longtimefan wrote:

DH, a franchise q/b in my mind is one that you can build your team around.. I also think that is how Porky views it and many other people too

I understand that i judge mine done by performance of 3-4 years, i geuss i have seen to many one year wonders get the big bucks and then flop after. So hope you can see from my side. It will be interesting to see how Rodgers and Cassell do after getting huge money for 1 season. I will give Cassell a little time he has nothing in KC where i actually expect alot from Rodgers with all his weapons he has.

dhazer wrote:

longtimefan wrote: DH, a franchise q/b in my mind is one that you can build your team around.. I also think that is how Porky views it and many other people too I understand that i judge mine done by performance of 3-4 years, i geuss i have seen to many one year wonders get the big bucks and then flop after. So hope you can see from my side. It will be interesting to see how Rodgers and Cassell do after getting huge money for 1 season. I will give Cassell a little time he has nothing in KC where i actually expect alot from Rodgers with all his weapons he has.

Shouldn't allow money to make a judgment on if a q/b is a franchise or not

Should be if the team feels that they have the q/b for YEARS, which is what the Packers and others feel Rodgers is.

Just as KC feels Cassel is

dhazer wrote:

Im still stuck on Porky's comment. How can you call a qb a franchise qb when they started for 1 year? Wouldn't that make Cassell a franchise qb, or Flacco, hell even JP Losman would be a franchise qb. He may become a franchise qb but i won't call him that after one year thats just plain ridiculous. Also you guys rate the drafts from the starters we get, well hell when you don't have any decent players for those spots, doesn't that mean someone has to start?

None of those quarterbacks put up the numbers Rodgers did or played as well. Maybe Matt Cassel. It's hard to debunk a quarterback when he throws for 28 touchdowns and 4.000 yards.

I consider Matt Ryan Atlanta's franchise quarterback so it would be inconsistent not to consider Aaron Rodgers Green Bay's franchise quarterback.

Rodgers by all accounts is this team's franchises quarterback. Perhaps in three seasons the draft will be an F because Rodgers will be out of the league. Unlikely, but you never know.

At this point in time though Rodgers is one of the better young quarterbacks in the league. He still has work to do, but I think he's probably here for several more seasons to come.

porky88 wrote:

It's hard to debunk a quarterback when he throws for 28 touchdowns and 4.000 yards.

Unless you're a Ted Hatorade and Favre Loverade type, then it's easy peazy.

Well guys look at these stats

4301 yds 24 tds 8 ints -mb

4014 yds 17 tds 10 ints -tg


4038 yds 28 tds 13 ints - a r


4717 yds 39 tds 11 ints - dc


3324 yds 19tds 7 ints -dm

now would all those numbers make these qbs franchise qbs?

I don't see what you are getting at D.

You don't only take into account numbers when talking about a franchise player(QB in this case). Aaron proved he could step in and be the leader. He proved his ability to run the offense.

Matt Ryan stepped in and did the same. Matt Cassel rose to fill some pretty big shoes out in NE. Sure he had all the pieces BUT he too had something to do with it. He had the moxie, HE made the passes, and HE led the offense.

Source Me:

Franchise Player is an athlete who is not simply the best player on their team, but a player that the team can build their franchise around for the foreseeable future.

Except for the last one, yes, just looking at the stats sololy. They don't awalys say everything.

Also, Cassel had an amazing team combined with the fact that he's not a franchise QB just yet. I mean, he's playing on a completely different team that can't be compared to the team he is on now. If he succeeds this year, then yes, I will consider him a franchise QB.

I still think he's overrated and will fail in KC though, but we'll see.

And lets keep this thread 'railed' again aswell.

Here are the qbs i listed and lets see if you still think they are franchise qbs Rock.


4301 yds 24 tds 8 ints -Marc Bulger

4014 yds 17 tds 10 ints -Trent Green


4038 yds 28 tds 13 ints - Aaron Rodgers


4717 yds 39 tds 11 ints - Dante Culpepper


3324 yds 19tds 7 ints -Donovan Mcnabb



Kind of funny that the only real franchise qb on there is the last one.


and Tengo what i'm getting at is give the guys a few years before you throw the franchise player tag to them. Not after 1 year.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't all of those guys with those teams/cities for quite some time? All having some form of success? Well...not so much Green. But you get me...right?

yes they were with there teams for a few years but they havent won anything. 2 of them were traded away from their teams and Bulger has had maybe 2 good years. Thus i say give them time before you call them a franchise qb. This isn't meant to be a cut on Rodgers i'm actually trying to say give the kid a few years before you add more pressure to him. After all remember Ryan Leaf was the Chargers franchise qb and he cracked under the pressure. Just let the kid play before claiming his greatness.

Whatever. Aaron is great and I don't care who hates it. lol

dhazer wrote:

Well guys look at these stats 4301 yds 24 tds 8 ints -mb 4014 yds 17 tds 10 ints -tg 4038 yds 28 tds 13 ints - a r 4717 yds 39 tds 11 ints - dc 3324 yds 19tds 7 ints - dm now would all those numbers make these qbs franchise qbs?

