 12:32:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Hey, we all change quite a bit during our lives. In high school I was pretty far left, a couple years back I looked at some papers and speeches I wrote that were somewhat political in nature and cringed. When I got out into the real world and had to learn how to take care of myself and make ends meet I swung pretty far right, now that I'm a bit more comfy in life and have been out in the world for long enough I've swung back somewhere to the middle socially and it's inevitable that I'll keep changing. The person I'm calling a dumb asshole now might be me in 10 years. :P



It was a recently restored house that was a complete disaster when it forclosed several years back, 90% of it is new but there's enough things that need patching here or there that I'll still have the opportunity to learn. It's got aluminum siding and there's corners I'll need to repair in the spring, some of the siding on the garage is bent back and I'll need to fix that (preferably yet this year) and I'll need to tear up a little bit of carpet on the basement stairs to replace a somewhat broken step (Supporting it with 2x4s in the meantime, there's already a 2x2 nailed underneath it for some support). Move-in ready so I'm not completely overwhelmed when I walk in the door but still enough stuff to force me to learn how to be handy.

Merry Christmas to you too.


Reside. Aluminum is terrible. Not so much for looks or the actual aluminum part, but the crap they used as 'insulation' underneath it. Go with some sort of pinkboard underneath whatever you put up.
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Offline Porforis  
#251 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 12:51:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Formo Go to Quoted Post
Reside. Aluminum is terrible. Not so much for looks or the actual aluminum part, but the crap they used as 'insulation' underneath it. Go with some sort of pinkboard underneath whatever you put up.


I grew up in a house with plain ol' wood siding, my parents moved into a house with vinyl siding after I moved out but I greatly prefer both in terms of look and feel to aluminum. It's fairly new siding, but pretty much everything around here seems to be either aluminum or brick/cobblestone. But yeah, replacing it's on my medium-long term list because I don't like how it dents and it looks like what's underneath it is crap. And I'll probably be gluing corners back on 10 times a year.

Definitely won't do it this year though, won't have the money. Need to replace at least one gutter and will probably replace all of them while I'm at it, grading on the sides of the house to divert a little bit of rainwater away (literally dirt cheap though), and a butt-ton of furniture to buy (and a washer+dryer). Also need to pay my parents back money they lent us for a down payment, they said not to worry about paying it until 2014 if we need to but I don't like debts looming over me. I also need to build up a more respectable emergency fund now that our monthly housing costs went up.
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#252 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:10:10 PM(UTC)
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Wow....alot going on since my last time here. Wish i could be here more often.

"Assualt weapons". What exactly does that mean? Does it mean "MEAN looking guns!" And as far as making magazines that only hold 5 rounds. Once again, how long does it take to replace a magazine? Answer: Just a few seconds. So that will NOT stop madmen from these shootings.

I agree with what the NRA said (which i believe i said last time i was here) put an armed person in each school. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. That's a fact.
Making new laws that target legitimate law abiding citizens won't lower gun crimes.
Example: England put a gun ban in place in 1997. From 1998-2005 the number of deaths and injuries from handguns rose 340% there. So what did their gun ban accomplish? It disarmed law abiding citizens, allow the bad guys to do whatever they want.

Lets face it, the gun hating media sensationalizes gun violence, as it feeds fuel to their desire, which is to disarm us. (Law abiding people)
More info: In 2003 children 14 and under suffered 56 fatal gun accidents. In that same year 86 drowned in bathtubs and 285 drowned in pools. So i guess taking a bath is more likely to kill a child then a gun accident in the home. Ans swimming in a pool??? That should be outlawed.

Yes, any death is bad. But going overboard to try to "fix" it, when you arn't actually going after the bad people doing the crimes solves nothing but to give you a warm feeling.
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#253 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:14:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cheesey Go to Quoted Post
Wow....alot going on since my last time here. Wish i could be here more often.

"Assualt weapons". What exactly does that mean? Does it mean "MEAN looking guns!" And as far as making magazines that only hold 5 rounds. Once again, how long does it take to replace a magazine? Answer: Just a few seconds. So that will NOT stop madmen from these shootings.

I agree with what the NRA said (which i believe i said last time i was here) put an armed person in each school. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. That's a fact.
Making new laws that target legitimate law abiding citizens won't lower gun crimes.
Example: England put a gun ban in place in 1997. From 1998-2005 the number of deaths and injuries from handguns rose 340% there. So what did their gun ban accomplish? It disarmed law abiding citizens, allow the bad guys to do whatever they want.

Lets face it, the gun hating media sensationalizes gun violence, as it feeds fuel to their desire, which is to disarm us. (Law abiding people)
More info: In 2003 children 14 and under suffered 56 fatal gun accidents. In that same year 86 drowned in bathtubs and 285 drowned in pools. So i guess taking a bath is more likely to kill a child then a gun accident in the home. Ans swimming in a pool??? That should be outlawed.

Yes, any death is bad. But going overboard to try to "fix" it, when you arn't actually going after the bad people doing the crimes solves nothing but to give you a warm feeling.


Republicans - the party of bad ideas, like armed guards in schools.

Democrats - the party of no ideas.



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#254 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:17:47 PM(UTC)
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Why is armed guards in schools a bad idea???
Protecting the children isn't worthy of it?
I don't understand your thinking.
What SHOULD be done then? Put people at every school holding an olive branch to stop the killers from coming in?
Wait the 10 minutes or more it takes for the police to get there, which gives plenty of time for a mass murderer to kill alot of innocent people?
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#255 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 7:09:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cheesey Go to Quoted Post
Why is armed guards in schools a bad idea???
Protecting the children isn't worthy of it?
I don't understand your thinking.
What SHOULD be done then? Put people at every school holding an olive branch to stop the killers from coming in?
Wait the 10 minutes or more it takes for the police to get there, which gives plenty of time for a mass murderer to kill alot of innocent people?


Because we can't even afford our teachers according to the Republicans who want to gut education - but sticking yahoos at the front door solves our problems? It's proposterous - and the NRA look like a bunch of jackasses for bringing it up.
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