Zero2Cool
13 years ago

he was guilty and weaseled out of it. [boxing]

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I appreciate your misguided (Cardinals fan) perception and it's been ignored from this moment forward. 😉
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

I appreciate your misguided (Cardinals fan) perception and it's been ignored from this moment forward. ;-)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I am only doing this to needle YOU. :-"

Truly the whole matter is very strange. All time highest substance is strange. Keeping the sample over the weekend is strange. (I contend they should have have taken the sample if they could not ship it immediately.) I think I read there were other offices still open but maybe I am remembering incorrectly. If there were then why not ship from one of them? I know Braun is a class guy on and off the field.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
It was reported there was one within 6 blocks of the home the sample was stored. But apparently it was common for the samples to be held at someones home over night or something. I don't know. It all seems really odd to me. The real issue I have is Ryan Braun and those close to him keep saying "if you knew the whole story you'd believe his innocence" ... well, why not tell the whole story then?
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago
yep.
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
12 years ago
the gun is still smoking 


Milwaukee Brewers star Ryan Braun's name is in records of the Miami-area clinic alleged to have distributed performance-enhancing drugs to a rash of baseball players, and Major League Baseball will investigate the link to the former MVP who tested positive for illegal synthetic testosterone during the 2011 postseason.

Three of the Biogenesis clinic records obtained by Yahoo! Sports show Braun's name. Unlike the players named by the Miami New Times in its report that blew open the Biogenesis case, Braun's name is not listed next to any specific PEDs.

MLB is investigating the Biogenesis clinic and its operator, Anthony Bosch, to determine the breadth of Bosch's alleged PED dispersal throughout the sport. The league could pursue punishment through non-analytical positives – evidentiary links to players without positive tests – and one source said it will not limit the potential discipline to those whose names are surfacing for the first time, meaning those who have faced suspensions in the past could again be tried.

Braun is on a list that includes Alex Rodriguez, Melky Cabrera and Cesar Carrillo, who the New Times reported received PEDs from Bosch. Also on the list are New York Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli and Baltimore Orioles third baseman Danny Valencia, who weren't listed near PEDs either. The record matches a document the New Times posted with Braun's name redacted and Cervelli and Valencia's cut off.

Representatives for Braun, Cervelli and Valencia did not return multiple phone messages left by Yahoo! Sports.


UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
12 years ago
When I seen a post in Ryan Braun thread, I knew it had to be some whiny Cardinals fan!!!!!
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
12 years ago

When I seen a post in Ryan Braun thread, I knew it had to be some whiny Cardinals fan!!!!!

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



the person who posts it doesn't make it any less of a story.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
12 years ago

the person who posts it doesn't make it any less of a story.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Oh but when they neglect to post the full story, it sure does!

RYAN BRAUN STATEMENT

"During the course of preparing for my successful appeal last year, my attorneys, who were previously familiar with Tony Bosch, used him as a consultant. More specifically, he answered questions about T/E ratio and possibilities of tampering with samples.

"There was a dispute over compensation for Bosch's work, which is why my lawyer and I are listed under "moneys owed" and not on any other list.

"I have nothing to hide and have never had any other relationship with Bosch.

"I will fully cooperate with any inquiry into this matter."





UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
12 years ago

Oh but when they neglect to post the full story, it sure does!




Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Braun statement came out later. I did not see it until very late last night. I had to get to bed. I knew you would need to post it so I let it go.

Keep in mind just because his name is on the list doesn't mean he is guilty AND just because the person who is a suspect claims they are innocent, that doesn't make it so either. Almost everyone who has juiced claims they are innocent until the evidence shows otherwise. Armstrong is the new poster child for that defense.

It is what I said it is- a smoking gun. It makes for reasonable doubt.
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
12 years ago
We really have no idea what is the truth vs speculation.. but even as a Brewer fan, one has to be somewhat open to the possibility that Braun is guilty. At the same time, it is plausible that Braun's explanation is reality.

Regardless if he is guilty or not.. the below reason for withholding names without something more substantial than a name being in the billing records is the proper approach.


Yahoo!'s story raises an obvious question. If Braun's and Cervelli's names appear in the Bosch records at the heart of New Times' investigation -- and indeed, Yahoo!'s report does appear to match New Times'records -- why didn't we report them in our first story?

Simple: an abundance of caution.

As Yahoo! notes, the records do not clearly associate either Braun, Cervelli, or a third player who this morning denied all ties with Bosch (Orioles third baseman Danny Valencia) with use of supplements. Yahoo! apparently obtained copies of just these page of Bosch's notebooks independently of New Times.



