dhpackr
13 years ago

If people seriously have gotten to the point that they think the government owes them Viagra pills, we are worse off than I imagined.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Owes?? Its just crazy you can't comprehend these people pay taxes and work for their pay.

So, if a worker had MS, and needed botox shots to treat his symptoms, he should just piss off as well?
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dhpackr
13 years ago

Be thankful I have a pension to help me when I'm 65...67...whatever it'll be in 20 years... Pay low rates for health insurance, and when my claim for boner pills are denied do what any reasonable person would do and pay out of pocket. But hey, lawsuits fix everything.

"Porforis" wrote:



What pension, what low insurance rates??

Have you been in a cave?

The union made concessions. The rates are changing. This is a completely invalid argument.

You do not think a portion of viagra should be refunded?
So if you meet me Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

Owes?? Its just crazy you can't comprehend these people pay taxes and work for their pay.

"dhpackr" wrote:



Yes, owes. Or at least, that's your implication: They pay taxes, so they are entitled to Viagra.

Where did we get the idea that recreational sex is a right? If someone were trying to conceive and were unable to do so due to an erectile deficiency, then maybe I could see insurance paying for it. Maybe. But to force other policyholders to pay for a few guys to get their rocks off makes no sense to me whatsoever.

The funny thing is most of the guys who pop Viagra actually pass the postage stamp test . It's really more of a psychological than a physical problem.

Like I said before, if you can't get it up, get a new girl.
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dhpackr
13 years ago
I see, so your stance is Erectile dysfunction does not exist, it is not a medical condition.

is alcoholism a disease? drug dependency?
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Wow, do you have fun building straw men and then punching the poor guys down?
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Formo
13 years ago

all of us workers benefit from past union victories.

"IronMan" wrote:


Yes we do. But we don't need unions anymore. We don't need unions to fight for our right to get free Viagra. We don't need unions to fight for our right to drink on the job without getting fired. We don't need unions to back us up if we want to call in sick 30 times a year.

Liberals like protecting lazy people. Thats why they like unions. Unions are right up their alley. Like I said before, unions have outlived their usefullness.

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I love the union vs. non-union argument. UPS doesn't TOUCH the bennies that we get at FedEx. Guess which is union? I have a few friends that have worked at UPS and they have said how ridiculous it was working there. One of them tried for 2 years to get fired and didn't because of the union. He said it was unbelievable. He eventually just quit, instead.

I dunno.. I don't have anything against unions when they are in certain industries.. Like many manufacturing plants. I worked at a foundry, and just for health insurance it was over $1k/month for just my wife and I to be covered. Eventually we went with an HSA plan, but even then it was pretty spendy for the coverage (not the actual account). Having a union at that job probably would have been better for the employees.

Behind closed doors, the politics that go on with union companies vs. non-union companies it's pretty crazy. The company where my wife works out of, Honeywell, is a big union company. Because of that they do almost all of their shipping via UPS. She's overheard some of the managers talk about how they refuse to do any major shipping with FedEx because they aren't union. She couldn't believe it.

Anyway, I can see where being a union worker has it's benefits, but I'm certainly glad I don't work for a union company.

That said, I still don't feel sorry for state workers that are going to be affected by this. Especially teachers. While I feel they need to be paid more, they get some benefits that my wife and I certainly can't afford. My wife's sister is a teacher in Appleton (I think), and makes more than my wife does. She gets 3+ weeks off for holidays (spring and Christmas) and gets, what, 9+ weeks off in the summer? So yeah, it has it's advantages. Besides, one doesn't 'stumble' onto a teaching career without having prior knowledge of the pay. These people KNOW they are going to be underpaid.

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Porforis
13 years ago

I love the union vs. non-union argument. UPS doesn't TOUCH the bennies that we get at FedEx. Guess which is union? I have a few friends that have worked at UPS and they have said how ridiculous it was working there. One of them tried for 2 years to get fired and didn't because of the union. He said it was unbelievable. He eventually just quit, instead.

