all_about_da_packers
2 years ago

It always sucks losing week 1. You wait over a half a year for football to start again, that anticipation building; you just want to see a win. It always sucks, more, to lose to a rival.

I'm not to worried though. Sloppy week 1 play becoming a trend aside, I seen this game as a lot of close factors that will improve going forward. Whether it be that Watson drop to start the game, the numerous close misses on sacks, or the obvious breakdown on communication in the secondary letting JJettas dance the ballroom on us, it will all get better.

I'm not worried, yet.

Originally Posted by: RickLM 



Good thread. I think people are losing sight of the fact that you want a team to be playing their best going into the post-season, not approx. 4.5 months prior to the post-season.

Quay Walker looks the part, man. Excited to see what he does as season goes on.

Christian Watson has remarkable physical attributes that show up on the field. I don't know if I've ever seen a Packers' WR get open so effortlessly like Watson did on the first snap on O. Devante Adams had some of the most crisp footwork, hips and route running around, but Watson has elite raw skills. If he can put things together, holy smokes will he be a match-up nightmare.

O-line depth. Once Jenkins and Bakh are back (assuming Bakh ever gets back and even somewhat close to his level before injury), our O-Line will be deep.

Special teams. Punter was solid, and no actual blunders. Held my breath every ST snap, but nothing bad happening is something I'll take.

Ja Island. My love for Jaire knows no bounds, and it was great seeing him back on the field full-go; I think he pretty much shut down his man (mostly Thielen) this game. Hearing reporters state Jaire told them he was begging coaches for the Jefferson match-up all week makes me so happy. Hopefully our defensive coaches can find more ways to take advantage of Ja's generational talent in shutting his side of the field down other than simply having him guard rubs / clear out routes.

I'm optimistic that our offense will work out the issues it has. It clearly can't rely on passing its way out of trouble; Lazard being back will help, Tonyan getting more targets will help, getting Aaron Jones more touches will help, and I have to think Watson and Doubs will improve through the season and build some rapport with Rodgers. I'm still choosing to be optimistic that even though it'll take time and almost certainly go against 12's instinct to sling it, he'll settle into a rhythm with what we have and find a way to make it work decently. Aaron Rodgers's is going to need a couple of months to get into a groove with what the players he has can do, but we did see flashes of some strengths this offense personnel is capable of despite the overall bad performance. Somewhat encouraging considering the pre-season was pretty much the Jordan Love dance.
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Cheesey
2 years ago
Yes, I think they will improve. The rookie WRs will get better. The problem is, how long will it take for them to get up to speed?
And will we ever get our 2 best O-line guys back? I don't think Rodgers held onto the ball too long, like he did in seasons past. Whenever he dropped back, he had guys in his face before he could have a chance to find anyone open. And there was no Adams to depend on to run the right out and make a catch.
So it boils down to, will the Packers dig themselves into too deep if a hole to crawl out of to make the playoffs? By the time the new guys can really help, will they be so far behind the Vikings that they can't catch up?
Or will Aaron Rodgers get killed by his "lookout blockers" before the team can even have a shot at making the playoffs?
The Vikings look head and tails better then the Packers right now. They have a running start at winning the division.
I know, it's only one game. And if the Packers look great next week, I might not feel as "doom and gloom" as I do right now .
I just don't feel confident right now. A loss against the Bears next week would be devastating. That would put us 2 games lost in the division.
To me, that would be panic time.
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Cheesey
2 years ago

Maybe a couple times, but that’s not true as a whole. I don’t believe there were open guys all over the place like you make it seem.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 



I agree.
And being able to sit back, watch the game again, and point out "open" guys is not the same as having huge guys in your face and having 2 seconds to try to FIND that "open" guy before getting creamed.
Cousins had all day most of the time to find someone to throw to, while Rodgers had to run for his life almost every play.
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nerdmann
2 years ago

I agree.
And being able to sit back, watch the game again, and point out "open" guys is not the same as having huge guys in your face and having 2 seconds to try to FIND that "open" guy before getting creamed.
Cousins had all day most of the time to find someone to throw to, while Rodgers had to run for his life almost every play.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



$50 mil per year, he better start finding guys.
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

This 100000%. they showed several replays of our inept offense and he had guys wide open and went to someone who was covered or ready for a 2 yard drop off. Rodgers vision is horrible and i dunno how he can fix that.