Source - Miami NewTimes. 
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Fan Shout
TheKanataThrilla (37m) : Unfortunately he doesn't seem ready to be an emergency QB.
TheKanataThrilla (38m) : As a Canadian and a follower of Canadian University football. I am rooting for him
dfosterf (39m) : I bet a lot of us will follow the Taylor Elgersma journey with interest. Personally, got a Kurt Warner vibe goin' on. I like him
TheKanataThrilla (40m) : Not sure if either will be claimed though.
TheKanataThrilla (41m) : Tune or Hooker would make sense
dfosterf (53m) : Clayton Tune cut by the Cards? Don't know if that's the guy, we shall see
TheKanataThrilla (1h) : Per Bill Huber, the Packers will not be bringing back Taylor Elgersma or Sean Clifford on the practice squad, so a new third quarterback
Mucky Tundra (1h) : Schefter must have deleted his tweet
dfosterf (3h) : Hopefully Jerry reaches under the seat cushions and ashtrays of his jet and scrapes up the 45 million apr and spares us further nonsense
dfosterf (3h) : Have to admit the PO'd Cowboy fan videos would be fun to watch. Problem with draft picks is half their fanbase barely knows what that is
beast (3h) : I think Cowboys fans are ready to get their pitch forks and burning sticks if Jerry were to trade Micah
dfosterf (3h) : If Jerry traded Micah to GB, here in northern Va. they would have to quick build yet another data center to handle the internet hate traffic
Zero2Cool (4h) : its signing and trades that you don't hear about, other then announced
Zero2Cool (4h) : If you hear rumors about Packers sign or trade, won't happen. Not how they work
dfosterf (4h) : 19 players in a contract year. Jones called loss to us worst loss in Cowboy history. Forget Parsons trade. Not happenin' Cap'n
packerfanoutwest (5h) : The Packers, meanwhile, are the youngest team in the league for the third consecutive year.
dfosterf (7h) : That it was darkest before the dawn in Bengals and Commanders before they got deals done
Zero2Cool (7h) : what is Schefter saying?
dfosterf (8h) : He was getting Dorito infusion therapy
dfosterf (8h) : He's outta shape. Why, just the other day I saw him splayed out on the trainers table
Mucky Tundra (14h) : Parsons has followed Rasheed Walker on Twitter. Quite the choice
Mucky Tundra (14h) : Kuhn is a former player who works for the team, if somethings going down, he would be close to it
Mucky Tundra (14h) : @kuhnj30 Micah Freaking Parsons
Mucky Tundra (14h) : A LOT of buzz on the Bird App regarding Parsons; even Schefter is saying it's serious
dfosterf (19h) : *Orzech*
dfosterf (19h) : Orzich long snapper 3 yr extension
Zero2Cool (20h) : Packers signed someone for three year deal
Zero2Cool (20h) : lol i know it's insane ... sign up for the waiver wire then you'll know
wpr (21h) : YES!!!!!!
Mucky Tundra (21h) : WE WANT THE LIST! WE WANT THE LIST!
Zero2Cool (21h) : @JJLahey · 2m Holy crap, Packers, where the heck is the list?
Zero2Cool (21h) : haha folks on Tweeter every year this time ... 'where is list Packers!!" hahaha
wpr (22h) : He played pretty good.
Zero2Cool (22h) : NAZIR STACKHOUSE HAS MADE THE 53
Zero2Cool (23h) : NOOOOO KALEN IS GONE
Zero2Cool (23h) : Kalen King and Kamal Hadden making it. me thinks
schroeder84 (26-Aug) : @dfosterf I suspect Elgersma WILL be hard to hide. Raw, but talented
Zero2Cool (26-Aug) : pp.com is broken, halt testing, gotta go do work things for a bit
hardrocker950 (26-Aug) : Mecole Hardman was released, to the surprise of few
Zero2Cool (26-Aug) : PP.com updated. Reset Password works, and now User Profile pages are a thing
Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : Soft hope plan is having fantasy football weekly on-site that i build. cannot do that with this setup.
Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : It's older technology, resource hog, cannot be upgraded/changed. That's to start.
packerfanoutwest (25-Aug) : Ok, but what is wrong with this site?
Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : check out packerpeople.com
Mucky Tundra (25-Aug) : Oh crap I missed that! I thought it was a 2026 pick
Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : It wasn't even next year pick, it's two years away. old dog food value
Mucky Tundra (25-Aug) : Yep! Everytime a team trades with Howie that team is the loser (so says the media)
Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : We are hosed.
Mucky Tundra (25-Aug) : Per Schefter, GB is sending a 6th rounder for OT Darian Kennard
Zero2Cool (24-Aug) : Finally got new site to keep folks logged in. New tech is pain sometimes
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
37m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

58m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

6h / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

14h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

20h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

20h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

23h / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

25-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

24-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

24-Aug / Around The NFL / beast

23-Aug / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

22-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

21-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.