I think throwing over 4,000 yards, topping 25 TD's with a better than 2:1 TD to INT is a pretty damn good season.

Bulger - I think would have potential based on those numbers. 3:1 ratio is impressive.

Trent Green - Not enough TD's to be considered really good.

DC - PHENOMAL season with Randy Moss.


I think Bulger and Culpepper were Fanchise type QB's for quite awhile. I think they each had injuries that hampered their careers.

Well the point im trying to get across is let the kid play a few years before we add the pressure of being a franchise qb. Yes thats right i'm trying to be on Rodgers side here.

dhazer wrote:

Well the point im trying to get across is let the kid play a few years before we add the pressure of being a franchise qb. Yes thats right i'm trying to be on Rodgers side here.

My thoughts on Rodgers season. He had a helluva start and we'll have to see how he does later on.


Of the numbers you posted, I find this intriguing.

Bulger - 4th season as starter
Green - 6th season as starter
Culpepper - 5th season as starter
McNabb - 8th season as starter


and you are comparing them to Rodgers FIRST season as a full time starter. And you claim you are on Rodger side?

Zero2Cool wrote:

dhazer wrote: Well the point im trying to get across is let the kid play a few years before we add the pressure of being a franchise qb. Yes thats right i'm trying to be on Rodgers side here. My thoughts on Rodgers season. He had a helluva start and we'll have to see how he does later on. Of the numbers you posted, I find this intriguing. Bulger - 4th season as starter Green - 6th season as starter Culpepper - 5th season as starter McNabb - 8th season as starter and you are comparing them to Rodgers FIRST season as a full time starter. And you claim you are on Rodger side?

+1

Also rodgers did have a lot of weapons but he didn't exactly have a great Oline.

The added pressure?

Rodgers knows he's this teams' franchise quarterback. I think he's more than aware of any pressure surrounding him.

You don't need to be a Hall of Fame QB to be a franchise QB. The fact that the Packers currently consider Rodgers a franchise quarterback is enough to consider him a franchise quarterback. He is the long term solution at QB RIGHT NOW.

Whether or not that turns out to be true is irrelevant. It's like saying well Greg Jennings had only one 1,000 yard season so maybe he'll flop. Maybe, but unlikely.

The way I see it, injuries are the only thing that will hold a guy like Rodgers or Jennings back. Even if Rodgers has a solid career like Phil Simms had, he's a franchise QB in my opinion.

dhazer wrote:

Well the point im trying to get across is let the kid play a few years before we add the pressure of being a franchise qb. Yes thats right i'm trying to be on Rodgers side here.

Franchise q/b = someone you plan on having at the spot for YEARS

Plain and simple..

Not how much they make, or what their stats are...

Just are you going to keep him around for a while

Brett WASNT a franchise q/b in NY

Casell in KC now is a franchise q/b

I really am not sure how hard that is to understand

Jacob wrote:

+1 Also rodgers did have a lot of weapons but he didn't exactly have a great Oline.

ya so true ...

Zero2Cool wrote:

porky88 wrote: It's hard to debunk a quarterback when he throws for 28 touchdowns and 4.000 yards. Unless you're a Ted Hatorade and Favre Loverade type, then it's easy peazy.

Z, they are called Tators and I've heard supporters of Uncle Ted called Tedaphiles, which doesn't really sound too good.

As for this thread, I think you have to be a pretty special quarterback to throw for 4,000 and 28 touchdowns, but I think Dhazer has a good point that Rodgers still has things to prove. Rodgers did throw some untimely picks, forcing the ball, in games that were within reach; but it surely wasn't his fault the defense fell apart (please see NO and Houston games).

porky88 wrote:

The added pressure? Rodgers knows he's this teams' franchise quarterback. I think he's more than aware of any pressure surrounding him. You don't need to be a Hall of Fame QB to be a franchise QB. The fact that the Packers currently consider Rodgers a franchise quarterback is enough to consider him a franchise quarterback. He is the long term solution at QB RIGHT NOW. Whether or not that turns out to be true is irrelevant. It's like saying well Greg Jennings had only one 1,000 yard season so maybe he'll flop. Maybe, but unlikely. The way I see it, injuries are the only thing that will hold a guy like Rodgers or Jennings back. Even if Rodgers has a solid career like Phil Simms had, he's a franchise QB in my opinion.

Ok for the part i bolded i'll give you an example of a so called franchise wr then he sucked. Look no farther than Walker he played great wanted big bucks and then when he got it he flopped big time. You guys i guess just can't see my point that i will not consider anyone a franchise player after playing for one year. Yes he had a great year but lets see what happens this year. I have seen to many one year wonders in the nfl to jump on a player right away. I mean the same people that are saying he is a franchise qb are also the same ones that also say certain qbs like Flacco and Ryan are just average qbs because of their numbers. Just makes me wonder if it we had Cassell and the Pats had Rodgers and they put up their numbers would you be saying Rodgers put up his numbers because of the players around him and Cassell did it with no o-line?