"Formo" wrote:



I also have former co-workers and a friend that worked at UPS. I can't speak for the way the unions worked because they never mentioned anything about it to me, I just know that they thought the place was a complete shithole.
longtimefan
13 years ago

I see, so your stance is Erectile dysfunction does not exist, it is not a medical condition.

is alcoholism a disease? drug dependency?

"dhpackr" wrote:




You just pick and choose what to see?

NSD said why should an insurance company pay for a man to get a hard on??

UNLESS he is trying to make a baby, then he really shouldnt ask insurance to pay for it

Now, dont take that statement from me to say I support NSD or I dont agree with not paying for the pills, or anything

Just pointing out what NSD said
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13 years ago
I have no problem with unions.

I have a serious problem with taxes.

If people want to combine to get more bargaining power, that's just fine with me. If once combined, they want to try to use that bargaining power to get bigger and bigger slices of the pie they share with their employers and their employers' customers, that's fine with me, too.

I don't think fighting over pies is a sound business model, but that's neither here nor there. What other people do with their pies is their choice to make, not mine. Union, no union, labor unrest, no labor unrest, blah blah blah. If people want to make their sandbox a war zone, fine with me. It's their sandbox.

What I object to is them fighting over a pie that neither of the sides pay for. I don't believe people are entitled to take tax dollars just because they want bigger slices of pie.

Oh, yes, since someone asked this, albeit rhetorically, I do favor tax cuts for "the rich". Their money is neither mine nor yours. We aren't entitled to it, any more than we're entitled to the money of the poor.

I'd rather be richer than I am. But just because people like Paris Hilton or Donald Trump or the last lottery winner lucked into having a crapload more wealth than me without "working" for it, doesn't mean I'm entitled to share their wealth.

If they want to spend their unearned wealth on trivial stuff, on hundred-dollar Italian underwear and silk toilet paper and solid gold doorknobs...well, that may be all sorts of disgusting to me. But its still their wealth.

And if they want to turn around and pay their employees minimum wage, well, yes, they're scumbags as well as frivolous twits.

But it is still their wealth. Not mine. Not yours.

Just because we're in the majority, and the rich scumbag frivolous twits are in the minority, doesn't make their wealth ours to take.

The problem is not that politicians cut taxes to the rich too much. The only problem is that there is not a politician alive who is willing to make big enough tax cuts.
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Formo
13 years ago

I have no problem with unions.

I have a serious problem with taxes.

If people want to combine to get more bargaining power, that's just fine with me. If once combined, they want to try to use that bargaining power to get bigger and bigger slices of the pie they share with their employers and their employers' customers, that's fine with me, too.

I don't think fighting over pies is a sound business model, but that's neither here nor there. What other people do with their pies is their choice to make, not mine. Union, no union, labor unrest, no labor unrest, blah blah blah. If people want to make their sandbox a war zone, fine with me. It's their sandbox.

What I object to is them fighting over a pie that neither of the sides pay for. I don't believe people are entitled to take tax dollars just because they want bigger slices of pie.

Oh, yes, since someone asked this, albeit rhetorically, I do favor tax cuts for "the rich". Their money is neither mine nor yours. We aren't entitled to it, any more than we're entitled to the money of the poor.

I'd rather be richer than I am. But just because people like Paris Hilton or Donald Trump or the last lottery winner lucked into having a crapload more wealth than me without "working" for it, doesn't mean I'm entitled to share their wealth.

If they want to spend their unearned wealth on trivial stuff, on hundred-dollar Italian underwear and silk toilet paper and solid gold doorknobs...well, that may be all sorts of disgusting to me. But its still their wealth.

And if they want to turn around and pay their employees minimum wage, well, yes, they're scumbags as well as frivolous twits.

But it is still their wealth. Not mine. Not yours.

Just because we're in the majority, and the rich scumbag frivolous twits are in the minority, doesn't make their wealth ours to take.

The problem is not that politicians cut taxes to the rich too much. The only problem is that there is not a politician alive who is willing to make big enough tax cuts.

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