Shame on the Angry Mob: Golden Tate’s Touchdown Was Legit· Page 3

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

10 years ago

And for the Madden Football crowd, we had 27 passing plays and only 3 running plays in the entire first half, scoring all of 0 points.

Originally Posted by: macbob

So, would running more times like Benson did in the final drive have helped them score in the first half?

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#22

So, would running more times like Benson did in the final drive have helped them score in the first half?

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister

Iirc,Lang came out and criticized the lack of running, stating that the DL was free to just "pin their ears back" and attack the QB.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

10 years ago

#23

Iirc,Lang came out and criticized the lack of running, stating that the DL was free to just "pin their ears back" and attack the QB.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Just choosing to run doesn't get any yards. You have to be able to actually run. And for that you need a RB that can run for more than -5 yards when you are trying to run out the clock.

Lang was absolutely right. The running game was awful. But giving the ball to Benson obviously wasn't the answer. Using the last drive of the Seattle game where we ran it 3 times for -3 yards and only because Kuhn got 2 as an example of running in spite of sucking at it.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

10 years ago

#24

And for the Madden Football crowd, we had 27 passing plays and only 3 running plays in the entire first half, scoring all of 0 points.

Originally Posted by: macbob

You could blame the sacks, you could blame the running game and you could blame the penalties.

At the rate they were gaining yards running the ball, taking 12 plays away from passing in exchange for 24 rushing yards may or may not have helped. I am going to lean towards not.

Running more in the second half was not the only adjustment they made.

In the first half they ran some "WCO running plays". Some of the running game falls under the passing plays category. The short dump off plays to the backs is a suplement to the running game and take its function in the West Coast Offense. For example, a shovel pass is counted as a pass, but is essentially a draw. The only difference is where the Back is when the QB tosses the ball. If he is behind the QB, it counts as a run. If he is not behind the QB, it counts as a pass. Even if it is the same play, the same kind of toss and the same function in the game.

It is designed to slow the pass rush down and get the ball to the backs in space so they can get the D reacting instead of attacking. Like a running play.

They probably did that because Benson was having so much trouble getting out of the backfield. And they had no one else.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

macbob
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#25

So, would running more times like Benson did in the final drive have helped them score in the first half?

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister

Our 5 drives in the first half all ended in punts and went for a combined total of 82 yards. COMBINED. And since our 3 runs in that half gained 24 yards that meant we had all of 58 yards passing at half time.

In the second half we had 4 drives for 214 yards total offense, with drives of 70, 66, and 81 (that one drive itself only 1 yard less than our TOTAL offense in the first half). Our 4 drives ended in 2 FGs and a TD before that final 3 & out in the last two minutes.

In the 3rd quarter, Benson ran the ball 10 times for 49 yards and we scored 6 points on the two drives. We took the lead in the 4th Qtr for the first time on the only TD we scored in the game, a 1 yard run by Benson.

Abandoning the run in the first half made us one-dimensional and allowed the Seattle D to concentrate on our passing game, resulting in 58 yards passing and 82 yards COMBINED total offense at half time. Only 60 of our 214 yards in the second half were on the ground, but running the ball opened up our passing game by forcing the Seattle D to honor the run.

So yes, I'd say running the ball more in the first half would have helped us score. It would have been hard to do worse.

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#26

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister

Maybe. But I thought Benson was pretty good at getting what was there.

The Niners have an elite Dline. But that doesn't mean they don't have to play. Yeah, maybe they can hold our guy to 3 ypc, but that doesn't mean they don't have to TRY to do so.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

10 years ago

#27

And for the Madden Football crowd, we had 27 passing plays and only 3 running plays in the entire first half, scoring all of 0 points.

Originally Posted by: macbob

I am not saying we shouldn't run. I am saying they couldn't.

The last drive had 3 runs and it wasn't any better than the first half. Choosing to run doesn't magically generate yards, first downs and points.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

10 years ago

#28

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

It was actually 2 per carry.

If we lined up and needed 3 yards to get a first down, score or run out the clock,

we couldn't get it.

We have won a couple games without much running. Like the super bowl, for example.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

10 years ago

#29

Originally Posted by: macbob

The 3 runs in the first half included a 20 yard run by Cobb. Leaving Benson with 2 per.

Whenever Benson got the ball, he got little or nothing. Including the dump off passes.

On the TD scoring drive, other than the TD run, Benson had 2 runs for -3 yards in the other 16 plays. You can give him credit for the TD run, but giving him any credit for the running game making being the difference is total BS.

You are saying the only adjustment they made in the second half was running the ball. Not in protecting Rodgers better.

