Zero2Cool
a year ago

Your actually using more 2024 cap space if you trade him after June 1st, so 2024 free agents would be a bad reason to wait to June 1st.

As far as extensions, they usually take up the least amount of cap space in their first year as the signing bonus is usually their 1st year pay, but the signing bonus gets spread over multiple years of the contract.


So they most likely can give those extensions either way.
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Originally Posted by: beast 



Arw you looking at the images I posted? If so, can you explain how more free space is meaning less? I'm not being dick, I'm seriously confused. 
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beast
a year ago

Arw you looking at the images I posted? If so, can you explain how more free space is meaning less? I'm not being dick, I'm seriously confused.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

The images show the one year results, of a trade. Which a post June 1st trade is not a one year event, it's a two year event. So the post June 1st image is lacking information.

Let's start with, what is dead cap space? Dead cap space is money that 100% has already been paid out. (Rounding to make the numbers simpler). So the $40.3 million is already 100% in Aaron Rodgers bank account, which is why it's dead. They simply have not yet accounted for it. And they need to account for it 100%.


In a Pre-June Trade, the team has to account for it 100% in the first year, so 100% of the $40.3 million in 2023 cap space.

Pre-June Trade Cap hit
2023: $40.3
2024: $0

In a Post-June Trade, the team accounts for the same exact amount over the next two years (splitting it using NFL accounting rules which is a different subject, just assume the images 2023 numbers are right) and it's a $15.8 hit for 2023.

Post-June Trade Cap hits
2023: $15.8
2024: ?????

But what the remaining amount for 2024? Your images doesn't tell you that. Well, the Packers have to account for 100% of the $40.3 and so far they only accounted for $15.8... this means they have to account for the remainder ($24.5) in 2024. So it's 

June Trade Cap Hits
2023: $40.3
2024: $0
Total: $40.3

vs
Post-June Trade Cap Hits
2023: $15.8
2024: $24.5
Total: $40.3

So what I was saying, is your making more free space in 2023 (which we're not using) just to take that same amount away from 2024... but it all equals out, so unless you're going to spend that extra cash in 2023 (which we're not seemingly paying many FAs and extensions are almost always back loaded based on NFL accounting rules), there is no reason to wait for June and miss out on 2023 draft picks, unless the GM doesn't like the draft and thinks 2024 draft will be much better group of prospects.
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And if you want a link to match what I'm saying

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/ 

They give you more information (look at the cap hits) and notice even they don't talk about the 2024 cap space.
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Bottom line, unless you're absolutely desperate for cap space now (Packers aren't) or going to use it on FAs in 2023 (Packers don't seem to be), the post June thing is pointless as it all evens out next year. 

If you want draft picks in 2023 draft or not is much more important.
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Zero2Cool
a year ago
The images I showed are saying different than what you said. Each line is a year. 

2023
2024
2025
2026

Maybe I just stinks at math's too though 🤷
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beast
a year ago

The images I showed are saying different than what you said. Each line is a year. 

2023
2024
2025
2026

Maybe I just stinks at math's too though 🤷

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


That's because I'm talking about only a 2023 Rodgers trade.

Meanwhile the image is showing you the one year results of trading Rodgers in each year. So the one year results of he's traded in 2023.

Then the one year results if he's traded in 2024.

Then the one year results if he's traded in 2025.

Then the one year results if he's traded in 2026.


The images is showing you the one year results of 4 different trade possiblity with the different possiblity being by year.

Where you appear to be thinking of the image as one single trade possiblity into four years. 
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Zero2Cool
a year ago

Where you appear to be thinking of the image as one single trade possiblity into four years. ​​​​

Originally Posted by: beast 



You're saying each year line is suggesting a post-June trade for that year? Rather than the effects of a trade post-June 2023 solely?
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beast
a year ago

You're saying each year line is suggesting a post-June trade for that year? Rather than the effects of a trade post-June 2023 solely?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

It's set up for fans can quickly look at a random players contract and figure out which single year they want to suggest to release or trade a certain player.
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Zero2Cool
a year ago

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

It's set up for fans can quickly look at a random players contract and figure out which single year they want to suggest to release or trade a certain player.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Well, W.T.F!  I give up trying to understand this crap. lol

But I will say, even with that understanding, it still seems like Packers get $23 million less damage by post-june 1st trade 
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beast
a year ago

Well, W.T.F!  I give up trying to understand this crap. lol

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


🤣 

The NFL accounting system (for the average contract) is actually a lot simpler than people realize, but the first you got to stop paying attention to the media because they don't know what they hell they're talking about and make it a hell lot more confusing than it needs to be. I think spottac does the best at breaking it down.

Note: Rodgers has a contract set up like Andrew Brandt has never seen before, so not average, and I don't want to get into that hot mess.

But one suggestion I keep telling people, if you want to be ahead on the cap information, stop following the cap! Why? The cap does nothing but follow the money on a delay, so if you want to be ahead of the cap, simply follow the money (which is a hell lot easier for people to understand).

For example, look at Elgton Jenkins spottac contract... and just scroll all the way to the right where it says cash details
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/elgton-jenkins-29080/#:~:text=Elgton%20Jenkins%20signed%20a%204,average%20annual%20salary%20of%20%2417%2C000%2C000 .

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If media and fans simply followed the cash details instead of the cap, they would actually know what they're talking about a lot more, as cash basic is what people are used to, so it's what naturally makes sense to them, there is nothing to learn other than what is future guaranteed money (which is kinda self-explained).

Also, the cap is just a man made manipulated accounting system. And people have trouble with the manipulations, and want to lock things in when they shouldn't be, as teams can and will change things whenever they want.

And again, the cap simply follows the cash details on a delay, so if you're up on the cash details, then you're actually ahead of the cap.

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beast
a year ago

Well, W.T.F!  I give up trying to understand this crap. lol

But I will say, even with that understanding, it still seems like Packers get $23 million less damage by post-june 1st trade 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Nope, once again, the total damage is the exact same, just a matter much you kick back to the 2024 cap. If the Packers have an absolutely need for cap space in 2023, it might make sense, but if they don't, then it doesn't matter.

Pre-June Trade Cap Hit
2023: $40.3
2024: $0
Total: $40.3

vs

Post-June Trade Cap Hit
2023: $15.8
2024: $24.5
Total: $40.3
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Zero2Cool
a year ago

Nope, once again, the total damage is the exact same, just a matter much you kick back to the 2024 cap. If the Packers have an absolutely need for cap space in 2023, it might make sense, but if they don't, then it doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by: beast 



I can't stress this enough, not being a dick, but how the hell do you know this? lol I feel numbers should be so freaking easy, but each time I think 'EUREKA' it turns out I'm a confused as a three dollar bill!

I appreciate your patience and effort on this btw.
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