Originally Posted by: bboystyle 



I half wonder if having those two Tackles in there without his WR1 messed with his confidence in the pocket and he became tunnel vision on 18 a few times. 🤷‍♂️

It just seemed like a lethargic game from opening kickoff to final tick.
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

We had guys open. It just feels like 12 wanted certain guys instead. I haven't watched the game a second time. So, I could be mistaken.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Apparently the film shows this to be true. I'm seeing lots of clips saying WR here wide open but 12 moves off him quick. 🤷
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Cheesey
2 years ago
Again, being able to watch a game replay on a TV in leisure is a lot different then trying to find an open guy in 2 seconds while running for your life.
It's much easier to judge when you don't have anything to lose and have a full view of the field by a high up TV camera .
I hated in the past when Rodgers held the ball too long. I didn't see that in this game.
JMO of course.
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

Again, being able to watch a game replay on a TV in leisure is a lot different then trying to find an open guy in 2 seconds while running for your life.
It's much easier to judge when you don't have anything to lose and have a full view of the field by a high up TV camera .
I hated in the past when Rodgers held the ball too long. I didn't see that in this game.
JMO of course.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



No one said otherwise, so not sure why you came at me with this. I said while watching the game... And then I followed up that others have clips showing it to be true. Obviously it's not the same watching it on the sofa versus in game. I mean, no kidding. Lol.

The point is our WR were getting open. Rodgers will eventually trust them and hit them. The topic here is optimistic takeaway. We should be glad our WR are getting open, not be cynical about it. Rodgers admitted he had a bad game in his post game presser. It's week one. After watching many clips I'm excited for Watson and Doubs. Those kids can shake and bake!!

I think in the next four to six games we'll be hitting a good offensive stride. But who knows, Vikings could just suck ass at covering. 🤷 I'll stick with optimism though and be hopeful. That's just me.
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago
This is a good clip. It almost looks like Rodgers is looking at Watkins and then checks it down. Of course, we cannot see his eyes so the facemask could be pointing a different direction.

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Cheesey
2 years ago

No one said otherwise, so not sure why you came at me with this. I said while watching the game... And then I followed up that others have clips showing it to be true. Obviously it's not the same watching it on the sofa versus in game. I mean, no kidding. Lol.

The point is our WR were getting open. Rodgers will eventually trust them and hit them. The topic here is optimistic takeaway. We should be glad our WR are getting open, not be cynical about it. Rodgers admitted he had a bad game in his post game presser. It's week one. After watching many clips I'm excited for Watson and Doubs. Those kids can shake and bake!!

I think in the next four to six games we'll be hitting a good offensive stride. But who knows, Vikings could just suck ass at covering. 🤷 I'll stick with optimism though and be hopeful. That's just me.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I agree with you. I was'nt "coming at you". Thats where i hate taking by words on a screen. Things get misunderstood all the time. Had we been in a face to face disscussion, i'm certain you would'nt have felt that way. Sorry if i didn't make it clear enough.
The point i was making was that Rodgers did'nt have the time to find the open guy. He had guys in his face all game. It doesn't matter if guys are open at the point where the QB is getting smacked by the defense. Its too late for him to throw the ball if he's on his back on the ground.
Cousins for the most part had all day. He had time for the play to develope. Our O-line didn't give time for our QB to have the play develope.
By the time guys got open, the play was over. Add that to Rodgers having "happy feet" because he was getting harassed as soon as he got the snap, and you have a dissasterous game. No QB will be any good if he has NO protection.

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