Running in the 4th quarter didn't help us generated a critical first down. So you can say "if" all you want to conjecture how effective more running might have been. But when they really needed the yards, running DID let them down. No ifs about it.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#30

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister

Part of the running game is cumulative. You have to wear a defense down. Normally this comes with Time of Possession, if your coach is even concerned about that sort of thing.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

packerfanoutwest (7m) : having a great long snapper is gold

Zero2Cool (5h) : LaFleur looking like he had some weight. Coachin will do that lol

Zero2Cool (7h) : Thanks Mucky and whomever created topcos for each pick!

Zero2Cool (7h) : Insane about Kingsley

dfosterf (9h) : Putring it here so Mucky sees it. He was our guy!

dfosterf (10h) : Bowden long snapper Wisconsin. Consensus best LS in college.

dfosterf (10h) : We got Peter Bowde

dfosterf (10h) : I personally interpret that as a partial tear that can be recovered from with rehab

dfosterf (11h) : MLF said Kingsley Enagbare did NOT tear his ACL and did NOT require surgery, and that he is "looking good" for the 2024 season!

beast (21h) : T.O. son signs with the 49ers

Mucky Tundra (23h) : damn those vikings

beast (23h) : UDFA Vikings sign TE – Trey Knox, South Carolina

beast (23h) : Kitchen was all high from Miami, he was more lucky than talented in 2022 and it showed in 2023

beast (23h) : Reportedly Packers have UDFAs Jennings and Jones

beast (23h) : OL – Donovan Jennings, USF OT – Trente Jones, Michigan

TheKanataThrilla (23h) : Interesting draft. A bit shocked that we didn't select an early CB. Definitely have Safety help. Pretty happy overall.

dhazer (27-Apr) : wow the last 2 picks are really stupid and probably will be special teams players Top 10 draft pick next year book it

TheKanataThrilla (27-Apr) : I think he ended up with a terrible RAS score

dhazer (27-Apr) : Anyone know what went on with Kitchens from Florida? At 1 point he was to be the Packers 1st round and he is way down the board now

Martha Careful (27-Apr) : Z, could you please combine my thread with yours please. I obviously did not see it when I Created it

Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Re: 'Kool-Aid' McKinstry. Other than Icky Woods, has there ever been a good NFLer with a childish nickname?

Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Packers looking to trade up

Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Flag?

Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Sag?

Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : It rhymes with "bag."

beast (26-Apr) : Family? That's Deadpool's F word

Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : Not THAT f-word.

Zero2Cool (26-Apr) : fuck

beast (25-Apr) : 49ers are Cap Tight

beast (25-Apr) : Fuck

Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : Kanata, I will be when I'm on my lunch later

TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : Love you NSD

Nonstopdrivel (25-Apr) : Huh. I guess the F-word is censored in this fan shout.

Nonstopdrivel (25-Apr) : Anyone who doesn't hang out in the chat probably smokes pole.

TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : GoPackGo Thinking CB is the pick tonight

TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : Anyone hanging out in the chat tonight?

Zero2Cool (25-Apr) : whoa...49ers have had trade conversations about both Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk

Zero2Cool (25-Apr) : I hope they take a Punter at 9th overall. Be bold!

Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : I may end up eating those words but I think they need a lot more talent then their 4 picks can provide

Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : I really hope they stand pat and Draft a WR

Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : @DMRussini

Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : The Chicago Bears are very open for business at 9 and telling teams they are ready to move for the right price, per source

buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : Lions extend Penei Soul 4yrs - 112mil

buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : Lions extend St. Brown 4 years 120mil and

Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : Now look, trading up to 13 to take a TE might not seem like a good idea later but it will be later!

dfosterf (24-Apr) : (Your trade up mock post)

dfosterf (24-Apr) : Mucky- The only thing fun to watch would be me flipping the f out if Gute goes up to 13 and grabs Brock Bowers, lol

beast (24-Apr) : DT Byron Murphy II, Texas... whom some believe is the next Aaron Donald (or the closest thing to Donald)

Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : What? And who?

Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : *sad Mucky noises*

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2023 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM

Bears

38 - 20

Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM

Falcons

24 - 25

Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM

SAINTS

18 - 17

Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM

LIONS

20 - 34

Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM

Raiders

13 - 17

Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

17 - 19

Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

10 - 24

Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM

RAMS

20 - 3

Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM

Steelers

19 - 23

Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM

CHARGERS

23 - 20

Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM

Lions

29 - 22

Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM

CHIEFS

27 - 19

Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM

Giants

22 - 24

Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM

BUCCANEERS

20 - 34

Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM

Panthers

33 - 30

Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM

Vikings

33 - 10

Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM

BEARS

17 - 9

Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM

Cowboys

48 - 32

Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM

49ers

21 - 24